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The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
15 Dec 1999
Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is a genuine privilege to speak to the motion to approve the general principles of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill. This is a truly historic piece of legislation that will bring to an end 800 years of feudalism in Scotland. It will benefit the vast majori...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
Thank you very much, convener. It is a pleasure to be back before the European and External Relations Committee, which has a somewhat different constitution to that which it had when I had responsibility for Europe and external affairs. I introduce my officials Diane McLaffert...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
21 Nov 2002
Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill is the second part of the Executive's programme of property law reforms, following the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Act 2000. The bill complements and completes the process of feudal abolition and will provide Scotland with a m...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill
As was said when we discussed the last group of amendments, the bill is highly technical. It deals with complicated terms in the title deeds of property and uses detailed legal language. Despite that, the bill will be an important piece of legislation that has a striking impac...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
02 Nov 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 3
I have never yet come across a voluntary organisation that would not accept money, but those organisations believe that what they are in business to do would be substantially enhanced by the bill being passed, not by its being watered down or defeated.When the consultation was...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
31 Aug 1999
Evidence
Thank you, convener, and members of the committee.I welcome this opportunity to meet members of the Justice and Home Affairs Committee formally and to set out the policy framework within which ministers will tackle the wide range of justice issues that confront us.First, I und...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
03 May 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 1
I do not want to hear any more ill-informed comment. We have had enough of that and I do not want to waste more time correcting other mistakes.The law takes us only so far. For example, the European convention on human rights was incorporated into the Scotland Act 1998, but ot...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Committee
04 Dec 2001
EU Governance and the <br />Future of Europe
I congratulate Irene Oldfather on her elevation to the convenership of this committee. I look forward to having a constructive working relationship with her and all members of the committee.As Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice, I have always had an interest in Eur...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
06 Sep 2000
Scottish Executive Justice Department
I thank the convener and the committee for the invitation to this meeting of the Justice and Home Affairs Committee on, as it were, our first morning back—although it seems as if we have never been away. The letter of invitation suggested that I might want to indicate our main...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
28 Feb 2002
European Union Governance and the Future of Europe
There has been no specific response yet, but I indicated that the Commission has taken on board many of the points that the Scottish Executive and COSLA made to it. That is very much part of the debate. The debate on subsidiarity is important because, when the European Union a...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
09 Dec 1999
Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to move this motion to approve the general principles of the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Bill. The bill is a major piece of law reform. It has been particularly close to my heart since those campaigning for its introduction approached me more than 18 months ...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
20 Jan 2000
Family Law
In March last year, my colleague, Henry McLeish, issued a consultation paper called "Improving Scottish Family Law". I can announce today how we propose to take those matters forward. I will be following up this statement with a white paper in May, which will explain our concl...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Enterprise and Lifelong Learning (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
04 May 2005
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · State Aid (Reform)
We have been closely engaged with the United Kingdom Government to seek to improve on the Commission's proposals for regional aid post-2006 and to ensure that Scottish interests are reflected in the UK responses to the Commission. Full consideration will also be given to the C...
Mr Jim Wallace (Orkney) (LD): LD Chamber
03 May 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 1
It will come as no surprise to members that I support the general principles of Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill, as I was the person who published the two consultation papers that paved the way towards it. When I foresaw the need for a human rights commission, I wa...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
02 Nov 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 3
Roseanna Cunningham said:"The SNP wants a commission which would fulfil a wide range of functions. It should promote good practice, and public authorities and private bodies would be covered by human rights legislation."—Official Report, 2 March 2000; Vol 5, c 328, 333 and 318...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
14 Dec 2006
Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I do not accept that. Subsection (2)(a) of the new section that amendment 3 would insert would allow the complainer to take a case, and people cannot complain if the rights that are available are extended to complainers. I assume that in the vast majority of cases, the complai...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
I am grateful for that clarification. The second category in the Commission's proposals—competitiveness, which I said would provide about 18 per cent of the likely funding—is intended to replace the current objective 2 and objective 3 funding criteria. It would, therefore, dea...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
Yes, the situation with that is in even more flux than the situation with the structural funds. As yet, we do not have formal proposals from the Commission, although I think that they are imminent. We cannot be absolutely certain what the outcome will be; it is a question of t...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
I understand where that view comes from, but the same people probably also strongly supported the kind of partnership arrangement that we operate in Scotland, which Scottish ministers have nurtured, as did—to be fair—our predecessors in the Scottish Office. That partnership in...
Mr Jim Wallace (Orkney) (LD): LD Committee
22 Nov 2005
European Commission Work Programme 2006
When I met one of the commissioners this time last year, just as the new Commission was bedding in, I got the clear impression that it was intended that the hallmark of the new Commission would be consolidating and reinforcing what was there and that there did not need to be a...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
12 Sep 2006
Transposition and Implementation of European Directives Inquiry
Gordon Jackson's question is one that I have asked myself—I suppose that it is an example of one lawyer asking another, but it could also be described as a medical condition.I want to pick up on what Bruce Crawford and Phil Gallie have said. Phil Gallie referred to the transpo...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Committee
04 Dec 2001
EU Governance and the <br />Future of Europe
I reaffirm what Mr Canavan said at the outset. I believe that the Scottish Executive should take decisions when that is the most appropriate level for decision making. Although I think that the word "subsidiarity" is ugly, the principle that underlies it is important. In our s...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Committee
04 Dec 2001
EU Governance and the <br />Future of Europe
The white paper from the European Commission reflected that thread, which we included in our submission, and the opportunity for greater flexibility. We have until March 2002 to respond to the white paper. You will find that, in the white paper, the Commission says:"There shou...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
30 May 2001
Draft Freedom of Information Bill
My officials have been engaged in some discussions on that matter. An obvious example would be Braille. Obviously, we are alert to the issue and have tried to address it. There may well be existing statutory obligations that public authorities would be obliged to follow, but t...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
24 Feb 2000
Children (Physical Punishment)
The Executive has sought this debate today so that members of the Scottish Parliament may have an opportunity to express their views about the Executive's proposals for modernising the law on the physical punishment of children. Our proposals are set out in the consultation pa...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
02 Mar 2000
European Convention on Human Rights
I am grateful to Mr McLetchie for that question, because this is a case not of either/or but of both/and. There will be occasions where it is important—for example, on the appointment and use of temporary judges—to find out the position of the courts. However, as I said, if it...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
03 May 2000
Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
That is the case. The kind of circumstance that many people have criticised is when a superior emerges from nowhere and people have not previously heard of them. By having the 100 m rule, the chances are strong that the owner of the servient tenement will know the owner of the...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
08 Jun 2000
Diligence
I am glad to have this opportunity to bring members up to date with the Executive's plans for the law of diligence. Diligence is the Scots law term for the procedures that enable court orders in civil matters to be enforced, usually for the payment of money. A number of differ...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Chamber
24 Apr 2002
Freedom of Information (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The four Executive amendments in this group—amendments 12, 22, 28 and 36—address an issue to which the Parliament is right to give much attention and which my officials have discussed in detail with the Disability Rights Commission. The four amendments have the commission's su...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
21 Nov 2002
Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I knew that there would be disappointment.I will refer to some of the main issues that are highlighted in the report. When I gave evidence to the Justice 1 Committee, I indicated that we would be willing to reconsider some of the minor limits or time scales that are included i...
Mr Jim Wallace (Orkney) (LD): LD Chamber
19 Apr 2006
European Commission Work Programme 2006
The debate so far and the range of issues that have been raised have made clear the importance of the point that Linda Fabiani made in her opening remarks. In one way or another, much of the work of the Parliament is influenced by—and, we would hope, in turn influences—decisio...
Mr Jim Wallace (Orkney) (LD): LD Chamber
02 Nov 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 3
A human rights commission was not required in order for me, in September 2002, to announce the biggest-ever investment in refurbishing and building new prisons. That programme has been carried on and enhanced by Cathy Jamieson.Life was made difficult for me when I produced the...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
28 Sep 1999
Macpherson Report
Police authorities comprise elected members. At the moment, they are inspected by the Accounts Commission. Mr McMahon is right to say that there is no proposal to extend the role of the inspectorate to cover police authorities. Police authorities set budgets using public money...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
As the committee will be aware, objective 3 funding currently allows us to develop a number of programmes to promote employability and to develop skills and training. The skills agenda is identified in "A Smart, Successful Scotland" as being a key pillar in improving economic ...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
As far as the future is concerned, the NUTS II regions are there and I am not aware of any plans to revise them. That would have to be done at a UK level—we have no opportunity to revise them ourselves. I think that I am right in saying that RSA can be altered at ward boundary...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
There is no doubt that the promotion of cohesion is one of the principles that underlie structural funds. The Lisbon agenda sought to drive forward economic growth and employability within the Community as a whole, but the Community that we are looking forward to is much wider...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Mar 2004
Regional Development Funding Inquiry
I could give you a detailed list of some of the ways in which we have been engaging with the DTI and with Europe. To give a more general answer, officials in my department are members of the UK steering group, which meets quarterly. Its next meeting is next week, when it will ...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
22 Nov 2005
European Commission Work Programme 2006
I am grateful that you mentioned the proposals on public procurement, because I was going to come on to that. I certainly welcome the focus on ensuring the proper implementation of the rules. It is a healthy sign if that is the trend.You will be aware that there has been consi...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
09 May 2006
Work Programme
It is clear from the clerk's paper that, as Phil Gallie pointed out, the danger is that we will have an inquiry that is so wide that we become the energy committee rather than the European and External Relations Committee. I was particularly brought up short when I read the su...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
09 May 2006
European Commission Work Programme 2006
Following my reference to JESSICA and JEREMIE—joint European support for sustainable investment in city areas and joint European resources for micro to medium enterprises—in the parliamentary debate on the European Commission work programme a couple of weeks ago, George Lyon h...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
21 Nov 2006
European Commission Work Programme 2006
I hear what Phil Gallie is saying, but my understanding is that the United Kingdom is complying with a proposed directive. We are not talking about European law. The European Union cannot be blamed for imposing something on us that has already been done off our Westminster par...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
19 Dec 2006
European Commission Growth and Jobs Strategy Inquiry
In one of our evidence sessions, the National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts—NESTA—highlighted a recent report on hidden innovation. Basically, the contention was that traditional R and D measures do not reflect the reality of the UK economy and that insufficie...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
19 Dec 2006
European Commission Growth and Jobs Strategy Inquiry
What is being done within Scotland to ensure that there is awareness of FP7 and that we maximise the opportunities that arise from it? What initiatives are under way? John Ireland's point about innovation in R and D in the financial services sector reflects the evidence that w...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Jan 2007
Transposition and Implementation of European Directives Inquiry
One of the suggestions was that a directive could sometimes be implemented by guidance or codes of practice. Would I be right in thinking that there is an increasing tendency for the Commission to look to more formal legislation, be it primary or subordinate legislation, or is...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
16 Jan 2007
Transposition and Implementation of European Directives Inquiry
The Commission proposes a 25 per cent cut in the administrative burden by 2021. The cut would be made jointly with member states. It is yet to be formally adopted, but how would it work in practice? What sort of things is the Commission looking for?
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
13 Feb 2007
Transposition and Implementation of European Directives Inquiry
It has emerged from the work that I have done as the reporter and the work that the committee has done that there are three stages in the process: the pre-legislative stage at the European level, the stage at which a European directive is transposed, and the monitoring and enf...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Committee
26 Mar 2002
Executive Objectives <br />and Priorities
The convention is a moveable feast—that is probably not the right way of putting it, but I am sure that it will have a dynamic. There will be opportunities for questions and occasions on which the committee can air matters. We also want to make what could be described as a sub...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD Committee
26 Mar 2002
Executive Objectives <br />and Priorities
That article raised a few eyebrows, not least because it does not actually represent what has been the practice for some considerable time. Even in pre-devolution days, there were direct links between Scottish ministers and officials and their European Commission counterparts,...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
05 Mar 2002
Freedom of Information (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I share Donald Gorrie's view of the importance of the commissioner being independent. However, I do not for a moment believe that anything in section 45 undermines that independence.As Donald Gorrie started by talking about amendment 83, I will do the same. I was intrigued to ...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Committee
01 Oct 2002
Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Fortunately, people keep track of the committee's proceedings, and I was aware of Professor Paisley's comments.Professor Paisley doubted that the Executive's proposal would work for two reasons. First, section 32 of the Conveyancing (Scotland) Act 1874 does not permit the crea...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
31 Aug 1999
Evidence
The Minister for Health and Community Care, Susan Deacon, has already asked the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland to investigate the particular circumstances of this case—including the treatment regime applicable to Noel Ruddle at Carstairs. That was a prompt response. Th...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
31 Aug 1999
Evidence
I cannot give members a date. I am aware that the Law Commission has proposed a whole raft of legislation; there will be other matters to consider that fall within the responsibility of the Scottish Executive justice department. All members will recognise—and possibly in six o...
Mr Wallace: LD Committee
06 Sep 2000
Scottish Executive Justice Department
I am glad that Michael Matheson welcomes the investment to be made in Polmont. It is accepted that Polmont should continue to be the main site for young offenders. I would find it impossible to answer detailed questions on that scheme without getting more information.I visited...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
02 Sep 1999
Mental Health (Public Safety and Appeals) (Scotland) Bill
On 2 August, Sheriff Douglas Allan reached a decision in Lanark sheriff court on an appeal under sections 63 and 64 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984 that led to the absolute discharge of Noel Ruddle. That decision exposed a serious flaw in the 1984 act. Until 2 August,...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
08 Sep 1999
Mental Health (Public Safety and Appeals) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The sheriff has to decide whether the patient is suffering from a mental disorder, and then decide—and this is the loophole that we are trying to close with the legislation—whether the person poses a threat of serious harm to the public. The person must continue to be detained...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
11 Nov 1999
Temporary Sheriffs
I wish to make a statement about the decision issued this morning by the justiciary appeal court in Edinburgh. During a criminal trial in Linlithgow sheriff court this year, counsel for the defence challenged the right of the procurator fiscal to take a prosecution before temp...
The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD Chamber
11 Nov 1999
Subordinate Legislation
The order which we are considering today is the legislative vehicle for increasing the maximum number of judges who serve in Scotland's supreme courts. Prior to today's debate, members were provided with a brief note on the background to the order. I hope that that was helpful...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
09 Dec 1999
Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Malcolm Chisholm is talking about situations in which there is a conflict of opinion between the doctor and the guardian on a proposed course of action. We have tried to create a balance, which no one pretends is easy to strike. We have allowed a second medical opinion, to ens...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
03 May 2000
Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The first thing that I did was to acknowledge that; I was simply considering an extreme example. Even if we were to retain the feudal system, or even if we were to retain the ultimate superiority of the Crown—and I repeat the point that no one has yet come up with any specific...
Mr Wallace: LD Chamber
03 May 2000
Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I do not yet have the Law Commission report. The matters to which I have referred have been raised as part of the consultation. I cannot predict whether differentiation between urban and rural areas will be covered expressly. The further period of consultation that the Executi...
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Chamber

Plenary, 15 Dec 1999

15 Dec 1999 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is a genuine privilege to speak to the motion to approve the general principles of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill. This is a truly historic piece of legislation that will bring to an end 800 years of feudalism in Scotland. It will benefit the vast majority of people who think of themselves as owner-occupiers in Scotland but whose homes are in reality held subject to the rights of one or more feudal superiors.

This is the kind of detailed law reform that would have been delayed for years waiting for a legislative slot at Westminster, but is ideally suited for consideration by this Parliament. I am therefore delighted that it is one of the first major pieces of legislation to be discussed by MSPs.

I would like to express the Executive's thanks to the various committees of Parliament that have played a part in the progress of the bill to date. The Finance Committee carefully scrutinised the bill, fulfilling its important duty. The Subordinate Legislation Committee played its role in examining the provisions for subordinate legislation. It is a tribute to that committee's care in that task that the Executive has accepted two of the points it made; we will introduce amendments to that effect during stage 2.

We all know of the very heavy load that the Justice and Home Affairs Committee has been labouring under. Only last week we considered another bill on which it has produced a report. Despite that, the committee has produced a most thorough and thoughtful stage 1 report on this bill. I congratulate the convener and the members of the committee on their excellent work. Subject to the approval of members, I look forward to working with them when we move on to detailed consideration of the bill at stage 2.

The Justice and Home Affairs Committee asked me for clarification on a specific point. In our policy memorandum, we said that the bill would have no effect on sustainable development. I understand that the committee received representations to the effect that a bill that affects land ownership must inevitably have some effect on sustainable development. The committee suggested that the Executive might be using a definition of sustainable development that is different from that used by those from whom it heard evidence.

There are a number of definitions of sustainable development. Perhaps the best way I can put it is that sustainable development is about economic growth, social development and environmental protection. I can certainly see that the ownership of land might have some impact on all of those matters, but the reform of the feudal system will not change who owns the land, nor can it be expected to alter the pattern of land ownership. It is a technical and legal matter that affects the way in which people own their property.

I should like to take this opportunity to pay

tribute to the work of the Scottish Law Commission and to its document, "Report on Abolition of the Feudal System", which forms the basis of this bill. The commission deserves our thanks for its care and diligence in formulating its proposals. As the committees that have studied the feudal system will readily appreciate—and will, no doubt, appreciate more as we go through stage 2 of the bill—this is a complex subject. The commission had to take the views of a wide range of often conflicting interests as well as assess the state of statutory and common law running back to medieval times.

The commission's main recommendation was that the feudal system should be abolished and replaced by a system of simple ownership of land. The bill would implement that simple recommendation, which I personally commend to members, as such a system already exists in relation to certain allodial land in Scotland. Udal land in Orkney and Shetland is held outright, with no feudal superiors. It gives me particular pleasure to introduce a bill that extends to the rest of Scotland the freedoms that my constituents have enjoyed for centuries.

The bill is divided into seven parts. Part 1 contains the major provisions abolishing the feudal system. Section 1 has a huge resonance:

"The feudal system of land tenure, that is to say the entire system whereby land is held by a vassal on perpetual tenure from a superior is, on the appointed day, abolished."

Scotland has waited an awful long time to hear that sentence.

Feudal tenure is, of course, the technical and legal way in which many of us own our property. The documents that prove that we own our houses are often feudal deeds. They have to be registered so that there is a public record of who owns what and of exactly what they own and what the limits of their ownership are. Part 2 relates to the transfer of ownership and registration of deeds, and is not intended to change the substance of the law. It makes provision to continue the law in a post-feudal context.

Perhaps the best known aspect of the feudal system is the feuduty. Most members probably recall the annual payment of small and rather peculiar sums of money each year to our feudal superiors. The majority of them have disappeared because, from 1974, the feuduty has been redeemed on the sale of most property. However, some properties have not changed hands during the past 25 years and the owner has not voluntarily redeemed the feuduty.

Part 3 would abolish all remaining feuduties. It also provides that if the superior claims compensation for their extinction, it will be paid by the vassal on the same basis as the redemption of feuduty under the Land Tenure Reform (Scotland) Act 1974. The Scottish Law Commission estimates that only 10 per cent of feuduties are left and we suspect that most of those will be apportionments of larger feuduties that have been informally imposed on tenement flats and did not have to be redeemed on sale. The feuduties involved will be small: perhaps £2 to £5 per flat. When the compensation exceeds £100, the bill provides for payment by instalments. The Justice and Home Affairs Committee referred in its report to possible amendments to the compensation provisions, which we will be happy to consider during the stage 2 debates.

Part 4 deals with real burdens, which is one of the most perplexing features of the feudal system. While real burdens can be oppressive, they can also be beneficial and helpful. I will return later to the issue of real burdens, because it is an important and, I accept, somewhat complicated matter.

The next two parts of the bill deal with a variety of subjects. Part 5 covers the subject of entails, which are to be abolished. Part 6 is a miscellaneous part, which deals with a number of matters, including various archaic methods of holding land and the extinction of other payments that are akin to feuduty. I may confess to a certain sadness in abolishing the charming concept of the kindly tenancies of Lochmaben but, along with other anachronisms, they will have to go.

We are also taking the opportunity in this part of the bill of abolishing any remaining feudal privileges attaching to a baronial title. I draw the Parliament's attention to section 51 which, by abolishing rights of irritancy, removes the right of superiors, in certain circumstances, to evict vassals who are in breach of feudal conditions.

Part 7 deals with technical matters such as the appointed day on which the feudal system will finally be abolished. I will return later to the matter of the appointed day, which has given rise to some interest in the Justice and Home Affairs Committee. As well as prescribing several forms that are to be used in the various processes of registration, the schedules repeal many obsolete acts or parts of acts. The bill plays an important role in modernising and cleansing property law.

It might be helpful to give a short explanation of the way in which the feudal system has operated in Scotland and the way in which it operates at present, as there are widespread misconceptions concerning what it means. The feudal system is nothing to do with leasing, and the feudal superior should not be confused with a landlord. A person who owns land under a feudal disposition owns it in law. However, he or she does so as the vassal of a feudal superior who retains an interest in the

land in the form of a right to feuduty and a right to enforce conditions on its use.

With the phasing out of feuduties, the main use of the feudal system is to allow the imposition and enforcement of conditions on property, which are otherwise known as feudal real burdens. A vassal who wants to breach a burden will normally have to obtain the superior's consent. Often, the superior will grant consent only in exchange for payment. A typical modern example of that might be when the vassal wants to build a greenhouse or a garage. Real burdens can give superiors the opportunity to charge fees for waivers. The superior can say, "Yes, you can build your garage, but only if you pay me a fee." Some speculators have acquired superiority interests with the specific intention of deriving an income from waivers. That practice has been strongly criticised.

However, there are two sides to real burdens. Real burdens are often used to ensure that property is kept in good repair, to prevent nuisance and to safeguard the rights of neighbours. The Scottish Law Commission has therefore given careful thought to which burdens should be abolished and which should be retained. It has also thought carefully about the arrangements that will need to be made to retain burdens, which is a matter to which I shall return. The commission has recommended that it should be possible to retain four types of burden. I do not want to say much in detail about those, as they are set out in detail in our policy memorandum.

Broadly, the four types are as follows. First, maritime burdens are burdens that relate to important facilities such as piers and harbours. They will be saved by the bill. Secondly, common facility burdens are burdens that, as the name suggests, relate to a common facility on one property which benefits another property or set of properties. They might be concerned with a private access road or the common passages in a block of flats. Such burdens will also be saved, but the superior will lose the right to enforce them; they will pass to the properties that benefit from the burden.

Thirdly, conservation burdens exist where a burden preserves for the benefit of the public the architectural, historical or other special characteristics of land or buildings. An example would be an historic building that is restored by a conservation trust and feu'd subject to burdens that are designed to preserve the restoration work.

Finally, there is the neighbour burden. Under section 17, superiors may retain the right to enforce certain burdens on neighbouring land. The most common example of that will occur when the superior owns neighbouring land that contains a building of human habitation or resort within 100 m of the land that is affected by the burden. The bill would, for example, allow the superior to continue to preserve a view from his home. The commission recognised that the 100 m rule was arbitrary but considered that the line had to be drawn somewhere.

In reaching policy decisions on the bill, we were concerned that the provisions for saving neighbour burdens did not go far enough. For example, the superior may own land but not yet have built on it. He or she may be planning to build a retirement home and might want to preserve the open aspect of the site. The Executive has therefore decided to give the superior an opportunity to reach agreement with the vassal on which burdens can be saved. As a last resort, the superior can take the matter to the Lands Tribunal for Scotland. The superior will, however, have to satisfy the tribunal that his property would suffer substantial loss or disadvantage if the burden was lost.

There is a fifth category that I want to mention. Although the bill does not propose that they be saved, it provides a compensation package for the loss of development value real burdens—burdens that have been deliberately used to reserve development value for the superior where land has been sold at a discount.

When the bill was referred to the Justice and Home Affairs Committee, I made it clear that there would be scope for reviewing whether those would be the only categories of burden that should be retained. We have received some representations from commercial interests that the bill may not do enough to protect the interests of commercial developers. It is clearly important that we get that aspect of our proposals right; we all want to ensure that nothing is done to discourage commercial investors from investing in Scotland.

The commission has received representations from commercial interests in connection with its current review of real burdens. It is right that I should emphasise at this stage that we will continue to monitor carefully whether what the bill proposes in this matter covers adequately all the burdens that need to be saved.

Another issue that will be familiar to members and the Justice and Home Affairs Committee—it has been raised by those interested in commercial transactions—is the proposed limit of 125 years on long leases. I want to assure the Parliament that we do not have a closed mind on that figure or, generally, on the detailed numbers and quantities that are prescribed in the bill. We fully expect those figures and any suggested alternatives to be properly and fully debated in committee at stage 2.

I turn now to the associated subject of the future of real burdens after the feudal system is abolished and to the package of property reforms that we will present to the Parliament over the next

few years. It is important to take some time over that, because the Justice and Home Affairs Committee sought clarification on, and referred to, it in its stage 1 report.

When I announced in June that we would introduce this bill, I explained that it would be very closely related to the report on real burdens that the Law Commission is preparing. I said that part of the feudal bill would be commenced at the same time as the bill on real burdens. The Justice and Home Affairs Committee has—with some justification—said that it had some difficulty dealing with one part of the package when it could not see the rest. However, there are good reasons for dealing with the matter in this way.

Not all burdens in Scotland are imposed through feudal deeds; many are set out in ordinary, non- feudal deeds of conditions and dispositions. Those burdens will not be affected by the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill. During its consideration of feudal real burdens, the Scottish Law Commission readily recognised that the general law of real burdens and conditions on property also required modernisation and simplification. It carried out work on the subject and issued a discussion paper in October 1998.

The Executive is committed to introducing a second bill to implement the recommendations in that report. The subject has two corresponding halves. The Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill will abolish many feudal burdens but allow some to be saved and converted into ordinary real burdens. The title conditions bill—as it is to be known—will then introduce a new and modern system for all burdens or conditions on land. Taken together, the two bills will effect a radical reform of this area of Scots law. Obviously, it would have been easier for us all if we could have seen both bills together, but there are reasons why we did not want to hold up the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill.

I said that I would say more about the date of abolition of the feudal system. As I have explained, superiors will be given the opportunity to register notices if they wish to preserve certain burdens. They will also be given the opportunity to register notices if they wish to claim compensation for feuduty and the loss of development value burdens. If they wish to claim compensation for feuduty, they will have to prepare notices to be served. That will, inevitably, take time.

Superiors will have to identify the cases in which they want to preserve burdens or claim compensation. They will then have to go through the mechanics of registration. The length of the transitional period is a matter of some concern. The commission recommended no less than two years. We took the view that if we were to wait for the publication of the title conditions bill, we would postpone the date on which the transitional period could start and, therefore, the date on which the feudal system would finally be abolished. That is why we have proceeded now with the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill.

Considering one bill in advance of a sight of the other might not be ideal, but it is possible that the title conditions bill will have to amend the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill. There may need to be further consideration of how the two bills are linked, and the commencement dates may need to be re-examined. I assure Parliament that we will not commence any aspect of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill until we are certain that the time is right to do so. As we proceed through stage 2, we will keep the committee in touch with Law Commission developments.

The Executive is aware that the bill requires some further amendment during its passage, but much of that will be largely technical—I do not think members will wish to be troubled with that at this stage.

For the purposes of rule 9.11 of standing orders, I advise the Parliament that Her Majesty and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales as Prince and Steward of Scotland, have been informed of the purport of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill, and have consented to place their prerogatives and interests, so far as they are affected by the bill, at the disposal of the Parliament for the purposes of the bill.

I know that these matters have sounded very technical. They are technical, but at the heart of them is a very simple proposition: after centuries, we are moving towards the abolition of the feudal system. Today's debate marks an important milestone on that journey.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Bill.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
The first item of business is motion S1M-214, in the name of Jim Wallace.
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP): SNP
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The Presiding Officer: NPA
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Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP
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The Presiding Officer: NPA
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The Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice (Mr Jim Wallace): LD
It is a genuine privilege to speak to the motion to approve the general principles of the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc (Scotland) Bill. This is a truly his...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
During the open debate, there will be the usual four-minute time limit. It was reported to me during the lunch break that while the two deputies were in the ...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP): SNP
It is with a distinct sense of déjà vu that I stand here. Some of my comments today will be similar to those that I made last week. The bill was the second m...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD
Will Roseanna Cunningham tell us where that counsel's opinion came from?
Roseanna Cunningham: SNP
The instruction was by Scottish Environment LINK. Other points of detail emerged that were more or less undecided—I was going to say controversial, but that ...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
There is a welcome throughout the chamber for the bill, which seeks to sweep away an archaic and largely symbolic form of land tenure and replace it with a m...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab
It is almost beyond belief that in this day and age we still have laws that refer to vassals and superiors. Throughout the years we have had some attempts at...
David McLetchie (Lothians) (Con): Con
Following her remarks about exploitative superiors, will the member condemn the actions of those Labour councils that exploit citizens by demanding payments ...
Pauline McNeill: Lab
No, I will not. It is not right for people to be unaware that feudal superiors might be lurking in the background. We will abolish that sort of secrecy when ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Patricia Ferguson): Lab
Before moving to the open part of the debate, I remind members that if they wish to speak, they should indicate it by pressing the request-to-speak button. T...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I will deal with two areas: compensation and the issue of the Crown. I would like to address sections 7 to 12, particularly the issue of compensatory payment...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
I make no apologies for pursuing points that have already been raised by Roseanna Cunningham and expanded on by Christine Grahame. I welcome the fact that th...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab
I am grateful for this opportunity both to listen to the contributions of my colleagues and to say a few words myself. Listening to some of the more complex ...
Mr Jim Wallace: LD
As the Parliament knows, Mr Adam Ingram has indicated a willingness to bring forward a members' bill on the issue and the Executive is willing to co-operate ...
Karen Gillon: Lab
I thank the minister for his reply, which will be of great interest to the people who have been affected in my constituency and throughout Scotland. There is...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
I am particularly grateful to all the witnesses who gave their time to present evidence to the Justice and Home Affairs Committee. That evidence helped me to...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD
I should perhaps declare an interest, in case it is relevant. I am an associate of Ross Harper & Murphy and a member of the Law Society of Scotland. There is...
Mrs Lyndsay McIntosh (Central Scotland) (Con): Con
At the risk of ending up in your little black book, Presiding Officer, you will forgive me if I race through this speech. I thank the Scottish Executive for ...
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP): SNP
Is preserving the countryside's identity not why we have local councils and planning committees?
Mrs McIntosh: Con
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Allan Wilson (Cunninghame North) (Lab): Lab
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Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
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Pauline McNeill: Lab
On a point of order.
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I have finished my speech.
Pauline McNeill: Lab
I hoped that Fiona Hyslop would get to the point and wondered when she would mention feudal tenure. I seek your ruling, Presiding Officer, on whether her spe...