Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 13 May 2010
13 May 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Crofting Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Let me begin by thanking the crofters and other individuals who, over the past weeks, months and indeed years, have taken the time and trouble to speak to me about the Crofting Reform (Scotland) Bill.
As John Farquhar Munro mentioned, when the previous crofting bill was before the Parliament, both he and I—and, indeed, others—gave stark warnings about what we saw as the limitations in those legislative proposals. That led to our receiving a favourable mention in Brian Wilson’s organ—something that had never happened before and might never happen again. Like John Farquhar Munro and other representatives for the Highlands and Islands, I have taken an extremely close interest in the bill as it will have a direct impact and effect on my constituents, who live in some of the most remote areas with the most fragile economies.
In winding up on behalf of the Liberal Democrats, let me take the opportunity to comment on some of the speeches that we have heard. First, I believe that the minister used the correct expression when she said that crofting is a model for sustainable rural development. She also introduced the point that registration must be a requirement if it is to work and she mentioned the issue of absenteeism.
Sarah Boyack said, as I have also said, that crofting is a way of life in the Highlands and Islands. Quite correctly, she listed crofting’s many benefits, to which I would add its contribution to tourism. Where a crofting township—Rogart in Sutherland is a good example—has crofts that are worked and that contribute to the local economy, they provide an attractive feature for tourists. We should never forget that point, as it is hugely important, particularly in the most remote areas. In highlighting the financial support systems that underpin crofting, Sarah Boyack also touched on—this rang a huge bell with all of us from the Highlands—crofting’s place within the totality of the economy, to which is connected the issue of fuel costs. As I and others have said many times in previous debates, the fact is that the cost of motor fuel has a big impact on crofting in the Highlands.
A final point that Sarah Boyack mentioned was the balanced nature of the issue. As far as I am concerned, the issue is quite finely cast, so I reserve the right—as John Farquhar Munro and others have said—to vote the bill down. For that reason, we in the Liberal Democrats, like Peter Peacock, will support the amendment. That will provide the bill with life support, but my colleague Liam McArthur has made it clear that some surgery on the bill will be necessary. If we feel that we have ended up with something that is inappropriate or a beast that will not work, we reserve the right to vote down the bill at stage 3. It is a fine balance.
Maureen Watt, quite correctly, gave an overview of the committee’s consideration of the bill. She made a plea for the bill to proceed to stage 2, but nothing in Sarah Boyack’s amendment would prevent the bill from going to the next stage, during which it will be scrutinised very closely indeed. She also mentioned the provisions for a map-based register.
John Scott told us that he is supportive of the thrust of the bill. He argued for a first-past-the-post system instead of AV, with one vote per croft. He also highlighted the issue of the choice of the commission’s chairman. He made the point that the sustainability of the community in which the croft is located is crucial. That is linked to Sarah Boyack’s point, which I have emphasised also takes in the issue of fuel duty.
My colleague Liam McArthur talked about the differences in crofting areas, and he is absolutely correct. I think of the crofting in Strath Halladale in Sutherland, where a lot of people have double incomes from crofting and being employed at Dounreay. As Dounreay runs down, that will impinge on crofting in a way that is quite different from the situation in Wester Ross in John Farquhar Munro’s constituency or even in Orkney. That is an important point, which should be remembered.
I associate myself with Liam McArthur’s suggestion that the commissioners should be able to elect their own chair. That would be profoundly sensible.
Alasdair Allan correctly reminded us about how far we have come since the draft bill. The beast that we see before us today is markedly different from the draft bill, and that is to be welcomed.
Peter Peacock correctly reminded us of the delicacy with which we should see and evaluate absenteeism and how we should address it. We have more work to do on that.
It might be a little too late to say this, but many of us were apprehensive about taking away the development function from the commission and giving it to Highlands and Islands Enterprise, because of the cutbacks to HIE’s budget and staffing reductions. We felt that we could not exactly be confident that the money stream would be directed or controlled as well as it might be. However, I accept that we are where we are, and it is unfortunate.
I go back to the many representations that I have received from individuals and crofters about the register. Peter Peacock, too, expressed the real reservations that exist. I am prepared for members to argue against me, but it is my considered opinion that a lot more must be done to convince crofters that it is a viable idea. The extra financial burdens that are being imposed on them are extremely unwelcome, and it probably cannot be done in the most fragile economies where so many crofters are. There is awareness of the register and mapping and I acknowledge the robust defence of the need for it by Rob Gibson and other colleagues, but we have a long way to go to take crofters and people who are involved in crofting with us.
Elaine Murray was interesting, especially in talking about the wider financing of the commission. A point was made about the definition of the distance from the croft. Someone—I forget which member; perhaps it was Jamie McGrigor—said that it depends on where one is. Things will be different in Strath Halladale, Wester Ross or Skye, and it depends on the nature of the local economy and the location of supporting employment.
I will conclude with two points, if I have time. First, and on a personal level, I am grateful to Peter Peacock for his kind remarks about seeing John Farquhar Munro back with us. He is a colleague and a personal friend, and he is the most real crofter in the Parliament. His opinions are hugely important so, when he counsels caution, we should listen.
As John Farquhar Munro mentioned, when the previous crofting bill was before the Parliament, both he and I—and, indeed, others—gave stark warnings about what we saw as the limitations in those legislative proposals. That led to our receiving a favourable mention in Brian Wilson’s organ—something that had never happened before and might never happen again. Like John Farquhar Munro and other representatives for the Highlands and Islands, I have taken an extremely close interest in the bill as it will have a direct impact and effect on my constituents, who live in some of the most remote areas with the most fragile economies.
In winding up on behalf of the Liberal Democrats, let me take the opportunity to comment on some of the speeches that we have heard. First, I believe that the minister used the correct expression when she said that crofting is a model for sustainable rural development. She also introduced the point that registration must be a requirement if it is to work and she mentioned the issue of absenteeism.
Sarah Boyack said, as I have also said, that crofting is a way of life in the Highlands and Islands. Quite correctly, she listed crofting’s many benefits, to which I would add its contribution to tourism. Where a crofting township—Rogart in Sutherland is a good example—has crofts that are worked and that contribute to the local economy, they provide an attractive feature for tourists. We should never forget that point, as it is hugely important, particularly in the most remote areas. In highlighting the financial support systems that underpin crofting, Sarah Boyack also touched on—this rang a huge bell with all of us from the Highlands—crofting’s place within the totality of the economy, to which is connected the issue of fuel costs. As I and others have said many times in previous debates, the fact is that the cost of motor fuel has a big impact on crofting in the Highlands.
A final point that Sarah Boyack mentioned was the balanced nature of the issue. As far as I am concerned, the issue is quite finely cast, so I reserve the right—as John Farquhar Munro and others have said—to vote the bill down. For that reason, we in the Liberal Democrats, like Peter Peacock, will support the amendment. That will provide the bill with life support, but my colleague Liam McArthur has made it clear that some surgery on the bill will be necessary. If we feel that we have ended up with something that is inappropriate or a beast that will not work, we reserve the right to vote down the bill at stage 3. It is a fine balance.
Maureen Watt, quite correctly, gave an overview of the committee’s consideration of the bill. She made a plea for the bill to proceed to stage 2, but nothing in Sarah Boyack’s amendment would prevent the bill from going to the next stage, during which it will be scrutinised very closely indeed. She also mentioned the provisions for a map-based register.
John Scott told us that he is supportive of the thrust of the bill. He argued for a first-past-the-post system instead of AV, with one vote per croft. He also highlighted the issue of the choice of the commission’s chairman. He made the point that the sustainability of the community in which the croft is located is crucial. That is linked to Sarah Boyack’s point, which I have emphasised also takes in the issue of fuel duty.
My colleague Liam McArthur talked about the differences in crofting areas, and he is absolutely correct. I think of the crofting in Strath Halladale in Sutherland, where a lot of people have double incomes from crofting and being employed at Dounreay. As Dounreay runs down, that will impinge on crofting in a way that is quite different from the situation in Wester Ross in John Farquhar Munro’s constituency or even in Orkney. That is an important point, which should be remembered.
I associate myself with Liam McArthur’s suggestion that the commissioners should be able to elect their own chair. That would be profoundly sensible.
Alasdair Allan correctly reminded us about how far we have come since the draft bill. The beast that we see before us today is markedly different from the draft bill, and that is to be welcomed.
Peter Peacock correctly reminded us of the delicacy with which we should see and evaluate absenteeism and how we should address it. We have more work to do on that.
It might be a little too late to say this, but many of us were apprehensive about taking away the development function from the commission and giving it to Highlands and Islands Enterprise, because of the cutbacks to HIE’s budget and staffing reductions. We felt that we could not exactly be confident that the money stream would be directed or controlled as well as it might be. However, I accept that we are where we are, and it is unfortunate.
I go back to the many representations that I have received from individuals and crofters about the register. Peter Peacock, too, expressed the real reservations that exist. I am prepared for members to argue against me, but it is my considered opinion that a lot more must be done to convince crofters that it is a viable idea. The extra financial burdens that are being imposed on them are extremely unwelcome, and it probably cannot be done in the most fragile economies where so many crofters are. There is awareness of the register and mapping and I acknowledge the robust defence of the need for it by Rob Gibson and other colleagues, but we have a long way to go to take crofters and people who are involved in crofting with us.
Elaine Murray was interesting, especially in talking about the wider financing of the commission. A point was made about the definition of the distance from the croft. Someone—I forget which member; perhaps it was Jamie McGrigor—said that it depends on where one is. Things will be different in Strath Halladale, Wester Ross or Skye, and it depends on the nature of the local economy and the location of supporting employment.
I will conclude with two points, if I have time. First, and on a personal level, I am grateful to Peter Peacock for his kind remarks about seeing John Farquhar Munro back with us. He is a colleague and a personal friend, and he is the most real crofter in the Parliament. His opinions are hugely important so, when he counsels caution, we should listen.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
Good morning. The first item of business is a debate on motion S3M-6266, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on the Crofting Reform (Scotland) Bill. We have ...
The Minister for Environment (Roseanna Cunningham)
SNP
As most people know, crofting often invokes tales of the past. Nobody can deny the role of the crofting acts in bringing greater justice for tenants in the 1...
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab)
Lab
Labour very much welcomes the chance to secure improvements to the lives of crofters and our crofting communities. We believe that crofting remains a signifi...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con)
Con
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack
Lab
No, I need to get on.Many of us have been on the case on crofting for some time, and we know that there is scope to improve matters. There has not been much ...
Maureen Watt (North East Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
The process of considering the Crofting Reform (Scotland) Bill and agreeing a stage 1 report on it was not straightforward. I make it clear at the outset tha...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con)
Con
As ever, I begin by declaring an interest as a farmer, although not one who is in any way affected by crofting or the bill.That crofting is an island surroun...
Sarah Boyack
Lab
More on that later. Laughter.
John Scott
Con
Indeed—that will come from the Liberal Democrats, I dare say.Following the elections to the commission, and given its new regulatory role, it makes sense to ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney) (LD)
LD
It would not be uncharitable to suggest that the bill has endured a somewhat traumatic birth. If it does not offend, I also offer the observation that the bi...
Alasdair Allan (Western Isles) (SNP)
SNP
Much has been said about the need for renewal in Scotland’s crofting communities, and quite rightly so. It is vital that we ensure that a new generation ente...
Peter Peacock (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
I acknowledge the presence of John Farquhar Munro in the chamber after many months of absence—it is good to see him back. I know that he has still not fully ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan)
SNP
Time is on the member’s side.
Peter Peacock
Lab
Thank you, although I am not sure that I welcome that.I want the commission to be a statutory consultee in the planning process. If that is confined to the a...
Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I refer members to my farming interests in the register of members’ interests and inform them that I am a member and vice-convener of the cross-party group o...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
SNP
I refer members to my registered interest as a member of the Scottish Crofting Federation, in which there are more varied views even than in the Liberal-Cons...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab)
Lab
I, too, welcome the opportunity to speak in this stage 1 debate on the Crofting Reform (Scotland) Bill. The process to get to this stage has been fascinating...
John Scott
Con
On the point at which communities stop and start, so to speak, does the member agree that it is reasonable for the trigger to be different for different comm...
Elaine Murray
Lab
In theory, there is an attraction to that argument, but questions arise. How practical would it be? Would it add further to the bureaucracy of operating the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
SNP
Yes.
Elaine Murray
Lab
Thank you. The cabinet secretary is no longer in the chamber to moan and groan. I have just two brief points to make.Labour members are concerned about the r...
John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD)
LD
I thank Peter Peacock for his kind welcome. I am glad to be back in the Parliament; I was missing you all—I really was. Having listened to the debate, I am p...
Jamie McGrigor
Con
On the case to which the member refers, I remember that the Crofters Commission turned up without a lawyer, but the developer was represented by Queen’s coun...
John Farquhar Munro
LD
To arrive there without any legal representation shows how interested the Crofters Commission must have been—that speaks for itself.My family have been activ...
Alasdair Allan
SNP
Will the member give way?
John Farquhar Munro
LD
Sorry, but I am finishing.All that we need is a democratically elected Crofters Commission—one that is elected from the crofting townships with a clear manda...
Bill Wilson (West of Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Like other members of the committee, I put on record my thanks for the hospitality that we received while gathering evidence. Escaping the biting winter wind...
Jamie McGrigor
Con
Does the member accept that the reason for the neglect of crofts is often the financial viability of crofting rather than the fact that people are not present?
Bill Wilson
SNP
There are a range of reasons why people neglect crofts. The important thing is that if somebody else wishes to take over a croft, they have the opportunity t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman)
Lab
We move to winding-up speeches.11:00