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Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
17 Dec 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
I will concentrate on the proposal by the Health and Sport Committee, of which I am a member, that spending on hospital consultants' distinction awards should not increase by £2 million as planned but should be capped at £28 million, which is itself a fairly massive expenditur...
Ian McKee SNP Committee
08 Dec 2010
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2011-12
I hear what you say and I support you strongly. It is a pity that the previous UK Government would take no action. We have made progress by having a review. Two points concern me a little. I gather that you suggested in your evidence to the Doctors and Dentists Review Body’s r...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Committee
30 Sep 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
Dr Simpson talked about budgets that seem to be decreasing. I will talk about one that has a real increase of 5.6 per cent: the budget for distinction awards for hospital consultants is going up from £28 million to £30 million. As the award will be reflected in pensions, I ima...
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
28 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
Thank you. It might not surprise you to hear that my second question is about the budget for distinction awards for hospital consultants. I see from Dr Woods's letter that the budget is increasing by 7 per cent, from £28 million to £30 million. The letter states that the award...
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
28 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
I understand the situation that you are in but, with respect, I point out that the increase in consultants has taken place in a group that does not normally receive distinction awards and I would therefore be surprised if the number of such awards issued had increased proporti...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
21 Jan 2010
Prescription Charges
I turn first to the Lib Dem amendment. After eight years of the Lib Dems sharing Government in Scotland, during which Ross Finnie admits that they did nothing to curb distinction awards, which are discriminatory and unfair no matter what the financial climate, they have the ga...
Ian McKee: SNP Chamber
18 Dec 2008
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Consultants Distinction Awards
The system of distinction awards is often justified by the need to prevent top-flight consultants from emigrating or moving into private practice. Is the cabinet secretary aware that out of the £25 million a year that the Government spent on distinction awards in 2007-08, and ...
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
07 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
The BMA's written submission states that the association is against"costly experiments such as the introduction of directly elected members to health boards",as they will"drain much needed resources away from NHS Board budgets."It feels that the money"would be … better spent o...
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
29 Oct 2008
Budget Process 2009-10
Many years ago GPs refused the distinction awards that consultants took because they felt that comparing one GP with another was impossible. On the other hand, you can compare workload with workload. Is there scope for introducing some form of distinction award for GPs who wor...
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
08 Oct 2008
Budget Process 2009-10
I had a supplementary question, but I see that Mr Lamb wishes to speak. I note that distinction awards are for dentists, too.
Ian McKee: SNP Committee
07 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
It lets me see how you feel about things. I recollect a quotation that you will probably not agree with. Aneurin Bevan said that he was getting the consultants' co-operation in starting the national health service by"stuffing their mouths with gold".I accept what you said abou...
4. Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
18 Dec 2008
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Consultants Distinction Awards
To ask the Scottish Executive whether it considers that the system of distinction awards for hospital consultants is in the interests of the national health service. (S3O-5338)
4. Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
28 May 2009
First Minister's Question Time · National Health Service Consultants (Distinction Awards)
To ask the First Minister whether the Scottish Government plans to review the system of distinction awards for NHS consultants. (S3F-1733)
3. Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
03 Jun 2009
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · National Health Service (Distinction Awards)
To ask the Scottish Executive what it considers to be the purpose of the system of distinction awards for NHS consultants. (S3O-7211)
Ian McKee: SNP Chamber
03 Sep 2009
SCOTTISH EXECUTIVE · Scottish Clinical Leadership and Excellence Award Scheme
Although outstanding performance over and above the call of duty deserves to be rewarded, I am sure that the cabinet secretary is as concerned as I am that the current system results in half of all retiring consultants being in receipt of distinction awards. In view of the fac...
Ian McKee SNP Chamber
17 Mar 2011
Scottish Executive Question Time · Hospital Consultants Pay Structure
I know that the cabinet secretary is aware of the general public disquiet at the principle and scale of distinction awards for NHS hospital consultants. Is she prepared to comment on the fact that, over the past five years, a retiring Lothians, Grampian or Glasgow consultant w...
The Deputy Convener: SNP Committee
10 Mar 2009
Arbitration (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
On section 16, "New York Convention awards", are we agreed that the proposed power in section 16(3) is acceptable in principle and that negative procedure is appropriate?Members indicated agreement.
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Chamber
18 Jun 2008
Creative Scotland Bill: Stage 1
The late and unlamented Hermann Göring gets the credit for the remark, "Whenever I hear the word, ‘culture', I reach for my revolver."Although it is certain that he was not the originator of the phrase—I leave it to those in the chamber who are better versed in the history of ...
Ian McKee: SNP Chamber
17 Dec 2009
Budget Process 2010-11
No, indeed. Before Jackie Baillie's wise intervention, I was about to say that after capping the scheme this year, our Government should open negotiations with the English Department of Health with a view to parallel reform in a big way, because such payments must be a drain o...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Committee
12 Dec 2007
Balance of Health Care Inquiry
My question is similar to Ross Finnie's, but I shall put it differently. My background is as a general practitioner. It will be easier if I make some observations and ask the panel to comment on them. First, I am interested in what happens in Midlothian in respect of mental he...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP): SNP Committee
07 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
I want to ask Mr Ford, in particular, about the Scottish clinical leadership and excellence award scheme, which was formerly called the distinction award scheme. Last month, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing told the Parliament that the scheme"will emphasise contr...
Ian McKee SNP Committee
24 Nov 2010
Certification of Death (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So you do not know at the moment.At present, the charge for a cremation certificate is quite high because the body is burned, which means that less evidence is left. The principle is that if someone wants a cremation, you need to make a bit more certain that there is nothing t...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP) SNP Chamber
13 Jan 2011
Scottish Executive Question Time · Distinction Award Scheme (National Health Service Pensions)
9. To ask the Scottish Government what the added cost to NHS pensions was of the distinction award scheme for hospital consultants in the most recent year for which information is available. (S3O-12616)
Ian McKee SNP Chamber
13 Jan 2011
Scottish Executive Question Time · Distinction Award Scheme (National Health Service Pensions)
I share the cabinet secretary’s disquiet that what may be a temporary contribution to health care over and above what is normally expected from a consultant may be rewarded not only with a distinction award for the rest of that consultant’s working life, but with an inflation-...
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Plenary, 17 Dec 2009

17 Dec 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Budget Process 2010-11
I will concentrate on the proposal by the Health and Sport Committee, of which I am a member, that spending on hospital consultants' distinction awards should not increase by £2 million as planned but should be capped at £28 million, which is itself a fairly massive expenditure. The recommendation is on page 22 of the Finance Committee's report. This is perhaps the first time that a subject committee has recommended a decrease in the budget that covers its remit.

When Jon Ford of the British Medical Association gave evidence to the Health and Sport Committee, he described how the distinction award system came about. He said:

"When the NHS came into being, those who were charged with paying consultants had to address the fact that, at that time, the very top consultants earned huge amounts of money in private practice. When they were subsequently translated into the NHS, a question arose as to how to replicate the range of professional incomes and give a small number of doctors very high levels of reward when there was no market to determine who should get them. The distinction award system therefore had clinical excellence as its main criterion. A few consultants were permitted to earn large sums in the NHS and they were peer reviewed as to clinical excellence."—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 7 October 2009; c 2280-1.]

The then Minister of Health, Aneurin Bevan, more prosaically described the exercise as stuffing the consultants' mouths with gold to attract their support for the fledgling state service.

However, things change. The consultants who retire today were scarcely infants when the scheme was introduced more than 60 years ago. The BMA says—rightly—that today's awards are bestowed for virtues such as leadership and service contribution, as well as clinical excellence, and that the selection methods have been refined and made fairer. However, other things have also changed. In particular, other groups of health workers—especially nurses—exhibit leadership and clinical excellence and make an enormous service contribution. Is it fair that their contribution goes financially unrewarded? Do we still need to stuff consultants' mouths with gold?

Something else has changed, too. Back in the 1940s, only the very top consultants' pay was augmented by a distinction award. Today, even though the proportion of all consultants who receive an award is quite small, 50 per cent of all consultants who are retiring receive one. That is because awards are usually given in the last few years of working life. As a consultant's pension is based on final salary, the benefit of an award goes on for the rest of his or her life, although the original award money is recycled on retirement for the next consultant coming along. That means that the overall cost to the taxpayer is much more than the £28 million or £30 million indicated in the draft budget, but by how much no one is able to say.

Some argue that a scheme that distributes £28 million to about 500 health workers, all of whom earn around six-figure salaries or more, is offensive and unfair; I tend to agree. Indeed, Dr Linda de Caestecker, director of public health for NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, has gone further and suggested that all high earners in public service should accept a pay cut of 5 per cent, a proposal that has my support and which I would willingly accept for myself as an MSP provided that it was part of a general settlement and not a meaningless, individual gesture. It would help to preserve front-line services.

Apologists for the continuation of distinction awards say that they are necessary to prevent a mass emigration of top talent, but it is unrealistic to suppose that many 50-something consultants would up sticks and leave the country in which they have so many roots, or indeed that many better-paid jobs would be available to people of that age in other countries. I do not suggest, however, that the scheme should be scrapped immediately. Academic general practitioners, for example, come under it and the difference between an ordinary GP's pay and that of a university lecturer is so great that it would be impossible to attract talented GPs into university departments without some sort of subsidy. There may be other similar situations in which an award is justified. It is possible that other health workers should come under the aegis of the scheme.

Of more importance is the relationship between the scheme in Scotland and what happens south of the border. If hospital consultants in England continue to be eligible for pay enhancements that can add more than £75,000 to their basic salaries, and those in Scotland do not, it is easy to see that young consultants might seek their first jobs in England, knowing that there they have at least a chance of receiving such largesse later in their professional lives.

I support the Health and Sport Committee's recommendation to cap the money going into the scheme.

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