Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 24 February 2011
24 Feb 2011 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill
One of the criticisms that is sometimes made of the national health service is that, as a monopoly, it runs the risk of ignoring the genuine needs and concerns of patients. If we are being honest, we know that that has sometimes been the case.
Other countries have attempted to put the patient in the driving seat by introducing competition and privatisation into health services, but that brings other problems—too numerous to list now—and Scotland has, rightly in my opinion, avoided going down that route.
How do we avoid the trap that many monopolies fall into of becoming an organisation for producers rather than consumers? The answer is by constant vigilance, and the Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill is an important tool that can help. It is perhaps significant that much of the opposition to the bill has come from producers, whereas patient organisations—the consumers—largely support it.
At stage 1, I found very persuasive the argument that the bill could be confusing, even misleading: although it is entitled “Patient Rights”, it does not list all patient rights. Although I recognise the argument by the minister and others that existing rights that are not enshrined in the bill are not weakened by that omission, it seems sensible to include in the bill the establishment of a charter, so that the average patient on the Morningside omnibus knows his or her entitlements. Therefore, I welcome the adoption of a charter at stage 2 and its continuing presence at stage 3.
The star attraction in the bill is the treatment time guarantee. Lawyers and others might quibble that a legal guarantee without legal redress is worthless, but most of us agree that neither patient nor NHS will benefit if the health service in Scotland becomes a rich feeding trough for lawyers, as is now the case in some other countries.
The attraction to patients and patient organisations of specifying a treatment time guarantee in the bill is that it gives waiting times much more importance in the minds of those who provide health care and so makes it much more likely that such a guarantee will be observed.
Another worry of mine when the Health and Sport Committee was taking evidence on the bill was whether strict attention to fulfilling the guarantee for patients nearing the end of the guarantee period might delay an operation or procedure for a person whose health could be seriously put at risk by such a delay. For instance, it would obviously be wrong for an operating list to be full of relatively minor operations that needed to be performed urgently simply to meet the terms of the guarantee, if that entailed putting off an operation or operations that were clinically urgent but which had been on the waiting list for a much shorter time.
I am pleased to say that the bill makes it clear that clinical needs must always be given priority in such situations—and, if such a situation exists, that is an acceptable ground for breaking the treatment time guarantee. That is a commonsense stipulation.
I praise the establishment of robust mechanisms for collecting patient feedback and providing patient advice and support. For too long we have encouraged an environment in which complaints have been the main form of feedback. Although it is important that complaints are received and acted upon, there are many pieces of advice or observations from patients that are far removed from being complaints that could help in the running of the health service. It is right that we pay attention to those. Being in hospital or on the end of health care delivery, from whatever source, can be a bewildering experience, so a robust, independent patient support service is very welcome.
We must not let ourselves be beguiled by the notion of a free health service. The NHS is not free; it is paid for by the taxes of those who use it. It is vital to establish mechanisms to protect the rights of those who not only use the NHS but pay for it, and the bill goes a long way towards doing that.
Like other members, I had concerns on first reading the bill at stage 1. That we can now all agree that the bill should be passed speaks well of the Government, the Health and Sport Committee and the Parliament. I ask the Parliament to support the bill.
16:24
Other countries have attempted to put the patient in the driving seat by introducing competition and privatisation into health services, but that brings other problems—too numerous to list now—and Scotland has, rightly in my opinion, avoided going down that route.
How do we avoid the trap that many monopolies fall into of becoming an organisation for producers rather than consumers? The answer is by constant vigilance, and the Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill is an important tool that can help. It is perhaps significant that much of the opposition to the bill has come from producers, whereas patient organisations—the consumers—largely support it.
At stage 1, I found very persuasive the argument that the bill could be confusing, even misleading: although it is entitled “Patient Rights”, it does not list all patient rights. Although I recognise the argument by the minister and others that existing rights that are not enshrined in the bill are not weakened by that omission, it seems sensible to include in the bill the establishment of a charter, so that the average patient on the Morningside omnibus knows his or her entitlements. Therefore, I welcome the adoption of a charter at stage 2 and its continuing presence at stage 3.
The star attraction in the bill is the treatment time guarantee. Lawyers and others might quibble that a legal guarantee without legal redress is worthless, but most of us agree that neither patient nor NHS will benefit if the health service in Scotland becomes a rich feeding trough for lawyers, as is now the case in some other countries.
The attraction to patients and patient organisations of specifying a treatment time guarantee in the bill is that it gives waiting times much more importance in the minds of those who provide health care and so makes it much more likely that such a guarantee will be observed.
Another worry of mine when the Health and Sport Committee was taking evidence on the bill was whether strict attention to fulfilling the guarantee for patients nearing the end of the guarantee period might delay an operation or procedure for a person whose health could be seriously put at risk by such a delay. For instance, it would obviously be wrong for an operating list to be full of relatively minor operations that needed to be performed urgently simply to meet the terms of the guarantee, if that entailed putting off an operation or operations that were clinically urgent but which had been on the waiting list for a much shorter time.
I am pleased to say that the bill makes it clear that clinical needs must always be given priority in such situations—and, if such a situation exists, that is an acceptable ground for breaking the treatment time guarantee. That is a commonsense stipulation.
I praise the establishment of robust mechanisms for collecting patient feedback and providing patient advice and support. For too long we have encouraged an environment in which complaints have been the main form of feedback. Although it is important that complaints are received and acted upon, there are many pieces of advice or observations from patients that are far removed from being complaints that could help in the running of the health service. It is right that we pay attention to those. Being in hospital or on the end of health care delivery, from whatever source, can be a bewildering experience, so a robust, independent patient support service is very welcome.
We must not let ourselves be beguiled by the notion of a free health service. The NHS is not free; it is paid for by the taxes of those who use it. It is vital to establish mechanisms to protect the rights of those who not only use the NHS but pay for it, and the bill goes a long way towards doing that.
Like other members, I had concerns on first reading the bill at stage 1. That we can now all agree that the bill should be passed speaks well of the Government, the Health and Sport Committee and the Parliament. I ask the Parliament to support the bill.
16:24
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan)
SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-7978, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill.15:50
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Nicola Sturgeon)
SNP
I thank the Health and Sport Committee and its clerks for all the work that they have done on the bill. As always, the committee was challenging but construc...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Lab
I thank colleagues on the Health and Sport Committee and the committee clerks for the help and support that they have given throughout the process. I also th...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
The health secretary commented on patients’ loyalty to the NHS. That is a good point, but a small minority have a bad experience and often want to provide fe...
Ross Finnie (West of Scotland) (LD)
LD
The Scottish Liberal Democrats voted against the bill at stage 1. We did so because of a number of quite important principles to do with the purpose of legis...
Ian McKee (Lothians) (SNP)
SNP
One of the criticisms that is sometimes made of the national health service is that, as a monopoly, it runs the risk of ignoring the genuine needs and concer...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Lab
I am pleased to speak in this stage 3 debate on what is a very much improved bill. As other members have said, the Health and Sport Committee could not recom...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (SNP)
SNP
We should see today not as the end, but as the beginning of a process of change in how the NHS handles complaints—especially complaints potentially involving...
Helen Eadie (Dunfermline East) (Lab)
Lab
I would like to thank the various organisations and individuals who have given feedback on the bill. They have done so assiduously throughout the process and...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab)
Lab
As other members have said, we have come a long way since stage 1 of the bill when many members, including me, expressed concerns about the need for it to co...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD)
LD
I am the convener of the Subordinate Legislation Committee. I and my colleagues on the committee have been fairly involved with the bill, so as well as thank...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Con
The context of this debate is of course patients’ right to complain in the national health service. I think we all agree that the national health service is ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Lab
As Mary Scanlon said, we have travelled far with the Patient Rights (Scotland) Bill, which has been considerably improved since its introduction. I thank the...
Nicola Sturgeon
SNP
I thank all colleagues who have spoken in the debate for their thoughtful contributions and their work as the bill has progressed through Parliament.A number...
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson)
NPA
Sorry, but could whoever has the electronic instrument that is making that noise please turn it off?
Nicola Sturgeon
SNP
I do not think that it is mine, Presiding Officer but, just in case, I have asked my colleague to remove it from my desk. It is a bit uncomfortable that I am...
Jackie Baillie
Lab
I am clear that the intention behind the SNP’s commitment to a legally binding guarantee was to give patients recourse to litigation. The bill does not do that.
Nicola Sturgeon
SNP
Not for the first time, Jackie Baillie is writing things into the SNP manifesto to assert that we have not delivered them. We have delivered what we said we ...
The Presiding Officer
NPA
Quiet, please. There is far too much noise in the chamber.
Nicola Sturgeon
SNP
I am glad to say that, this time, it is not being caused by my mobile phone, which is good.I have already thanked the Health and Sport Committee. I thank the...