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Gordon Lindhurst Con Chamber
16 Mar 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan
I am sorry, but not at the moment. “Climate change increasingly poses one of the biggest long-term threats to ... investments and the wealth of the global economy.” That was the view of Christiana Figueres, the then executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convent...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
27 Oct 2016
Environment and Climate Change (European Union Referendum)
I am pleased that we have had this debate on Scotland’s environment and efforts to tackle climate change. We all recognise that the natural environment is a key asset for Scotland and that beauty and heritage must be maintained. It is key in attracting the visitors whom we w...
The Convener Con Committee
02 Feb 2021
Climate Change Plan
Item 2 is an evidence session on the climate change plan. Our witnesses, who join us virtually, are Dr Diana Casey, director of energy and climate change at the Mineral Products Association; Professor Stuart Haszeldine, director of Scottish Carbon Capture & Storage; and Ri...
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
  09:31 The committee is considering the climate change plan and energy strategy. The witnesses with us today are Professor Sean Smith, director of the institute for sustainable construction and professor of construction innovation at Edinburgh Napier University; Elizab...
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Welcome back, everyone. I thank our second panel of witnesses for coming along this morning. In no particular order, we have with us: Gina Hanrahan, climate and energy policy officer with WWF-UK; and Professor Keith Bell, who I think is of Scottish Power—“ScottishPower Profess...
The Convener Con Committee
19 Jan 2021
Climate Change Plan
I welcome our second panel of witnesses on the consideration of the climate change plan: Chris Stark, chief executive of the Climate Change Committee; Julian Leslie, head of networks and chief engineer, National Grid ESO; and Steven McMahon, deputy director for electricity dis...
The Convener Con Committee
19 Jan 2021
Climate Change Plan
I will ask a few questions. The witnesses have talked about a great ambition. I think that we all agree that positive ambition is a good thing, but I wonder how realistic—Inaudible. At present, 740MW of offshore wind capacity is being planned or installed. Is it realistic to ...
The Convener Con Committee
16 Feb 2021
Climate Change Plan
Item 2 is an evidence session on the climate change plan. Our witnesses are Paul Wheelhouse, the Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands, and his Scottish Government officials Ragne Low, team leader in heat policy; Neal Rafferty, head of electricity policy and large-...
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
We come to our first panel of witnesses this morning. I ask the witnesses to indicate that they wish to come in on a question or a discussion by raising their hand. The sound desk will deal with the microphones, so there is no need to press any buttons. I welcome Christina Ma...
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
We recommence our meeting with our second panel of witnesses. I thank them for joining us to discuss the Scottish Government’s climate change plan and energy strategy. They are: Nicola Pitts, the head of gas commercial frameworks for National Grid; Julian Leslie, the head of e...
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Welcome back to the meeting. We have with us Paul Wheelhouse, the Minister for Business, Innovation and Energy, who is here with officials from the Scottish Government: Chris Stark, who is director of energy and climate change; Mike King, who is an economic adviser; Sue Kearns...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
16 Mar 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan
The whole world is waking up to climate change and its impact on the way we will live our lives in the future. It is not only the environment that is at risk if we do not face up to this issue, but the world economy as we know it. Some of the most promising growth markets acro...
Gordon Lindhurst Con Chamber
08 May 2018
Scottish National Investment Bank
On that point, we have the UK industrial strategy, which has the answer. Coming back to the Scottish situation, the point relates to what the cabinet secretary alluded to and to how things are done in other countries such as Germany, where a plan is set out, is properly thoug...
The Convener Con Committee
19 Jan 2021
Climate Change Plan
Item 2 is on the climate change plan. We have three witnesses. Morag Watson is director of policy at Scottish Renewables, Sam Peacock is director of corporate affairs and strategy at SSE, and Charles Wood is head of new energy services and heat at Energy UK. I welcome you, all...
The Convener Con Committee
02 Feb 2021
Climate Change Plan
I welcome our next three witnesses on the climate change plan: Cat Hay, head of policy with the Food and Drink Federation Scotland; Richard Simon, senior consultant with Element Energy; and Clare Reid, director of policy and public affairs with the Scottish Council for Develop...
The Convener Con Committee
16 Feb 2021
Climate Change Plan
Thank you, minister. The goal is net zero. Has the Scottish Government made a detailed assessment of renewable capacity and set a clear pathway towards 2045? The Climate Change Committee has said that that will be necessary.
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
03 Dec 2020
Heat Networks (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Heat networks are hardly a new idea. The first modern district heating system was pioneered in a town in the state of New York in 1877. Birdsill Holly, a friend of Thomas Edison, observed the abundance of thermal energy in urban areas, and he realised that heat from industrial...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
05 Oct 2016
HM Revenue and Customs (Bathgate)
I thank Neil Findlay for bringing the debate to Parliament, and my colleague, Miles Briggs, for all his efforts in the matter. Clearly, this is an important issue in Lothian, which has arisen following the announcement by HMRC last November that it intends to streamline its s...
The Convener (Gordon Lindhurst) Con Committee
20 Dec 2016
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning and welcome to the 16th meeting of the Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee. We have apologies from committee member Jackie Baillie. I welcome Keith Brown, Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Jobs and Fair Work. With him are Chris Stark, director of energy and climat...
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
I will open up the discussion to questions from committee members.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Sorry, but could you give us the reference or page of the chart that you held up, just for the record and for future reference?
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Thank you very much.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Certainly.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
If you want to provide those to us, yes. Perhaps it could be emailed to the clerks after the meeting so that we have a digital copy.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Who would like to respond?
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
While we are speaking about milestones, for those who think in old measurements, is 200 millimetres about 8 inches?
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Thank you very much. On that note, I bring this item to a close and suspend the meeting to allow us to change witnesses. I thank all four of our witnesses for coming today. I also note that committee member Jackie Baillie, who had expected to be here, has intimated her apologi...
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Thank you for that clarification. I apologise if I got that wrong.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Thank you. Dean Lockhart will start the questioning.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Certainly.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Before you proceed, Gina Hanrahan wants to comment.
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Does anyone else want to make a brief point on that?
The Convener Con Committee
31 Jan 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
As there are no further questions from committee members, that concludes the session. I thank all our witnesses very much for coming today. 12:05 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Gil Paterson wanted to ask a supplementary question, and Stuart Haszeldine also wishes to come in. I will let Gil Paterson ask his question first.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Richard Leonard wishes to come in with a supplementary question, and Christine MacKenzie and Stuart Haszeldine wish to provide an answer.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Jenny Hogan wants to come back in briefly.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Who would like to take the alphabet question?
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
I thank all our witnesses for coming in today. I invite them to make further submissions in writing on any further points that they wish to make—perhaps on the last points that were made by Professor Haszeldine. 10:53 Meeting suspended. 10:59 On resuming—
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
We will move on to a question from Richard Leonard.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
We will move on. Andy Wightman has another question.
The Convener Con Committee
07 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
I thank all our witnesses. If there are any further points that you want to submit in writing to the committee, we will be glad to receive them. We move into private session. 11:54 Meeting continued in private until 12:23.
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Decisions on Taking Business in Private
Agenda item 2 is a decision by the committee on whether consideration of the draft report on the draft climate change plan, and of a European Union research paper and an approach paper on our data inquiry, should be taken in private at future meetings. Does the committee agree...
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Is that target achievable?
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
You talked about moving people to electric vehicles, but the energy has to be produced somehow. Will it come from sources that do not produce carbon emissions?
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Minister, before we move on, Schleswig-Holstein, where much of the German renewable wind energy is from, is not looking for independence from Germany, although it has not always been a part of Germany. Do you agree that a stable political system is also helpful in this area?
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
My point was that Schleswig-Holstein is not looking to be independent, but we will move on.
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
We will move on from the sandbox to questions from Andy Wightman. 12:30
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
Gordon MacDonald will ask a short supplementary, after which we will move on to Ash Denham for further questions. In the light of the pressure on time, I ask that answers be kept a bit more focused. There will, of course, be an opportunity to write to the committee on any iss...
The Convener Con Committee
21 Feb 2017
Draft Climate Change Plan and Energy Strategy
I thank you and our other guests very much for coming to the committee today.
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
20 Jun 2017
Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Bill
Last week, I took part in the debate on opportunities for growth in the Scottish economy. As I said then, the Scottish Government has at its disposal a number of tools to facilitate growth in our economy and it could do more, now and in the future, to build trade and investmen...
4. Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
08 Nov 2017
Portfolio Question Time · Vehicle Emissions
To ask the Scottish Government, in light of its strategy to tackle climate change, what action it is taking to reduce vehicle emissions. (S5O-01428)
The Convener Con Committee
19 Dec 2017
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2018-19
Today, the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Jobs and Fair Work, Keith Brown, will give evidence to us on the Scottish Government’s draft budget 2018-19. The Scottish Government officials with him are Chris Stark, director of energy and climate change; Mary McAllan, director for ...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jan 2018
Developing the Young Workforce
The future of our country and our economy will be the backdrop to the future of our children, and our children will be that future. Scottish businesses rely on a skilled workforce to cope with the demands of a competitive, globalised world. For them, quality input is essentia...
Gordon Lindhurst Con Chamber
30 May 2019
A Trading Nation
I welcome any positive growth, such as the growth to which the minister refers, but we must look at the overall picture and recognise where we are missing the mark and missing a step. The SNP Government recently announced a dramatic U-turn on the plans to cut air departure ta...
The Convener Con Committee
24 Sep 2019
European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018
Item 3 on the agenda is on proposed regulations that the committee has been asked to consider in relation to a notification from the Scottish Government. The regulations aim to create a European Union spatial data infrastructure for environmental policies. They will amend two...
The Convener Con Committee
08 Oct 2019
Energy Statement
Thank you very much, everyone. I am an MSP for Lothian and the convener of the committee. I will start with a question to Professor Bell and Professor Webb. Do we need a new target for non-electrical heat demand, or are the more recent climate change plan targets now sufficie...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Nov 2019
Scotland as a Science Nation
Scots have invented almost everything worth inventing—at least, I am sure we might like to believe that. All joking aside, and many true things are said in jest—you name it: the television, the telephone, penicillin, the steam engine and the bicycle—refinements of existing tec...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Sep 2019
Scottish National Investment Bank Bill: Stage 1
What’s in a name? The Scottish national investment bank certainly has “Scottish” in it, and the intention is that its reach will be national and its purpose will be investment. However, it is not a bank; at least, not a retail bank. As one witness told us: “Essentially, SNI...
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con Chamber
28 Oct 2020
Energy Inquiry
We have all faced a dilemma before, and at times we may even have been tested by a trilemma, but how many of us have had to contend with a quadrilemma? That is the Royal Society of Edinburgh’s term for the puzzle that is our energy policy. The RSE says that it is crucial to st...
Gordon Lindhurst Con Chamber
28 Oct 2020
Energy Inquiry
I am delighted to hear that, and I stand corrected, if what I have said is incorrect. It was two years ago that the committee made the case for an “independent body, one that can provide oversight, continuity and a long-term framework … positioned at the heart of energy poli...
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 16 March 2017

16 Mar 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Draft Climate Change Plan

I am sorry, but not at the moment.

“Climate change increasingly poses one of the biggest long-term threats to ... investments and the wealth of the global economy.”

That was the view of Christiana Figueres, the then executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, who was instrumental in forming the Paris climate agreement.

So it is that the Economy, Jobs and Fair Work Committee takes part in today’s debate; in fact, many aspects of the draft climate change plan fall within our committee’s remit. Given that it also includes energy, our remit covers quite a lot of ground and I cannot hope to address everything in a few minutes today. However, I will touch on a few issues that the committee considered, including transparency, timescale and behaviour change.

Although we welcome the whole-system approach of the TIMES model, it cannot be at the expense of the level of detail included in previous climate plans. Do not take just our word for it—we defer to the authority of the Stern review of the economics of climate change, which encouraged caution and humility in all modelling and reminded us that results are always specific to the model and its assumptions. The evidence that we heard was that even a whole-system approach offers only a partial insight, and ambition should not be confused with wishful thinking.

A snazzier title is one thing, but the information fed into the model has not been proffered, nor has the weighting afforded to delivery, costs and disruption. The plan should detail budgets, targets and timelines as well as policies, not only for our benefit but for those tasked with the plan’s delivery. It would be helpful to know the inputs for certain sectors and how they were formulated. What, for some, are lesser targets put pressure on other aspects such as electricity, services and housing. They have been told to cut emissions by 120, 96 and 76 per cent respectively, while transport and agriculture have been asked to make cuts of 31 and 12 per cent, despite the fact that, together, those two produce 28 per cent of all greenhouse gas emissions.

Suffice it to say that the Scottish Government has not shown its workings, nor has it given much of a clue as to the content of Scotland’s energy efficiency programme, which is called SEEP by its friends. It is said to be key to ministerial thinking on climate change, but according to Stop Climate Chaos Scotland, much of the plan’s success

“relies on a programme which does not yet exist”.

One wonders whether androids dream of an energy-efficient future. That is something that the committee will return to in our scrutiny of the draft energy strategy—SEEP that is, not the androids; at least, not yet.

Timescale is my next theme. The Stern review said that climate change was

“the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen”,

and that delay would be costly and dangerous. In that regard, the committee supports the move towards low-carbon heat, but we are concerned by the pace of change, given that so little is to happen before 2025. We appreciate that technologies are evolving, but can we transform our housing stock and the public and commercial sectors in the space of seven years? Surely more can be done to front-load some of that work.

My final theme is behaviour change. It is a case not of altering, attuning or adjusting behaviour, but of making major non-marginal change in how we consume energy. Again, I am afraid that we found detail in short supply. Scottish Renewables underscored the need for buy-in of support from individuals and institutions alike. It said that it is unclear how we can achieve that without “clear and concise messages”. The final plan must deliver those messages. More than a decade ago, the Stern review said:

“Governments can be a catalyst for dialogue through evidence, education, persuasion and discussion.”

I will end where I began. Our economies and the necessities of life—access to water, production of food and the very air that we breathe—are under threat. The next chapter of the story is for us to write, and write it we must.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
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Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
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Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Gordon Lindhurst Con
I am sorry, but not at the moment. “Climate change increasingly poses one of the biggest long-term threats to ... investments and the wealth of the global e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Bob Doris to speak on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee. 14:42
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to talk on behalf of the Local Government and Communities Committee about the draft climate change plan. As members would expect, t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. 14:48
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I thank everyone who gave evidence to the committee, and also committee members and our cl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Roseanna Cunningham to open for the Government. You have eight minutes, cabinet secretary. 14:54
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I thank the conveners and members of the four committees for all the work that was done in their scrutiny of the draft climate change plan. I also thank all ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Will the Government’s proposed air passenger duty reduction help? It has been estimated that an extra 60,000 tonnes of carbon will be pumped into the atmosph...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
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Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I am sorry, but I have a minute less than I was originally told that I had, so I must press on. Some committees expressed concern about lack of information ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Well done, cabinet secretary. Ms Cunningham had been misinformed about timing, but not by our office. Alexander Burnett will open on behalf of the Conservat...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I would agree, but perhaps the timing communications were not sent out to us correctly.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Indeed?
Alexander Burnett Con
Indeed. I will endeavour to keep my speech to time. I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests and particularly to the interests that...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member give way?
Alexander Burnett Con
I will not be taking any interventions as I did not know that my speaking time would be reduced. According to our Environment, Climate Change and Land Refor...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Alexander Burnett Con
I have said that I will not take any interventions, given the time allowed. We have promised to support district heating schemes. The Government has a respo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before I get any more signals from members about the timings, let me say that members have five minutes for speeches in the open debate. The revised timings ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I recognise the significance of the draft climate change plan, which builds on the work done by all parties, from the Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 and ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I start by thanking the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre, witnesses and members of all four committees that have contributed to the scrutin...
Edward Mountain Con
Will the member give way?
Mark Ruskell Green
I do not have time, unfortunately. I have only five minutes, unless I get time back at the end. Will I, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You can have 30 seconds if you want to let Mr Mountain in.