Committee
Local Government and Transport Committee, 14 Nov 2006
14 Nov 2006 · S2 · Local Government and Transport Committee
Item of business
Budget Process 2007-08
I am pleased to give evidence on the Executive's detailed spending plans for local government for 2007-08, as published in the draft budget 2007-08. I remind the committee that these are draft proposals at this stage. We will reflect further on our plans in light of that and the consultations that are taking place with portfolio committees. I will restrict my comments to my overarching responsibilities for local government funding. Responsibility for individual services rests with individual portfolio ministers.Revenue support for local government for 2007-08, which councils receive through aggregate external finance—or AEF—and various other Executive grants, remains largely unchanged from that announced in last year's draft budget. Between 2006-07 and 2007-08, AEF will increase by 2.9 per cent in cash terms. In addition, councils will receive a range of specific revenue grants amounting to around £1 billion per annum and more than £400 million in direct capital grants. I should say more about those figures, because they are not the whole story. Nothing stands still in local government finance. Updating goes on continuously as, for example, agreement is reached to transfer funding from specific grant to AEF or funding awards are agreed by individual ministers, therefore the draft budget represents a point in time. While it was accurate when it was compiled and published, some of the figures for 2007-08 are already out of date. Unfortunately, some people concluded from what was published that some funding lines were being cut between 2006-07 and 2007-08. That was the wrong conclusion. The apparent gap was due to timing, as some figures were still to be confirmed and announced, which meant that they were not included when the draft budget went to print. To avoid any misunderstanding in future, we will add appropriate footnotes to the relevant tables to ensure that there is greater clarity. My officials recently met Professor Arthur Midwinter to discuss the position and I understand that he has revisited the advice that he provided previously. Last year, as the committee will know, the average council tax increase for 2006-07 across all councils was the lowest since devolution. Contact with councils indicates that council tax rises are likely to be kept down again in 2007-08. That would be a sensible outcome which, with prudent budgeting, I very much encourage them to deliver. I am pleased that councils have also continued to improve their council tax collection rates. There has been a steady year-on-year increase since before the millennium, and the latest in-year collection rate is now 93.3 per cent, which is up from 92.7 per cent last year. We are working with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and councils to ensure that that upward trend continues.We were pleased to welcome the publication on 9 November of the final report from the committee chaired by Sir Peter Burt that has been reviewing local government finance. The report is a substantial piece of work that merits careful consideration by us all. Clearly, we will need time to give the Burt committee's findings and conclusions detailed and careful consideration. Spending in the public sector since the Parliament was established, including support for local government, has increased substantially. By the end of the current spending review period, revenue support to local authorities will have increased by more than £3 billion compared with 1999-2000—an increase of 55 per cent. That includes the planned increase of 2.9 per cent for 2007-08, which is reflected in the tables. While that is a significant sum—and good news for the people of Scotland, who depend on the front-line services being provided—the Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform and I have said that if councils embrace greater efficiency, we are prepared to look again at the core funding settlement for local government for 2007-08. The evidence to date is that they are doing so. While it is too early to say anything further at this stage, I expect the Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform to be in a position to say more in early December in his statement to Parliament on the local government finance settlement for 2007-08. We are also approaching another spending review, which will set local government funding for the period after 2007-08. That review will take place next year and the outcome will be announced in September 2007. The extra year has created the space for us to think more fundamentally about where current trends might be heading and how best to respond to the long-term opportunities and challenges, and to think about different ways of achieving success. It is too early at this stage to comment on how that work is progressing. All the factors need to be considered to enable an informed decision to be taken after the election. One work strand that will impact on our thinking for the spending review is the debate that we have begun on the way public services are to be delivered. Over the past year, we have undertaken a dialogue involving people from right across the public sector and beyond. We have said that change is overdue, but not top-down change that focuses only on where boundary lines should be drawn on a map. While we are prepared to change structures where it is needed, our overall focus is not on structures but on a clear and shared vision of the role and value of public services and on a sustainable model for efficient delivery, high performance and strong accountability. In June, we published the consultation paper "Transforming Public Services: The Next Phase of Reform". We will shortly be announcing the next stages, and we are already identifying pathfinder councils with which we can test out new and better ways of working, including—but not limited to—outcome agreements. However, that is for the future.Coming back to 2007-08, and as part of our commitment to grow the economy we committed last year to equalise the business rate poundage with England. We will deliver on that in April 2007, and we will provide extra resources to local government through revenue support grant so that councils are no worse off. The figures contained in the 2007-08 draft budget already reflect that change, which represents a considerable boost to Scottish businesses. As with last year's report, the block grant provided to local government through AEF is largely unhypothecated, but a service split is available for the grant-aided expenditure that it supports. The draft budget includes details of GAE provision by portfolio. The GAE allocations are not, of course, expenditure targets. Rather, they represent a level of expenditure that the Executive thinks is justified as an input into the calculation of revenue support funding. Councils are free to incur additional expenditure over and above GAE, provided they can fund it from their own local resources and justify it to the electorate. The draft budget for 2007-08 covers the final year in the current spending review period. To that extent, our overall spending plans up to 2007-08 will not be reopened. We are looking again at the funding position for local government for 2007-08 from within our existing resources. There are relatively few changes from those that were reported in last year's draft budget, the most substantive of which are the additional resources to help local authorities deliver on the teacher numbers target and the transfer to the enterprise, transport and lifelong learning portfolio to reflect the introduction of the national concessionary fares scheme. Next year's draft budget will incorporate the outcome of the new spending review, and will be rather more significant.I am happy to take the committee's questions, and I or my officials will answer them.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
The next item on the agenda is evidence on the budget process 2007-08. I welcome George Lyon, the Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parl...
The Deputy Minister for Finance, Public Service Reform and Parliamentary Business (George Lyon):
LD
I am pleased to give evidence on the Executive's detailed spending plans for local government for 2007-08, as published in the draft budget 2007-08. I remind...
The Convener:
Lab
The most significant thing that the majority of people will want to know about in relation to your statement today and the decisions that you will face over ...
George Lyon:
LD
Far be it from me to speak about press speculation and what may or may not be announced by Mr McCabe when he makes his local government finance statement. Th...
The Convener:
Lab
Can you tell us either today or when the Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform reports to Parliament whether it is the Executive's intention to indi...
George Lyon:
LD
As you will be aware, following last year's discussions about council tax we ended up with the lowest percentage increase in council tax since devolution. We...
The Convener:
Lab
What would you regard as an acceptable average figure?
George Lyon:
LD
I do not want to comment on that. As you well know, that is a matter for councils. The clear message from central Government is that we welcomed the bearing ...
The Convener:
Lab
I ask the question because last year the Executive made it clear that it expected local authorities to set council tax increases at the lower end, below the ...
George Lyon:
LD
I am sure that when the Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform makes his statement he will comment on the issues that you raise. However, until decis...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
I want to ask the minister about non-domestic rates and the figures in table 7.05 in the draft budget. As we all know, business rates—non-domestic rates—are ...
George Lyon:
LD
The objective was clearly stated in the First Minister's announcement that we will equalise the rates in Scotland and England over a two-year period. The fir...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Let us park that assertion, with which I disagree.I asked the minister whether he could state what poundage in Scotland underlies the figure of £1.779 billio...
George Lyon:
LD
The assumption underlying the achievement of that equalisation with England and Wales is based on inflation. When the rate was set, the underlying assumption...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Can the minister, Mr Henderson or Mr Owenson tell us what figure for the poundage in Scotland will apply in 2007-08? What is the figure, please?
George Lyon:
LD
That will be announced once the rate down south has been confirmed.
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
No, minister. There must be a figure on the basis of which the total of £1.779 billion has been calculated. I am not asking the minister to state what the an...
David Henderson (Scottish Executive Finance and Central Services Department):
I do not have the figure with me today. The figure is available and we can give it to you in writing. As the minister said, it was calculated on the basis of...
Graham Owenson (Scottish Executive Finance and Central Services Department):
The English rate for 2006-07 is 42.6p. I do not have the ability to calculate quickly in my head 2.5 per cent of 42.6p.
The Convener:
Lab
I am sure that the information is readily available. If you could get it to us in correspondence before next week, that would be helpful.
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Yes. I am sorry that this has taken so long, convener. I thought that the information could have been provided at the beginning.Let us move on. Is the assump...
George Lyon:
LD
Our commitment is clearly to equalise the poundage rate in Scotland with that in England and Wales. Once the figure is announced down south, we will equalise...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Okay. Let us stay with the subject of business rates. Mr McLetchie and I attended an event that was hosted by Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce about two weeks a...
George Lyon:
LD
I am not aware of any deal being struck. It may be that the City of Edinburgh Council has been in discussions with the chamber of commerce, in which case you...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Thank you, minister. That is the answer that I expected. If the City of Edinburgh Council has reached such a deal, is it for the council to pay the cost of it?
George Lyon:
LD
I expect that that would be the case. I am not aware of the council being in any direct negotiations with us over the matter, but if it has been I will clari...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
Thank you.
Tommy Sheridan:
Sol
Both you and the Minister for Finance and Public Service Reform have accepted that the settlement for 2007-08 is tight. What do you mean by that? What are th...
George Lyon:
LD
We have used the word tight to describe the level of the settlement relative to the settlements in other years. As I explained, direct Government funding to ...
Tommy Sheridan:
Sol
You did not address the second part of my question. What are the factors that bear most on the Executive in relation to the extra funding that you are consid...