Committee
Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee 29 November 2017
29 Nov 2017 · S5 · Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee
Item of business
Implications of European Union Referendum
Under our membership of the European Union, for decades rural Scotland has enjoyed relative certainty about funding through programmes that lasted for seven or eight years. Currently, rural Scotland enjoys financial support from Europe covering a range of issues and totalling around £500 million a year. I have repeatedly made it clear that, until such time as we have clarity from the UK Government on what, post-Brexit, that funding will be replaced with, it is simply impossible—by definition—to prepare the sort of plan that Mr Rumbles thinks that we should produce. I have asked Mr Gove repeatedly to indicate what his UK Government’s plans are for funding post-Brexit, and I have reminded him—courteously, I hope—that prior to Brexit and the referendum he and his colleagues on the Brexit side said that EU funding would be matched. In fact, some said that it would be at least matched, implying that there would be more funding following Brexit. It is reasonable to say that until we have clarity about post-Brexit funding—actually, some of the pre-Brexit funding is by no means absolutely certain—it is simply impossible to produce the kind of plan that Mr Rumbles has asked me to produce. I hope that he is happy with that answer.
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The Convener
Con
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Stewart Stevenson
SNP
I have a small registered agricultural holding.
Peter Chapman
Con
I am a partner in an agricultural farming business in Aberdeenshire.
The Convener
Con
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The Minister for UK Negotiations on Scotland’s Place in Europe (Michael Russell)
SNP
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The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
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The Convener
Con
Thank you, cabinet secretary. It will not surprise you or the minister that we have a long list of questions. I encourage everyone to give as brief and succi...
Richard Lyle
SNP
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Michael Russell
SNP
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Richard Lyle
SNP
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Michael Russell
SNP
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Richard Lyle
SNP
Thank you.
The Convener
Con
Cabinet secretary, may I bring you in, because you wanted to answer that too? Then I will bring in Mike Rumbles.
Fergus Ewing
SNP
As far as engagement is concerned, at the start of the year, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and the devolved Administrations agreed t...
Mike Rumbles
LD
Good morning. I have been advocating for almost 18 months that the Scottish ministers should take the initiative and design a new, bespoke system of agricult...
The Convener
Con
Cabinet secretary, I think that falls to you to answer.
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Not for the first time, I must respectfully disagree with everything that Mike Rumbles has just said. First, we believe that it is essential that Scotland re...
The Convener
Con
That was a particularly long answer and I made the point at the beginning that I will find it difficult to get everyone—
Fergus Ewing
SNP
It was necessary.
The Convener
Con
Cabinet secretary, sorry, but I do not think that coming back with such comments is helpful. I am asking everyone to keep their comments short. Minister, y...
Michael Russell
SNP
As a very brief point, I simply point out that item 1 on the list of 111 items that the UK Government intended to reserve to itself, once they were transferr...
The Convener
Con
Mr Rumbles, you may have a short question before we move on.
Mike Rumbles
LD
Thank you, convener. I would like to follow up on that. As the minister knows, it was my amendment in Parliament that he accepted. I knew what I meant by tha...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
No, it is not true. We have obtained advice in order to prepare as best we can, but of course we just do not have the information now to provide a new policy...
Mike Rumbles
LD
I am laughing in frustration.
The Convener
Con
Sorry, but I am going to stop this now. It is courtesy for both sides to listen to what is being said when people are talking. Mr Rumbles, you might feel fru...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Under our membership of the European Union, for decades rural Scotland has enjoyed relative certainty about funding through programmes that lasted for seven ...
Mike Rumbles
LD
I am not happy with that answer and I want to record that, if I may.
The Convener
Con
I think that people have noted that you are not happy with the answer. Mr Chapman has the next question.
Peter Chapman
Con
I have a specific question for Mr Russell. In his opening statement, he said that he is negotiating “pragmatically and responsibly” on issues related to UK f...