Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 20 September 2012
20 Sep 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Community Sport Inquiry
Today we have deliberately moved the goalposts, Presiding Officer, but at least the playing field is level—and, if you are lucky, it is even a state-of-the-art 3G playing field.
I should explain that this debate on grass-roots sport comes not on the back of a published report, but midway through an inquiry by the Health and Sport Committee. It is not the first time that a parliamentary committee has sought wider input in this way—my colleagues on the Education and Culture Committee would confirm that—but it is a first for the Health and Sport Committee. I would like to give a sense of the evidence that we have heard to date and I hope to do that within the allotted time.
The message is that the committee welcomes members’ views, whether they are those of back benchers, ministers, or members of the cross-party group on sport. I am confident that the redoubtable convener of that group will have a thing or two to tell us later.
I do not know whether any members went along to salute our Olympic heroes in Glasgow or Edinburgh last weekend or were among the 15,000-plus who turned out to welcome Andy Murray home. That inspiration, bounce and energy is something that we all want to continue into the build-up to Glasgow 2014. It was well described by a witness from Active Stirling, who told the committee about Andy Murray tweeting his 400m “split time” as compared with Mo Farah’s. It caused quite a stir online, apparently. The witness also said:
“It is not about someone trying to be a gold-medal tennis player or 10,000m athlete, but it is vital that we capture the motivation that performance sport can give to physical activity.”
There was mention of a “double-strand pathway”, which sounds high-falutin’, but just means both focusing on the elite side and ensuring that my granddaughter will still want to go swimming when she is a teenager.
Our inquiry addresses three policy strands: the contribution of volunteers, the impact of sports clubs on their communities, and the importance of facilities—or, if you prefer, people, participation and places. It is people—the volunteers and the can-doers—who make community sport what it is.
A gentleman from Argyll and Bute Council told us:
“community sport hubs are not about buildings ... They are about people”.
Leisure and Culture Dundee said that sports development through the hubs was about nurturing volunteers to pursue their
“ambitions, dreams, visions, and aims”.—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 4 September 2012; c 2525, 2520.]
We were told that volunteers should be given clear information about what was being asked of them and what they could expect in return. Atlantis Leisure, which is widely seen as a paragon of community-led facilities, talked about taking
“the pain out of volunteering”.
Its chairman told us that if administration was the issue, it would do the administration. He also said:
“If the netball girls said, ‘We’d love to get new tunics, but we can’t afford them,’ we would get them tunics.”—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 11 September 2012; c 2585, 2586.]
He said that small things made a big difference.
Other witnesses spoke of the social value of local clubs. We were told that the clubs provide a network of volunteers, foster a sense of belonging, and bring people together through a sense of pride and collective purpose. It was even suggested that their strength can provide an indication of the levels of wellbeing in our communities.
Development of community sport hubs is the prevailing direction of policy, and we heard much that sounded positive in that regard. However, several witnesses advised us not to overlook the clubs and individuals—who we all know about—that do valuable work outside that model.
It is crucial that we increase participation, particularly among hard-to-reach groups such as young people in deprived areas, teenage girls, black and ethnic minorities, people with disabilities, those who have been put off sport at school and the older generation.
It was Mark Twain who said:
“I am pushing 60. That is enough exercise for me.”
That might be apt in my case. However, as more of us live longer, such a view becomes less tenable. Indeed, one witness talked about a demand from the over-60s and over-70s for something called walking football, which, given his recent five-a-side injury, might be something for my deputy convener. I do not know what Bob Doris would say to that—I think that he already practises it.
I should explain that this debate on grass-roots sport comes not on the back of a published report, but midway through an inquiry by the Health and Sport Committee. It is not the first time that a parliamentary committee has sought wider input in this way—my colleagues on the Education and Culture Committee would confirm that—but it is a first for the Health and Sport Committee. I would like to give a sense of the evidence that we have heard to date and I hope to do that within the allotted time.
The message is that the committee welcomes members’ views, whether they are those of back benchers, ministers, or members of the cross-party group on sport. I am confident that the redoubtable convener of that group will have a thing or two to tell us later.
I do not know whether any members went along to salute our Olympic heroes in Glasgow or Edinburgh last weekend or were among the 15,000-plus who turned out to welcome Andy Murray home. That inspiration, bounce and energy is something that we all want to continue into the build-up to Glasgow 2014. It was well described by a witness from Active Stirling, who told the committee about Andy Murray tweeting his 400m “split time” as compared with Mo Farah’s. It caused quite a stir online, apparently. The witness also said:
“It is not about someone trying to be a gold-medal tennis player or 10,000m athlete, but it is vital that we capture the motivation that performance sport can give to physical activity.”
There was mention of a “double-strand pathway”, which sounds high-falutin’, but just means both focusing on the elite side and ensuring that my granddaughter will still want to go swimming when she is a teenager.
Our inquiry addresses three policy strands: the contribution of volunteers, the impact of sports clubs on their communities, and the importance of facilities—or, if you prefer, people, participation and places. It is people—the volunteers and the can-doers—who make community sport what it is.
A gentleman from Argyll and Bute Council told us:
“community sport hubs are not about buildings ... They are about people”.
Leisure and Culture Dundee said that sports development through the hubs was about nurturing volunteers to pursue their
“ambitions, dreams, visions, and aims”.—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 4 September 2012; c 2525, 2520.]
We were told that volunteers should be given clear information about what was being asked of them and what they could expect in return. Atlantis Leisure, which is widely seen as a paragon of community-led facilities, talked about taking
“the pain out of volunteering”.
Its chairman told us that if administration was the issue, it would do the administration. He also said:
“If the netball girls said, ‘We’d love to get new tunics, but we can’t afford them,’ we would get them tunics.”—[Official Report, Health and Sport Committee, 11 September 2012; c 2585, 2586.]
He said that small things made a big difference.
Other witnesses spoke of the social value of local clubs. We were told that the clubs provide a network of volunteers, foster a sense of belonging, and bring people together through a sense of pride and collective purpose. It was even suggested that their strength can provide an indication of the levels of wellbeing in our communities.
Development of community sport hubs is the prevailing direction of policy, and we heard much that sounded positive in that regard. However, several witnesses advised us not to overlook the clubs and individuals—who we all know about—that do valuable work outside that model.
It is crucial that we increase participation, particularly among hard-to-reach groups such as young people in deprived areas, teenage girls, black and ethnic minorities, people with disabilities, those who have been put off sport at school and the older generation.
It was Mark Twain who said:
“I am pushing 60. That is enough exercise for me.”
That might be apt in my case. However, as more of us live longer, such a view becomes less tenable. Indeed, one witness talked about a demand from the over-60s and over-70s for something called walking football, which, given his recent five-a-side injury, might be something for my deputy convener. I do not know what Bob Doris would say to that—I think that he already practises it.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith)
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-04179, in the name of Duncan McNeil, on the Health and Sport Committee’s inquiry into support for communi...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab)
Lab
Today we have deliberately moved the goalposts, Presiding Officer, but at least the playing field is level—and, if you are lucky, it is even a state-of-the-a...
Margo MacDonald (Lothian) (Ind)
Ind
For the member’s information, I think that there are already volunteers available to take people through walking football. They are called Rangers.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
Margo MacDonald will not draw me on that one. I am feeling enough hurt as it is. I am still not ready to talk about it, and certainly not publicly.We were to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
It is your last minute.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
I should recognise that you have blown the final whistle and sit down.
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
No, you have another minute.
Duncan McNeil
Lab
In that case, I will address the issue of preventive health.A number of witnesses mentioned the idea of general practitioner referrals to sport, but the most...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Thank you very much. We are incredibly tight for time.15:45
The Minister for Commonwealth Games and Sport (Shona Robison)
SNP
I am very pleased to take part in the debate and welcome the Health and Sport Committee’s inquiry into community sport.I had the great privilege of attending...
Hanzala Malik (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lab
Will the Government consider rolling out free places for our schools to enable youngsters to participate in sporting activities? More important, will the Gov...
Shona Robison
SNP
The community sport hubs are part of the solution to that, because one of sportscotland’s requirements for a hub and the partners within it concerns affordab...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
A number of community sport hubs are looking to take over buildings that are owned by city councils, for example in Dundee. I am sure that the minister knows...
Shona Robison
SNP
We have begun to do that, and there will be further announcements on the community management fund in due course.I highlight the importance of schools. We ar...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I call Patricia Ferguson, who has a very strict five minutes.15:53
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Lab
I congratulate the Health and Sport Committee for holding this short debate and for the inquiry that it has commenced. I also congratulate the convener on hi...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I am in my last minute.Such a debate would give us all the opportunity to celebrate this wonderful summer of sport and to discuss in a serious and considered...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Nanette Milne has a strict five minutes.15:58
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con)
Con
Now that we are halfway through the Health and Sport Committee’s inquiry into community sport, and now that governing bodies, clubs and participants in sport...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
We move to the open debate, which is oversubscribed. I can give members a maximum of four minutes at present, but if they were to take a bit less time I woul...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
As a former member of the Health and Sport Committee, I welcome the debate on support for community sport, and I compliment the convener and deputy convener ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
Many thanks. I am most grateful.16:06
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab)
Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate this afternoon. I also welcome the community sport hubs, which are a critical part of the agenda.However, I ...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
SNP
When taking evidence on support for community sport, the first and most vital factor that strikes us is that, without the army of volunteers, sport—and, for ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Lab
I must point out to members that there really are no extra seconds available.16:14
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP)
SNP
I, too, welcome this debate on the Health and Sport Committee’s inquiry into support for community sport. My time on that committee was oh so short. I was a ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
You have 30 seconds.
George Adam
SNP
I am aware of that, Presiding Officer.We managed to put in £10,000 per hub from the local authority. We must ensure that we give all the clubs a reason for g...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
Thanks very much, Mr Adam. We are extremely tight for time, so speeches of up to four minutes would be welcomed. Less would be more in that regard. I will le...