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Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Oct 2013
Access to New Medicines
First, I thank the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and all those who contributed written evidence and gave of their time to participate in the committee’s public sessions. It is just as important to thank all those people who came forward over the period of ...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
14 Nov 2007
Stobhill Hospital <br />(Parking Charges)
I thank Paul Martin for giving us the opportunity to have this debate this evening. I start with a confession: I was not born at Stobhill, or even in Glasgow. However, I visited Stobhill hospital on many occasions in my role as a trade union official representing people there....
Duncan McNeil: Lab Chamber
28 Jun 2007
Health and Well-being
I am sorry, but my time is limited. Suffice to say, the Inverclyde community and I will hold the cabinet secretary to her word, and to her presumption that there will be no centralisation of services and that an appropriate weight will be given to patient and public opinion. I...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
31 Jan 2001
Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
As a former member of the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee I appreciate the opportunity to speak, despite the fact that that opportunity arises because of the illness of my friend and colleague Marilyn Livingstone.Members of the committee will be sick and tired of he...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
21 Apr 2005
Dental Health Services
I am sorry to disappoint Alex Fergusson, but given the recent debate, the minister's statement and today's subsequent debate, it is hard to generate any heat at all on the issue, which has been well discussed over the past few weeks. As a member of the Health Committee, I welc...
The Convener Lab Committee
21 May 2013
New Medicines (Access)
Why did it take the review and the inquiry before you addressed that issue? It was clear that different health boards took different lengths of time to give people access to licensed medicines that had been agreed by the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence and th...
The Convener Lab Committee
25 Feb 2014
Access to New Medicines
I do not think that the report says that. It says that 1,500 patients would benefit under the proposed new system, which would be robust, not careless. That is not insignificant and I want to be excited about that on behalf of people but I do not want to get overexcited about ...
The Convener Lab Committee
01 Mar 2016
Access to New Medicines
Professor Fox, you said that the SMC does not negotiate the price, but an issue that has been raised by people who have tried to access new medicines is that, sometimes, even when the only thing that has really changed is the price, a new medicine has become available, which s...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Committee
24 Nov 1999
Local Economic Development
Access is important, but so is the outcome. As you said, in certain communities we trained people for specific jobs and, for example, some of them worked for 20 years as welders. That gave the communities good money over those 20 years and the outcome was successful. There was...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
28 Jun 2005
Scottish Parliament Building
I confirm that the speculation is true, but whether the work could be called refurbishment is another matter. In December last year, we decided to invest a relatively small amount of money in response to a lot of debate about the members' restaurant area. As a result of that i...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
28 Jun 2005
Scottish Parliament Building
General issues are involved. The corporate body is addressing financial issues to do with how much should be spent on subsidising the various catering arrangements in the Parliament, from the coffee to the canteen area and the members' restaurant. We are aware that we must do ...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
02 Sep 2003
Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We are becoming more cynical about the process. Such issues as doctors' hours are driving the availability of and access to acute health services. Nobody would argue with the principle of reducing junior doctors' hours but, a few years later, we can see how that impacts on acc...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Committee
05 Sep 2006
Adult Support and Protection (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Does the bill give more than just greater access? Does it give the opportunities that Paddy Healy mentioned as part of child protection assessment? In the examples that have been given, access was not enough, because it always happened too late, when the abuse had occurred and...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 May 2000
Education and Training (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. The second division—Fergus Ewing and I—are making speeches today, rather than John Swinney and others. Laughter. Anyway, I will press on.I need tell no one in the chamber that the Scottish economy has seen enormous changes in the past decade. I am confronted by that...
Mr McNeil: Lab Chamber
15 Dec 2004
NHS Scotland
I have limited time and Shona Robison took too much of it. Stewart Stevenson should blame his colleague.The raft of tough new targets on waiting times is to be welcomed, but those targets will be met only if we couple the extra investment with real reform. Having listened to t...
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Do we not need to extend that to all health services in Scotland? What we spend at the end of life is a significant amount, which probably costs the health service a damn sight more than some of the medicines would cost. That is part of people’s grievance.The view of people wh...
The Convener Lab Committee
21 May 2013
New Medicines (Access)
One issue that has been put to us in evidence is that, whereas the difficult issue of access has partly been resolved in England through the cancer drugs fund, people here in Scotland are losing out. It might be right that we debate how to get the best value and best outcome f...
The Convener Lab Committee
07 May 2013
New Medicines (Access)
Some aspects of the discussion about access to new medicines are very complex. People have petitioned the Parliament and we have had, as I am sure you have had cabinet secretary, emails from the relatives of Janice Glasswell about her quest to get cetuximab, the cancer drug th...
The Convener Lab Committee
25 Feb 2014
Access to New Medicines
Harking back to the letter from the Beatson clinicians, how do we create a situation in which there is not a stand-off? Despite the intervention of the CMO, and the expectation that access should be easier, the clinicians say that the system is still “problematic” and that the...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Oct 2014
Food (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for making it clear that I am speaking this afternoon on behalf of the Health and Sport Committee, although the topics of food, animal feed and fish factories are not the normal bread and butter of our committee. That is my first pun—it is not the...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Nov 2014
Human Rights
Presiding Officer, thank you for the opportunity to speak in the debate. I will focus on the day-to-day aspect of human rights that is mentioned in the motion—the realisation of human rights here at home. I suppose that I am also suggesting that we need to caution against self...
The Convener Lab Committee
13 Jan 2015
Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry to press you, but the committee has considered access to new medicines and new drugs. Sometimes there are aggressive treatments whose outcome is uncertain. Sometimes they lead to betterment and sometimes they lead to severe and unpleasant end-of-life situations; it ...
The Convener Lab Committee
03 Mar 2015
Commonwealth Games (Legacy)
Can we broaden the discussion out to get back into the strategic issues? One of the committee’s recommendations back in 2013 was on the sport strategies that were beginning to emerge alongside the sport hubs. Are sport strategies in place right across local authorities, and do...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
23 Jun 1999
Remit
There is an issue here about access to learning and about developing the knowledge economy. We should examine why colleges such as Perth College are in such trouble, while colleges in my constituency are expanding, enjoying record levels of funding, and recruiting extra staff ...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
14 Nov 2000
Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Now I am confused. Your evidence suggested that the endowment scheme would widen access for that group of students, yet you are all nodding in response to Margo MacDonald's suggestion that it would not really widen access.
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
23 Sep 2003
Scottish Parliament Equality Framework
The SPCB is not responsible for training MSPs' staff. However, we recognise that our policies and the requirements of law put pressure on such staff to be aware of access issues and so on. When Levi Pay was talking about gadgets, the idea popped into my head that the deaf comm...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
27 Apr 2004
Scottish Parliament Equality Framework
I can get back to the member with details of that. There is limited access to the training that is provided by the Parliament. That said, as the training is provided on a needs assessment of the Parliament's employees, it suits parliamentary staff and might not be transferable...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
27 Apr 2004
Scottish Parliament Equality Framework
There is a lot in place. Obviously, there is quite extensive employment guidance that sets out how we should select, interview and treat our staff. There is also direct support from the personnel office. Other schemes are in place to provide support—the names of which have esc...
Mr McNeil: Lab Committee
09 Nov 2004
Work Force Planning Inquiry
That is important, given the fact that countries throughout the world are experiencing similar problems. This inquiry is about how we, in Scotland, address some of the challenges that we face, and I do not think that anyone is suggesting that there does not need to be a recogn...
The Convener: Lab Committee
01 Oct 2008
Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We proceed to our second panel of witnesses. I welcome Stewart Stevenson MSP, the Minister for Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change, and, from the Scottish Government, Angus MacInnes, branch head of the local roads policy, traffic management and transport decisions uni...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Oct 1999
Scottish University for Industry
The merits of establishing a Scottish university for industry are not in doubt. We all agree that we live and work in an ever-changing global economy. We have rejected the low-pay, low-productivity sweat-shop vision of the Tories in favour of a high-value knowledge economy. Th...
17. Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
16 Mar 2000
Question Time · Credit Unions
To ask the Scottish Executive what impact increased access to credit unions will have on communities that currently have no access to low-cost financial services. (S1O-1365)
Mr McNeil: Lab Chamber
18 May 2000
Question Time · Social Inclusion
Will the minister therefore agree that it is worth considering giving people in receipt of income support or jobseekers allowance a personal identification number so that they can have free access to the internet through public access points such as internet cafes, libraries a...
Mr Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
06 May 2004
National Health Service Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will make some brief statements of fact. The more socially disadvantaged and less well-educated members of our communities have the poorest health and shortest life expectancy. Our constituents, especially the more socially disadvantaged and less well educated, are not conve...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
01 Oct 2008
Cancer Drug Access
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I have enjoyed the speeches so far. We owe some gratitude to the Public Petitions Committee for securing the debate.In many ways, the debate is just one strand of a wider debate on the future and evolution of the health ser...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
26 Nov 2008
Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Bill was introduced by Jackie Baillie MSP on Monday 2 June 2008. The Local Government and Communities Committee was confirmed as the lead committee in consideration of the bill at stage 1 by vote of the Parliament on Wednesday 11...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
01 Apr 2009
“Drug and alcohol services in Scotland”
As the Audit Scotland report confirms, there are limited data on the number of children who are affected by parental substance misuse, and I take it from his statement that the minister recognises the need to do better in that area. When can we expect work to begin on confirmi...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab): Lab Chamber
24 Sep 2009
Child Protection
It is only correct that we recognise the progress that has been made following the "Hidden Harm" report, but that progress must be measured against the scale of the problem. Much more still needs to be done if we are to be confident that children are no longer subjected to the...
Duncan McNeil: Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2009
Getting it Right for Every Child
We live in hope but at this point we cannot ignore the SCRA's hard, hard messages.The SCRA report also highlights specific issues about the power of child protection services to get access to children whose parents are unwilling to engage with them. The matter has already been...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Jun 2009
<br />Home Care Services for the Elderly
I understand that work is being done, but I am trying to draw some comparisons between the level, frequency and notice of inspections as they apply to residential care home services and to care services out in the community. Access to people in their own homes is also an issue...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Jun 2011
Green Energy
The motion, the amendments and the debate are characterised by common themes: a shared ambition to create a sustainable future; a determination to secure the maximum return on our investment and our resources; and a sense of expectancy—indeed, excitement—at what can be achieve...
The Convener Lab Committee
29 May 2012
Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill seeks to deal with different groups of people in different areas of need. Indeed, it explores the question of the different groups and cultures who may not access support.Having listened to your story, I understand that you discovered what you could receive only well ...
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Agenda item 2 is a round-table session on access to new medicines. Members will recall that the committee agreed to hold the session to help our understanding of how new medicines are approved for use in the national health service in Scotland and the system of individual pati...
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Can you help me? I do not know about all that. A constituent of mine had consultant support for a particular medicine but could not get access to it. You are suggesting that if a GP had prescribed that medicine, it would be okay. Is that the message?
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
There may be an issue with communication. That insider jargon and knowledge is all completely familiar to you, but it is excluding people across the board from a simple understanding of how to access a medicine that might improve the quality of their lives. No one around the t...
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Therefore, we have the best system in the world and all the people out there are complaining about nothing. Is that the message from those who are deeply involved in the system of reviewing and giving access to medicines? The system is perfect and cannot be improved, and those...
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
We are running out of time, but there are a couple more issues to discuss, such as individual patient treatment requests and the stuff in the submissions about clinical research needing access to new medicines; the witnesses might want to respond to that.
The Convener Lab Committee
18 Sep 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Yes. Again, the situation can sometimes be affected by the cross-border or postcode issue, whereby although the SMC has not endorsed the medicine, a request is made on the basis that if the patient was living somewhere else in the United Kingdom, they would be able to access i...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Sep 2012
Community Sport Inquiry
Some people have said that, in general, sport hubs are a good idea but can become a barrier to more casual access. Some of the evidence that we have received reflects that. What would you say to that? With the hubs, access to sport becomes formal, so informal engagement with s...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Sep 2012
Community Sport Inquiry
Before you leave, I will ask you what you expect out of this inquiry—I give you notice of that. VOCAL—the association for culture and leisure managers in Scotland—says that it agrees with what we have heard about access to children’s play areas and maximising access to the sch...
The Convener Lab Committee
25 Sep 2012
Community Sport Inquiry
When Drew Smith and I visited St Maurice’s high school in Cumbernauld yesterday, we heard about the role of the school, the young sporting ambassadors who joined and are now coaching very successful basketball teams and the kind of local access to which Judy Murray has just re...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab Chamber
18 Sep 2012
Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Legislation and policy making can be an impersonal business, but I want to recount the very human story of Omar Haq, to whom the minister referred. Omar is an intelligent young man with his life and career ahead of him. He graduated a couple of years ago with a masters degree ...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Dec 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Item 2 is the committee’s work on access to new medicines. This morning we have two round-table sessions: the first is made up of cancer clinicians; and the second is made up of patient representatives and organisations. Given the number of people at the table, it would be eas...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Dec 2012
New Medicines (Access)
That is correct. I think that I mentioned that review at the start of the committee meeting, and that is why it is opportune that we are able to feed in some of the experience on the ground. Of course, there is a difference between the SMC approval process and the individual p...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Dec 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Thank you. You got a wee bit extra time for your nice comments. We are, however, under time restrictions and I want people to be able to get back in. Does anyone else want to respond to the general question? We have heard some positive points for the SMC about swift action and...
The Convener Lab Committee
04 Dec 2012
New Medicines (Access)
Should there be wider criteria for the SMC? In its evidence to us, it conceded that it looks at a particular budget and the decisions that it makes at that point can impact on other budgets, such as those for community care. It seemed from that evidence that the SMC could have...
The Convener (Duncan McNeil) Lab Committee
29 Jan 2013
New Medicines (Access)
Good morning. I welcome members and the public to the third meeting in 2013 of the Health and Sport Committee. As usual, I remind you to switch off all mobile phones, BlackBerrys and other wireless devices, as they can interfere with our sound system.We have received apologies...
The Convener Lab Committee
29 Jan 2013
New Medicines (Access)
There is a general area there about patient knowledge and indeed clinical experience. I am sure that we can pick that up.Going back to the issue that Richard Simpson raised, I note that there has been some movement in the area during the inquiry. A review is under way of gener...
The Convener Lab Committee
29 Jan 2013
New Medicines (Access)
We continue with agenda item 1, which is on access to new medicines. I welcome our new panel of witnesses. As we did previously, it would be useful if all of us around the table could introduce ourselves.I am the MSP for Greenock and Inverclyde and I am convener of the Health ...
The Convener Lab Committee
29 Jan 2013
New Medicines (Access)
The committee is interested in that too, and will seek clarification on it. As the results of the review on access to medicines and the IPTR become clearer, we are planning engagement in order to get clarity. I am sure that we will retain your attention and that you will obser...
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Meeting of the Parliament 09 October 2013

09 Oct 2013 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Access to New Medicines
McNeil, Duncan Lab Greenock and Inverclyde Watch on SPTV
First, I thank the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and all those who contributed written evidence and gave of their time to participate in the committee’s public sessions. It is just as important to thank all those people who came forward over the period of the committee’s inquiry at a difficult and vulnerable time in their life and spoke out about the failings in terms of the patient experience. I am speaking on behalf of the Juszczak family in my constituency and the family of Anne Fisher, who is sadly deceased, who spoke out at a very difficult time. All those contributions ensured that the Health and Sport Committee approached the whole issue with sensitivity and consensus.

Access to medicines is a big, complex and deeply emotive issue. The committee first looked at the matter in March 2012 when we received a trio of petitions on orphan medicines. Now, as they say, for the science bit: orphan medicines are those used to treat very rare diseases. We have learned a lot in the past 18 months and I hope to share some of it with members in the next 13 minutes.

I want to retrace our steps as a reminder of why we are discussing the issue today. Along with the usual who, what and when, I will set out the main findings of the report that we published in early July, which is the how. I shall also offer some thoughts on yesterday’s statement from the cabinet secretary in the where-we-are-headed bit.

My colleagues on the Public Petitions Committee deserve credit for their role in this story. It was with their committee that the petitioners first raised their concerns. The petitioners were Alastair Kent, Allan Muir, Lesley Loeliger and Professor Peter Hillmen, individuals working on behalf of Rare Disease UK, the Association for Glycogen Storage Disease, and PNH Scotland, respectively. I am sure that they would all acknowledge the work on an earlier petition of January 2008 by Tina McGeever, on behalf of the late Mike Gray, which resulted in revision of the guidelines to the end-to-end process, which is the licensing of medicines through to individual patient treatment requests, or IPTRs.

The petitioners argued that the revision had not resulted in improved access to orphan medicines for patients with rare diseases. The committee took evidence last March from the petitioners and then from the Scottish Medicines Consortium, the SMC, and the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, the ABPI. I apologise for all the acronyms—it is like a secret services convention.

We followed up the earlier evidence with evidence from clinicians and patient representative bodies. On 14 November 2012, the cabinet secretary announced the Routledge and Swainson reviews. The committee heard from the authors of the reviews and from the cabinet secretary and the chief pharmaceutical officer on 7 May 2013. On 21 May, we held a further round-table session with interested parties to gauge reaction to the twin reviews. The report of the committee’s findings was published on 3 July. The committee found that there is enthusiasm from all quarters to work together to improve the system for accessing new medicines and create a system that enables a wider assessment of their value with more of what might be termed a societal dimension.

Our report welcomes the recommendations from Swainson and Routledge, but we want both the IPTR and the SMC processes to be improved to ensure that we have a more transparent system for accessing new medicines. In short, we want more yeses. Many of the suggestions in the reviews are welcome, including those on meetings being held in public, the standardisation of paperwork, the monitoring of applications and the publication of decisions, but they are about process and would do little to improve access.

One of the difficulties with the IPTR system lies in establishing the exceptionality of the patient’s circumstances. We said that the Scottish Government must outline the steps that it will take to improve the system. Decisions on whether to recommend a medicine for use in Scotland depend on the cost of the additional quality-adjusted life years—a system known as QALY. I hope that the official reporters have a glossary, because there are a lot of acronyms in this area. Nobody told us of a better system than QALY for assessing the value of competing treatments. Who knew that an equation could be as brutal as cost divided by the number of weeks for which a life might be extended?

However, the way in which so-called modifiers are applied is crucial in determining the cost effectiveness of medicines. We asked the SMC and the Scottish Government to review how modifiers and thresholds are applied to take better account of orphan and ultra-orphan conditions, end of life and innovation. After all, our work began with the petitions on orphan and ultra-orphan medicines.

We welcomed the interim £21 million rare conditions medicines fund, but questions remain about the extent to which it can improve access to medicines. The committee said that clear guidance should be published and that decisions about specific cancer medicines should be made on the same basis as decisions on medicines for other conditions. We said that cancer should not be singled out in comparison with other life-shortening conditions. The committee accepted that this was a difficult issue. Nevertheless, we did not believe that a cancer drugs fund was the Scottish answer.

The committee recognised that there were concerns about the impact of innovative medicines not routinely being available in Scotland and we asked the Scottish Government to investigate. Likewise, we said that developments with value-based pricing, or VBP, should be monitored.

I am afraid that I do not have time to tell you about ADTCs, which are area drug and therapeutics committees, about PPRS, which is the pharmaceutical price regulation scheme or about NICE, which is the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence. I could say “NICE but naughty”—speaking of which, I note that it was only yesterday morning when we received a copy of the Scottish Government’s response to our report. That is a shame, as we would have liked to have fully considered it and come to a view as a committee.

What I can say is that I appreciate the language and the intention of what is proposed. The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing wants to move to a more flexible approach to the evaluation of medicines for end-of-life care and rare conditions and he wants to increase access to new medicines, which is good. The committee and the cabinet secretary are on the same page, but we need to see the detail, which is where the devil lurks, as always.

The Scottish Government says that value-based pricing will not be delivered. It believes that the pricing element of pharmaceutical price regulation is a reserved matter but medicines assessment is devolved, and it will develop a new value-based assessment, or VBA, process for Scotland.

As a first step, the SMC has begun to look at the evaluation of orphan, ultra-orphan and end-of-life medicines. That is to include a review of the wider aspects of value and QALYs to increase access to those medicines. The report states that the SMC is due to report its findings to the cabinet secretary before Christmas. As somebody once said,

“I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by”.

Let this please be one of those deadlines that we are able to stick to. That is particularly important for those who have been diagnosed with these conditions last week or today, or who will be diagnosed with them tomorrow or next week. Some consideration should be given to how the system operates in the transitional phase, but we need to stick to the deadline.

The IPTR system is being replaced with a new peer approved clinical system—PACS. We are told that guidance will be published shortly and I seek assurances that the old double act of “postcode” and “lottery” are not reunited by PACS.

In all honesty, it is hard to tell whether the committee’s recommendations will be matched by the new systems, as we are short of information. I would be grateful if the cabinet secretary could offer some clues about timescales.

We are told that the rare conditions medicines fund will continue until 2016, but it is still unclear whether the £20 million is an annual budget or total funding until 2016. I would be obliged if the cabinet secretary could elaborate.

The Scottish Government agrees that there should be scope for a temporary pause in the appraisal process to permit further dialogue with the manufacturer. That was a recommendation from Routledge and the committee welcomed it. The Scottish Government says that a pause would allow a confidential discussion with the manufacturer about cost through a new or improved patient access scheme. However, no picture has yet emerged of how the scheme will look.

I have another one for the cabinet secretary, who I appreciate is listening patiently—I hope that he is not getting writer’s cramp as a result of taking notes.

There is to be £1 million of funding for the SMC’s engagement with the public and the pharmaceutical industry, but it is not clear whether more money would be required following the development of VBA.

Scepticism is a good thing, but let us give credit where credit is due. I sense that the direction in which we are heading is the right one. The frustration, for me, is that we have yet to arrive.

I want to say something more about the cost side. It is clear that the Scottish Government considers there to be a devolved element in that regard, and I want to make a couple of observations. In March, the chief executive officer of GlaxoSmithKline described the often-mentioned $1 billion research and development price tag as

“one of the great myths of the industry”.

I think that that is significant and interesting. Doctors Without Borders said:

“It is true that innovative new drugs can change the way we treat people and we need more of them. But innovation is of little use if people cannot access new treatments because they are so expensive.”

The pricing of medicines is, in many ways, a global issue. The issue is big, complex and deeply emotive—we had better believe it.

I commend the inclusive and listening approach of the person who will speak next in the debate. We have come a long way, policy-wise, in the past 18 months. Things have moved relatively quickly since the committee took evidence, and we welcome announcements. However, things can never move quickly enough for people who are diagnosed with rare conditions and terminal diseases. Three months is a lifetime to such people.

I hope that the cabinet secretary will report back to us on progress by December. Perhaps he can give us that undertaking. The committee believes that we can improve the processes. We can remove some of the bumps in what clinicians call the patient journey, and we can devise a system that is fair, objective, transparent, robust and within our means.

We need to ensure that there is access for all people who have orphan and ultra-orphan and life-threatening diseases. That is what people petitioned the Parliament for. We owe them nothing less and they deserve nothing less.

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Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Not just now.That some 3,500 Scots, some inevitably no longer with us, were unable to access drugs in their home country is a regret that I feel very persona...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member give way?
Jackson Carlaw Con
I need to make progress.Will the current catch-22 situation, whereby a medicine must be within licence but outside an SMC restriction, be resolved? How does ...
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Health and Sport Committee, I am delighted to speak in this important debate. I acknowledge the cross-party consensus that underpins the c...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I join the petitioners and external organisations in welcoming the announcement that was made yesterday, although, as Beat Bowel Cancer said, the devil is in...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I will start by thanking the convener of the Health and Sport Committee, Duncan McNeil, who encapsulated the committee’s thinking in his opening speech. He c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
I ask members to ensure that their mobile devices are switched off, unless they are being used to deliver a speech, in which case they should be on silent.15:37
Ken Macintosh (Eastwood) (Lab) Lab
I will begin with a tale of two constituents who live less than two miles apart in Newton Mearns and who both suffer from the very rare blood disease paroxys...
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to the petitioners who came to the Public Petitions Committee to raise their concerns in Parliament. I have played quite a unique role in the p...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
As other members have done, I welcome the reforms that have been announced and, in particular, I welcome the tone of the debate. Members have mentioned the £...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
We live in a time when, increasingly, new drugs are coming on stream that can not only prolong the lives of patients with metastatic cancer and other termina...
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As a member of the Health and Sport Committee, I too am happy to take part in this debate, which is on a matter of great importance to the people of Scotland...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Duncan McNeil and the Health and Sport Committee on their excellent report and I commend the Routledge and Swainson reviews, which made a help...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I have a point of information, which Mr Stewart was perhaps going to address. I am sure that he is about to highlight that there are difficulties with the th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
I can reimburse David Stewart’s time.
David Stewart Lab
The member is quite right about modifiers and in the point that he made, which I was going to touch on.NICE looked at extending the QALY system to ultra-orph...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
Before I call Willie Coffey, I remind members that after his speech we will move to the closing speeches. I expect all members who participated in the debate...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
In more than 20 years as an elected member trying to help local people with a variety of issues, I think that I can say that this issue has proved to be the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We come to the closing speeches.16:22