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Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP Chamber
19 Dec 2002
Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As the first member to speak in this debate who is not a member of the Rural Development Committee, I commend the committee for its report. The report was honest in seeking agreement where that was possible and in reflecting some of the difficulties in what is a complex area.A...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Some of my questions have been covered, but I want to pick up on the last point about the potential inhibition of investment in land that is owned, on the basis of fear of future risk, as you would see it.I do not begin to understand this. I take your point that there is no im...
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The point has been made, but I want to return to it later.An area of confusion that was raised in a briefing yesterday is the difference between the valuation of the land and the price that the land gets. Am I right in saying that, in most cases, the value that you put on land...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP Committee
08 Oct 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
There are three separate parts to this. Amendments 295, 296, 297 and 298 all make essentially the same point. The point at issue is whether we restrict section 22 to the definition of "ploughed" or whether we should insert the phrase, "subject to land management". The logic of...
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are obviously personally committed to land reform, and probably to more radical land reform than is provided for in the bill. You have stated today that you think that, in and of themselves, the changes in the community ownership provisions would unleash an entrepreneurial...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
25 Jun 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I do not support amendment 66. As Murdo Fraser has, in fact, identified, we do not need the amendment. I am unclear about which aspects of the purpose for which the land is used are not already covered by existing section 2(3). It would be useful if Murdo Fraser could spell ou...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
04 Sep 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have only one comment to make. I accept almost everything that the minister has said on this group of amendments, with the exception of amendment 188, which will remove the phrase "or associated". An example that jumps to mind is a church manse where there is an associated p...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
30 Oct 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have a brief point. Amendment 221 would amend section 47(3)(d). However, section 47(3)(c) states that the minister would have to be convinced"that what the community body proposes to do with the land is compatible with the sustainable use and development of the land".I am cu...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
20 Mar 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will not give way at this point.Much of the debate in the committee and in the chamber today established the fact that the position is unclear. If that is the case, legislation could be a clarifying force.I agree more with some of the comments that Conservative members have ...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
23 Jan 2003
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Conflicting evidence was certainly given, but the RICS witnesses were also unable to tell the committee why Bill Aitken's example of double glazing could not be factored into market value. The committee heard no convincing evidence that improvements on land would be stunted as...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Several questions flow from that answer. You make the point that the bill does not necessarily increase the diversity of land ownership but simply emphasises one aspect of that diversity. If I play devil's advocate, I could ask why your definition of what is important or your ...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Some other submissions suggested that future private investment for the improvement of land would be hindered because of fears connected with the right to buy. I confess that I am again confused. Why would any improvement not be factored into the market rate that would be used...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand that. That brings us on to the main objection in your submission, which says:"We reject … the assertion that because a community body wishes to acquire an area of land, and can make a case of doing so, then there is to be a presumption that this is to be in that c...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Section 26(1) states:"Scottish Natural Heritage may take such steps … as appear to it appropriate to protect the natural heritage of land in respect of which access rights are exercisable."That is perhaps necessarily vague, but it helpfully adds that those steps"may include th...
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Indeed, but presumably the initial cost is partly defrayed by the fact that utility is derived from the land for the duration that the owner has it.
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Would I be right to say that if the money is disbursed according to the same policy objectives, the land fund will get £10 million?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
30 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will trim my question to the basics. It is on valuation. We have heard evidence suggesting that it is unlikely that improvements to a piece of land would be made, on the ground that the cost of that improvement would not be recovered in the valuation price. No doubt you have...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
30 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a related question that concerns what happens once the valuation has been done. You will be familiar with cherry-picking—that is, a community choosing a particular piece of land and leaving a remnant piece, which leads to a need for compensation for loss of value becaus...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
30 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Although it will take us slightly backwards to the need for registration, I want to ask about sustainable development. In our previous evidence session, Jim Hunter from HIE was asked about the criteria for registration. Section 35(1)(b)(ii) refers to the need for sustainable d...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
04 Sep 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The minister will probably want answers to some specific questions, although we are not going to vote on the amendments. Perhaps we should put those questions on the record today to come back to. There was the question whether Murdo Fraser was going to withdraw amendment 111. ...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
24 Sep 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I seek clarification from the minister on golf courses. He referred to access when a golf course is in use, so does he support the deletion of section 9(1)(e)? If he does not, can he explain why not? The issue is wider than section 9(1)(e). I refer the minister to section 6(f)...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The minister claims that it would be contrary to the ECHR to preclude a valuer from taking certain factors into account. I am, therefore, slightly at a loss to understand the logic of amendment 455. The minister will correct me if I am wrong, but amendments 451 and 452 include...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
We are still debating amendments 452 and 455. I may be being monumentally thick—if I am, the minister will not be slow to tell me—but is the minister saying that, because he is putting in the provision and then taking it out, there is no inconsistency? Will he explain why he i...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Can the minister clarify whether Bill Aitken is correct when he says that there is no right to appeal against decisions of the Land Court? I should probably know the answer to that question, but I do not.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As far as I understand it, the minister said that a decision of the Land Court could be appealed in the Court of Session. Is that correct, minister?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
However, in legislation that could be contentious, would not it be fair and open-minded to allow appeal beyond the Land Court?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
05 Nov 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Yes. What would happen if the Land Court considered that a question was irrelevant and its decision was disputed?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
29 May 2002
Air Links
Alasdair Morrison suggested that the Western Isles were somehow in good shape and that the people whom he represents are happy with the situation. I refer him to last week's Stornoway Gazette, in which the headline on the comment page was "Let's have action on air fares". The ...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
09 Oct 2002
Future of Air Transport
I will not, as there is not enough time.The Executive could act on the punitive costs. I am not sure whether Bristow Muldoon or another member mentioned the fact that passenger volume at Inverness airport has grown by 6 per cent. We should contrast that with what has happened ...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP Chamber
22 Jan 2003
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I shall be brief. I ask the minister to answer two specific questions in his summing up. I support the Executive's amendments and I particularly welcome the minister's support for amendment 66B. However, will he reflect on some of the examples that have been given in the debat...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
23 Jan 2003
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
We now have confirmation that they are wrecking amendments. The only thing that we can praise Mr Aitken for is his consistency, as he has tried to thwart this part of the bill from stage 1 and he is trying to do so all the way to the bitter end. However, some of his comments h...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Chamber
23 Jan 2003
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The SNP supports entirely the Executive's position on amendment 6 because it would have the effect of debarring any further application for five years if an application were withdrawn. That seems unnecessarily restrictive, which is presumably precisely why it has been proposed...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
From your books and submissions, it is obvious that you feel a sense of frustration that what we are doing is not radical enough. I am curious to know whether you are unhappy with the bill because you think that the twin aims that it sets out, although laudable, are not the ma...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a final question. Two proposals have been put forward—the extension of powers of compulsory purchase and, at the other end of the scale, tax breaks to encourage landowners to sell to local communities. What do you think about those proposals?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What do you think about the proposal that the power of compulsory purchase should be extended? There is some debate about whether that is a good idea. What do you think about tax breaks to encourage landowners to sell to local communities?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No, but tax breaks have been perceived as an additional solution.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I was confused by what Mr Fox said about valuation. I would like to have some points clarified on the record. You said that you had a problem with section 56(1) because of the absence of a facility for an individual who was willing to pay more than the market value. However, y...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We may be going round in circles, so I will not pursue this. However, I am still left in some confusion as to why you have a problem with the drafting of the bill.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Despite the triple check?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
But you would be interested in the valuation procedures.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand, but, in principle, there is no reason, as far as you are concerned, why the valuer would not take into account the new market rate caused by the private investment. So, in principle, there is no reason why there should be a hindrance to private investment.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is it fair to say that—like Andy Wightman, strangely enough—you believe that part 2 of the bill will have only a limited impact, because few properties come on to the market? That is why he is against that part of the bill and why you are for it.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The basic point is that part 2 of the bill would have a limited impact and therefore you are happy to try to maintain the status quo for as long as possible. Is that a fair representation of your position?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Do you have any evidence to suggest that such communities would not behave responsibly?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
With respect, that does not address my question. Your submission is crystal clear: there is no comparative assessment of benefits to the community or any statutory basis on which consideration of environmental or social objectives could be based. However, those points are spec...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Do you accept that there is a statutory basis for the consideration of social and environmental objectives and that those factors are specifically written into the bill?
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My next question may stem more from my ignorance than from anything else—if so, I am sure that you will tell me. I asked earlier about the argument that somehow future investment would be hindered by the right to buy. I do not understand that argument, because I do not see why...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Let us consider such examples. Is it not the case that part of the cost of making that investment is the utility that you derive in benefiting from the double glazing or the fencing, and that part of the cost is defrayed by your use, and that part of that is in the valuation? ...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So there is still a degree of uncertainty about the parameters.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay, but that raises the question whether the powers that you are given will be adequate to achieve what the title of the section rather boldly claims will be the protection of the natural heritage. What you are really talking about is providing information and hoping for the...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You do not think that you have been given a responsibility without being given the power to discharge it.
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Finally, do you envisage that circumstances could arise in which there might be a dispute concerning the exercise of those powers? We have already said that there is some vagueness about how wide ranging they might be. If there were the possibility of a dispute, would SNH have...
Mr Hamilton: SNP Committee
09 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes. Legislation always assumes the worst-case scenario. You would have no objection in principle to the inclusion of a right of appeal.
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My point arises from the Scottish Landowners Federation's submission, which by way of an example asked why someone would install double-glazing in their house if that would not add value to the house in the shorter term. Although that might be true, it is not necessarily a rea...
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes.
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So you refute the evidence that in the vast majority of cases the price received would exceed the valuation.
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
If I appealed to the Lands Tribunal and it gave a decision within a time period, what could I do if I disagreed with that decision?
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You said that the next opportunity for another slice of money to be added to the pot will be in 2004. How much money are you talking about?
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What proportion did the £10 million represent of the money that was initially available? In other words, what was the equivalent figure to the £160 million that you just mentioned?
Mr Duncan Hamilton: SNP Committee
23 Jan 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Therefore, under the medium forecast for 2004, we should get roughly £10 million again.
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Chamber

Plenary, 19 Dec 2002

19 Dec 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Hamilton, Mr Duncan SNP Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
As the first member to speak in this debate who is not a member of the Rural Development Committee, I commend the committee for its report. The report was honest in seeking agreement where that was possible and in reflecting some of the difficulties in what is a complex area.

As other members have said, vast parts of the bill have attracted cross-party agreement. There is crucial agreement about the problems surrounding tenancies and the need for diversity of ownership and land use. There is agreement about some of the bill's measures that will apply to new tenancies; those measures will allow the right balance between flexibility and the possibility of long-term investment, which is exactly what we want.

I want to draw attention to a couple of areas on which more work will definitely be required during the bill's future stages. The first area is the rental assessment. The Rural Development Committee's report makes the point that evidence was received that rent levels were driven more by the subsidy-attracting capacity of the land than by its overall profitability or farm income. That is a very interesting point from which to start. If we are now saying that it is in the nature of public subsidies that they potentially push private rents higher, that is an odd way of reflecting the public interest. I do not see who will benefit from such a system. If subsidies are the primary driver of rents, I suggest that more research and work is needed. Perhaps some of the stage 2 amendments and innovative ideas about forums can be acted on.

There is also the question of how to encourage the diversification that we are all keen to see. The Rural Development Committee was clear that substantial barriers to diversification exist. The phrase "non-agricultural use" and the threat of resumption of land on the back of that is something that the committee and the minister will want to tackle. Some sensible diversification is being unnecessarily blocked, which cannot be to the benefit of the rural economy.

How do we allow tenants to diversify? I note that a number of suggestions have been made, one of which is to use a prescribed list of allowable diversification—a mouthful at any time. I suggest that that is far too rigid a procedure. It seeks to dot all the i's and cross all the t's and to give to diversification an exact nature that is probably not appropriate. As I understand the procedure that is outlined in the bill, we will have a system whereby notification of any planned diversification can be given and there will be a right to object and appeal to the Scottish Land Court. That suggests that all the various players have an opportunity to have their say and to test what is the best way forward. That is a fair balance and the bill is right in that regard.

There were controversial areas about which there was no agreement, particularly with regard to the right to buy. I support firmly the pre-emptive right to buy, which will impose a fair balance once a property is on the market. We should reflect on the fact that in the National Farmers Union of Scotland's survey of opinion—although some members doubted the result—82 per cent of NFUS members supported the pre-emptive right to buy including, importantly, 75 per cent of the landowners they asked. That is a useful statistic to have on public record because it shows that it is possible to build consensus on the issue. As Rhoda Grant suggested, in many cases all the bill will do is give a statutory basis to good practice, which is to be encouraged.

With regard to the absolute right to buy, the committee has acknowledged that however sympathetic many members might be to that right, the case for it is probably not proven. Substantial issues remain to be resolved about the reduction in confidence in letting land. There are questions about the ECHR and about public interest and there are questions about investment in land. That is not to say that the Rural Development Committee might not come to a consensus at a later stage in the bill's progress and resolve to support the absolute right to buy. As matters stand, we can support the principles at stage 1, but it is an absolute requirement at stage 2 that the committee come back to the Parliament with some answers to those very important questions.

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh): Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3396, in the name of Ross Finnie, on the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill, and on one amendment to t...
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson): Lab
I am pleased to open the debate. I have a sore throat, but will continue my Satchmo impersonation.This is the first opportunity for the Parliament to discuss...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
Is it not the case that any landowner who objected could put in a written objection under section 35(9)(iii)? That was the committee's point. The description...
Allan Wilson: Lab
Yes. The bill now includes provisions that allow the landlord to grant consent subject to conditions. We intend to make it clear in the bill that the Land Co...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP): SNP
I fully accept that the issues are complex, but does the minister agree that the mischief to be corrected relates to past agreements? Will he advise whether ...
Allan Wilson: Lab
I understand Mr Ewing's point but, to a certain extent, he answered it himself when he referred to complex legal issues. I suspect that those are, indeed, th...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con): Con
Does the minister accept that the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill is likely to lead to a reduction in the value of land in Scotland? As that value curr...
Allan Wilson: Lab
No. I will come to the issue of blight when I come to the absolute right to buy, which is supported by some but not by others. I have been struck by the enth...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
Will the minister give way?
Allan Wilson: Lab
I would like to, but I am out of time.I have much more to say, but I will say it in my closing speech. The bill is fundamentally about much more than the ten...
Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
While sympathising with the minister's hoarse voice, I must congratulate him on what I assume was an excellent rendition at the karaoke at last night's Labou...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
As Alex Fergusson opposes the pre-emptive right to buy, does he also oppose the rights of pre-emption that feudal superiors hold and have held for centuries?
Alex Fergusson: Con
That is a matter of legal contract. As a lawyer, Fergus Ewing should certainly know that.The sentiments that Ross Finnie expressed in May 2000 were right the...
Allan Wilson: Lab
Does Alex Fergusson accept that the introduction of the pre-emptive right to buy is beneficial if landlord and tenant are willing to participate, because the...
Alex Fergusson: Con
I fully support such sales where there is a willing buyer and a willing seller, but why on earth do we need legislation for that? As I said, available land i...
Fergus Ewing: SNP
Oh, come on.
Alex Fergusson: Con
It is true. Such an absolute right to buy is a right to expropriation—a right that will ensure that even the new tenancies that the bill envisages never even...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP): SNP
I start by thanking the clerks, in particular Mark Brough, for the excellent work that they did in helping the Rural Development Committee produce its stage ...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
The Liberal Democrats recognise that there is broad support across all sectors of the agriculture industry for the proposals that are contained in the bill.I...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
I thank the member for giving way. He is clearly an enthusiast of the bill, which I very much welcome. Will he explain why he voted against the committee's r...
Mr Rumbles: LD
Stewart Stevenson has raised the issue, so I will explain. Fergus Ewing said that 95 per cent of the report had general agreement—indeed it did. On 26 Novemb...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab): Lab
Perhaps you could tell me how long I have, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
You will have to keep quite tightly to four minutes.
Rhoda Grant: Lab
Thank you.I am pleased that the vast majority of the bill is not controversial and that many organisations are signing up to the new form of tenancies that w...
Alex Johnstone (North-East Scotland) (Con): Con
Will the member accept an intervention?
Rhoda Grant: Lab
I honestly do not have time, because I have a lot to say.Some landowners, many of whom are now rushing into dialogue with tenant farmers, have used every tri...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
As the first member to speak in this debate who is not a member of the Rural Development Committee, I commend the committee for its report. The report was ho...
Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
Every form of flexibility must be used to keep the Scottish agricultural sector competitive. For that reason alone, I am pleased that the bill seeks to addre...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: Con
Yes—thank you very much.
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab): Lab
Like Duncan Hamilton, I am pleased to speak in this debate although I am not a member of the Rural Development Committee. However, I have constituents who ha...