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Des McNulty: Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
Alasdair Morgan is absolutely right. We must improve members' awareness of the budget to help them to perform their role more effectively. That can be done by training and by improving the layout of information, for example. We must also find more effective ways of making the ...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 Dec 2003
Budget Process 2004-05: Stage 2
The pre-Christmas budget debate promises new treats as well as old favourites this year. As last year, Rab McNeil will have to strap himself into his seat to endure 11 minutes from me on the Finance Committee's budget report. However, I am pleased to say that we will not be wi...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
27 Jun 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I am pleased to speak to the Finance Committee's report on stage 1 of the 2003-04 budget process. I begin by offering my thanks and the thanks of members of the committee to the Finance Committee clerks and to the clerks of the Parliament's subject committees, who have made su...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
21 Dec 2005
Budget Process 2006-07
I commend the Finance Committee's report to the Parliament. It is a serious, reasoned and carefully written report, which was supported unanimously by members of the committee. The context from which we start is the budget priorities that are set by ministers. The Finance Comm...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
I thank the Parliament for this opportunity to open the debate on the Finance Committee's stage 2 report on the 2002-03 budget process. Since the commencement of stage 2 of the process, my predecessor as convener of the Finance Committee, Mike Watson, has been appointed Minist...
The Convener: Lab Committee
09 Sep 2003
Item in Private
The reason was to enable a proper flow of argument among members of the committee on matters of disagreement. In my time on the committee, I cannot remember a time when there has been disagreement among committee members in debates on financial memoranda, but meetings might be...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
10 Jan 2006
Subordinate Legislation
I begin the first Finance Committee meeting of 2006 by welcoming the minister, his officials, the press and the public. I provide my usual reminder to turn off mobile phones and pagers.We have apologies from Wendy Alexander, whom we will not see for some time. She remains a me...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
17 Apr 2002
Local Government Covenant
I am not convinced by the covenant mechanism. Good relations between local government and the Parliament should arise through good practice in the committees. I am not sure that the covenant adds much to that. It is written in old-fashioned, portentous language that jars a wee...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
22 Jun 1999
Remit
It might be useful for members of the committee to have a general briefing on the Nolan rules and perhaps the associated Cadbury and Greenbury procedures. They do not apply directly to us, but I think that a straightforward briefing on the Nolan committee and its various modif...
Des McNulty: Lab Chamber
31 Jan 2001
Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
There is something entirely bizarre about Brian Monteith's arguments. Let me turn to the new politics. It is worth placing on record some of the findings of the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee—of which Brian Monteith is not a member and which I joined only recently,...
The Deputy Minister for Social Justice (Des McNulty): Lab Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Building (Scotland) Bill
Sometimes the most non-controversial bills turn out to be the best ones. I believe that the Building (Scotland) Bill will significantly enhance and streamline the regulatory regime that covers building in Scotland, which will benefit not just builders and building standards of...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
23 Dec 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
This is my third speech in the graveyard slot in end-of-year budget debates, but it is the first when I do not have to worry about what Rab McNeil will have to say about me in The Scotsman the next day. Unlike Rab McNeil, I probably cannot promise to be entertaining, but I wil...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
27 Feb 2002
Finance Committee Inquiry (PFI/PPP)
The Finance Committee has conducted a fairly in-depth inquiry into PFI/PPP. Before completing that project, we will consider some examples of PFI and PPP projects. We have taken three categories: health projects, education projects and what might be roughly called infrastructu...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Committee
13 Nov 2002
Cairngorms National Park
It is worth bearing in mind the history of the situation. The reason why the Transport and the Environment Committee was not the lead committee for consideration of the National Parks (Scotland) Bill was that, at that time, we were considering the Transport (Scotland) Bill. Th...
Des McNulty: Lab Chamber
23 Dec 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
I think that Mr Adam was a member of the committee when we started down the route of undertaking cross-cutting reviews. The two cross-cutting reviews that we undertook in the previous session of Parliament were very useful; this session's committee has continued the process an...
Des McNulty: Lab Chamber
26 Jan 2006
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 1
I would have thought that, as an accountant, Jim Mather would realise that that is more or less standard business practice. It is strange that he takes exception to it.Progress has been made in progressing major capital projects. The schools regeneration project has been imple...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
22 Jan 2009
Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
One characteristic of the environment portfolio and of the work of the Rural Affairs and Environment Committee is that some of the legislation that emerges is complex and requires detailed consideration by members and experts from a variety of specialisms. I hope that, through...
The Convener: Lab Committee
15 Jan 2002
Financial Scrutiny
I asked for this item to be put on the agenda because I think that we should reflect on how the Parliament's first budget processes have been conducted and decide whether we are content with the procedures that are involved.The Finance Committee inherited the financial issues ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
23 Sep 2003
Scottish Parliament<br />Building Project<br />(Commercial Confidentiality)
It is not for this committee to suggest to the Audit Committee what it should do. It is clear that there is a separation of roles between the Finance Committee and the Audit Committee and that the responsibilities of the Audit Committee are clear. If issues emerge from our tes...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Oct 2003
Petition
Agenda item 3 is consideration of petition PE670, from the Public and Commercial Services Union, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to investigate the Scottish Executive's decision to relocate the headquarters of Scottish Natural Heritage to Inverness. Members have a note ...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
11 May 2004
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning. I welcome the press and public to the 15th meeting of the Finance Committee in 2004. I remind people to switch off all pagers and mobile phones. We have apologies from Wendy Alexander.Agenda items 1 and 2 are on consideration of a draft Scottish statutory instrum...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 May 2004
Point of Order
I treat the matter that Fergus Ewing has raised as a procedural issue and I respond to it in the following terms. I do not think that the clerk said that the matter is incompetent. The issue concerns the application of the "Guidance for the Operation of Committees", the second...
The Convener: Lab Committee
26 Oct 2004
Budget Process 2005-06
It is emerging that we require to be more gender sensitive not just when we are considering budgets, but during the policy development process. Those two strands need to be coupled.Irene Graham suggested in her opening remarks that the committee could ask for reports from the ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 May 2005
Reporter (Health Committee)
The third item on the agenda is consideration of whether the committee should appoint a reporter to the Health Committee as that committee undertakes its post-legislative inquiry into the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 and the Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Jan 2006
Subordinate Legislation
I will make a few comments, initially picking up on the point that Derek Brownlee just made. It is probably not reasonable to expect the process of scrutinising budget revisions to provide the kind of strategic overview that he suggests. Over the course of the year or of the s...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Jun 2006
Accountability and Governance Inquiry
We have talked about financial resolutions and the committee's perception that they tend to be introduced even when they are criticised, because if we move against them a whole bill could be lost. For example, the committee had very serious concerns about the dentistry aspects...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
09 Jun 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I know that time is pressing, convener, but I have three arguments to make. The first relates to the consistency of the parliamentary approach. In the previous session, a sustained consultation was undertaken on the Environmental Levy on Plastic Bags (Scotland) Bill, which was...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
24 Feb 2000
Code of Conduct
I add my thanks to those of the chief enforcer, Mike Rumbles, and the other members of the committee who spoke—Karen Gillon, Lord James Douglas-Hamilton and Tricia Marwick—both to the fellow members of the Standards Committee who did not speak and to the clerking team. There w...
The Convener: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
When a member of the Finance Committee happens also to be a member of another committee, we could get that person to liaise with the committee concerned. For example, I am a member of the Transport and the Environment Committee. I could articulate what the Finance Committee is...
The Convener: Lab Committee
07 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04 (Committee Reports)
Agenda item 3 relates to the budget process. The clerk has issued a paper that details the discussions that the committee had at its meeting on 13 November 2001 on whether consideration of subject committee budget reports should be in private.At the time, the general feeling w...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Jun 2003
Budget Adviser
I caution members that there is only a small pool of people who have the relevant skills and expertise. In the past, some of the people whom we have approached have for their own reasons been unavailable to take on what is an onerous set of responsibilities.I joined the previo...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Jun 2003
Scottish Parliament Building Project
Okay. Our first agenda item is the committee's on-going scrutiny of the Holyrood building project. We will take evidence from witnesses: Paul Grice, who is clerk and chief executive of the Scottish Parliament; Robert Brown MSP, who is a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Cor...
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Jun 2003
Work Programme
I believe that I made it clear that we are pre-booking the dates. The "blank days", as Fergus Ewing puts it, are dates on which I anticipate we will have to meet and engage in detailed scrutiny. The present problem is to identify which bills will emerge and in which order. Fou...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
16 Sep 2003
Scottish Parliament<br />Finance Committee<br />Tuesday 16 September 2003<br />(Morning)
I open the Finance Committee's sixth meeting of this parliamentary session. I welcome the press and the public and remind members to switch off their pagers and mobile phones. We have received apologies from Fergus Ewing.I welcome Susan Duffy, who has been appointed as the new...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 May 2004
Point of Order
I will make one important point of clarification. The precedent in the Social Inclusion, Housing and Voluntary Sector Committee to which Fergus Ewing referred related to an entirely different situation. The minority report that we are discussing was made available two weeks af...
The Convener: Lab Committee
09 Sep 2004
Public Sector Jobs Relocation Debate
As members know, on Wednesday 15 September there will be a debate in the chamber on the committee's report into the relocation of public sector jobs. I put the item on the agenda because the Executive has not yet sent a response to the committee's report. Paragraph 17 of the p...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
06 Nov 2006
Budget Process 2007-08
I welcome committee members, the press and the public. We have received apologies from Wendy Alexander, who cannot be with us. I also welcome Alasdair Morgan to our meeting. He is a former deputy convener of the committee and is here as a regional member for the South of Scotl...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
10 Jun 2008
Budget Process (Review)
We need to be realistic about what the Finance Committee and the financial scrutiny process can do. Neither can replace the role of Government in leading the choices that are going to be made, and that is part of the democratic process. We let someone into government and they ...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
20 Sep 2000
Public Petitions (Procedure)
I take quite a robust view on this matter. The Public Petitions Committee should either change its ways or be abolished. It currently acts as nothing more than a postbox that refers petitions to relevant committees and does no evidently useful work. It has been argued that pet...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
23 Jan 2002
Water Industry (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The committee's view has been that it should not agree to the principle of a general relief scheme for charities, which is what amendment 83 proposes. The committee's report on our initial inquiry into water and the water industry recommended that "a new more targeted relief s...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Committee
20 Nov 2002
Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I spoke on issues relating to amendment 24 last week, so in recognition that we do not want to spend a lot of time in groundhog day, I will not repeat every point that I made.The objective is to gear the bill more explicitly towards the idea of sustainability, which embraces e...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
15 Dec 1999
Cross-party Groups
The Standards Committee, a bit like the Procedures Committee, is a committee that works in the undergrowth, or behind the scenes. Only occasionally are its issues debated in the chamber. I am therefore pleased that a Standards Committee issue, which relates to the way in which...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
01 Apr 2009
Capital Investment Projects (Funding)
I begin by pointing out the most obvious contradiction in Linda Fabiani's speech. There was an earlier inquiry into capital procurement: it took place in 2001-02, at the time at which I became convener of the Finance Committee, a position that Mr Welsh now holds.During the inq...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
18 Jun 2009
Review of SPCB Supported Bodies Committee Bill Proposal
Unlike most of the previous speakers, I was not a member of the Review of SPCB Supported Bodies Committee. That was probably a deliberate move on the part of those who allocated members to the committee, given that I have some well-recognised concerns about the way in which th...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Chamber
24 Jun 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill
Like other members, I begin by expressing my particular thanks to the clerks. I probably caused them more late nights and problems than anyone else did at stages 1 and 2, although I probably did not quite do so at stage 3. I am conscious that giving the clerks more work had co...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Committee
19 Nov 2003
Petitions
I think that I am in the same position as other members, in that an existing sewage works in my area has been producing odours for a long time. The works have recently been renewed and the smell periodically worsens. Moreover, there is a proposal for a significant extension to...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Scottish Parliament<br />Finance Committee<br />Thursday 23 May 2002
Welcome to the 11th meeting this year of the Finance Committee, which is being held in Orkney. Prior to this formal meeting, we had a series of informal briefings from various interests groups in Orkney, with two members of the committee involved in each of three workshops. I ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Nov 2002
Budget 2003-04
Thank you. In drawing the session to a close, I want to thank all the participants and the members for the useful meeting that we have had this morning as a result of the workshop sessions. In response to Jamie McGrigor's last question, we get input from the Education, Culture...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Jun 2003
Work Programme
I am the final member of the committee to speak on this matter. I think that we need to get a real sense of what our work load is likely to be, particularly over the first three months after the recess. Members will be aware that the budget process normally goes from March to ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
02 Sep 2003
Item in Private
Agenda item 1 is to seek the committee's agreement to take item 5 in private. When the committee scrutinises draft legislation, it always seeks to report to the lead committee in advance of that committee taking evidence from the minister. As the Health Committee is due to tak...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Nov 2003
Subordinate Legislation
We now move to agenda item 3, which is consideration of a draft Scottish statutory instrument, which seeks to amend the Budget (Scotland) Act 2003. As well as the draft order, the committee has before it the budget document setting out the background to the proposed revision. ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
15 Nov 2004
Subordinate Legislation
For the record, I note that the committee is considering a Scottish statutory instrument that seeks to amend the Budget (Scotland) Act 2004. The committee also has before it the budget documents that set out the background to the proposed revision.The Subordinate Legislation C...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
08 Feb 2005
Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Bill:<br />Financial Memorandum
Good morning, everyone. I remind members and others that all pagers and mobile phones should be switched off. This is the Finance Committee's fifth meeting of 2005. Our first agenda item is consideration of the financial memorandum to the Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotl...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
28 Jun 2005
Interests
I open the 17th meeting in 2005 of the Finance Committee, which will be our last meeting before the recess. I welcome Tavish Scott and congratulate him on his elevation to the Cabinet. I think that this will be his last appearance in his existing role.I welcome the press and t...
The Convener (Des McNulty): Lab Committee
07 Nov 2005
Budget Process
I formally open the 24th meeting of the Finance Committee in 2005. I gave an introduction at the beginning of our informal session at 20 past 9 this morning, but now that we have moved into our formal meeting, I thank all those who took part in our informal workshops. We will ...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
I am delighted to be at the Justice 1 Committee again—I seem to be becoming an ancillary member of it.In discussing the amendments in the group, it will be necessary for me to comment on those that the Executive has lodged because I must persuade the committee that my proposal...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
I associate myself with the comments that John Swinney relayed on behalf of the Finance Committee. The one point that I would like to add is that the Finance Committee did not call for a moratorium only in its most recent report; it did so some months ago.To some extent, the f...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab Committee
09 Oct 2002
Petition
I advocate strongly that we do whatever we can to get the matter into the Executive's hands as speedily as possible. The committee has gathered a substantial amount of evidence and taken on board a lot of information, both written and oral. That information and the committee's...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
05 Apr 2000
Models of Investigation
One option is to have an independent commissioner. We have a clear model for that at Westminster. An alternative model that we might want to consider would be a standards officer or legal adviser who would operate in a way that would be, at least in the initial stages, akin to...
Des McNulty: Lab Committee
05 Sep 2001
Sea Cage Fish Farming
I disagree with Fiona McLeod's proposal to hold not one but two committee inquiries. We must be conscious not only of the time constraints on this committee's work but of the limits of the committee's ability to consider highly technical areas. I do not see what the added valu...
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Plenary, 19 Dec 2001

19 Dec 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
McNulty, Des Lab Clydebank and Milngavie Watch on SPTV
Alasdair Morgan is absolutely right. We must improve members' awareness of the budget to help them to perform their role more effectively. That can be done by training and by improving the layout of information, for example. We must also find more effective ways of making the budget accessible to members of the general public. Local councils have taken some interesting initiatives in that regard, providing information about budget options and where the money goes. Perhaps the Finance Committee could consider that in relation to increasing our public accessibility and accountability.

It was helpful that the Minister for Finance and Local Government participated in public meetings throughout Scotland and took the opportunity to hear the voices of local communities from outside the central belt. It is important that not only committees are involved in that work but that ministers get out and about to explain what they are up to.

The report contains 14 recommendations and encompasses the recommendations of other committees, which were considered by the Finance Committee. The committee recommends that proposals are drawn up for mechanisms to ensure that spending by non-departmental public bodies, such as health boards, local government and other NDPBs, is in line with Executive priorities and programmes. Although that is easy to say, it is hard to do—we should aspire to that.

The committee heard evidence about the lack of transparency in expenditure on health and local government. There is no doubt that we must examine that, particularly given the fact that health and local government are the two largest areas of expenditure in the budget. Lack of transparency is detrimental to ensuring high levels of accountability to the taxpayers of Scotland. Measures such as those recommended by the committee will enhance the accountability of Scottish agencies to the Scottish Parliament and I hope that they will reassure the public that they are getting value for money.

The committee also recommended that the electronic provision of information should be expedited in order to allow interested parties to drill down from the top level funding figures that are shown in the budget documents to local expenditure on local programmes. During stage 1, the committee heard first-hand evidence that suggested that initiative, which was reinforced by evidence that we heard in Kirkcudbright.

The committee concurred with the premise that it is difficult for individuals to relate weighty budget documentation to their own affairs and local communities. It is up to us to do something about that. The committee believes that we might not assist people if we were to provide further detail in large documents—in fact, it might be detrimental if we were to do so. Accordingly, the committee believes that the electronic provision of such information would aid the retrieval and handling of information and would make it readily accessible throughout Scotland.

The subject committees' reports to the Finance Committee raised numerous matters. The Rural Development Committee noted its desire to be advised of methods by which an estimate might be made of the amount and impact of expenditure on rural areas by Executive departments. If the Finance Committee's recommendation on the electronic provision of information about local expenditure on local programmes were to be implemented, the record level of spending in rural areas by the Executive would become more apparent.

The committee's consideration of the budget highlighted concerns about underspending by departments. The committee identified some of those concerns in its stage 2 report, primarily because the level of underspend is on a par with the total spending plans in the draft budget for social justice, exceeds the spending plans for justice and rural affairs and represents more than four times the spending plans for sport and culture. Therefore, the committee was pleased to receive advice from the Executive that a process of quarterly reports back to ministers has been implemented. I hope that that will reduce the possibility of continuing underspending on such a scale. The measure that the Executive is taking should assist the monitoring of the degree of underspend, with a view to identifying reasons for spending allocated moneys and, if necessary, revising the way in which policy objectives and priorities are delivered.

I have already made the point that presentation of the budget documentation has been a concern of the committee since its inception. I think that all members recognise that significant improvements have been made, albeit that other modifications are required to enhance the usefulness of the documentation. As presentation of the information contained in the documentation develops, the committee will be able to devote more time and resources to scrutiny of the Executive's proposals. As we near the finalisation of the budget process in the Parliament's second budget, the Finance Committee is better placed to use the skills that it has developed through its previous inquiries.

There remains much scope for the committee to take the degree of scrutiny of the Executive's spending proposals to a higher level and, with that, to give the people of Scotland the reassurance that they want that their taxes are being spent effectively and judiciously.

Every member of the Parliament is aware of the findings of the recent Scottish social attitudes survey; it is incumbent on us all to work to reverse the negative perceptions of many Scots of the political process. I believe that the Finance Committee has a considerable role to play in that process and in the whole framework of financial scrutiny.

The initial FIAG report highlighted that there is a lot of virgin territory in which scrutiny and accountability can be developed. Within the scope of its constitution, the Parliament will be able to take that work forward. We are beginning to go down that route, but there is a considerable way to go. Members of the Finance Committee are entrusted with overseeing expenditure plans. We will continue to monitor them, but we will also want to monitor the way in which things are done so that we can secure real improvements.

I will conclude by saying some words about the future work of the Finance Committee. Next year, the committee will seek to judge departmental performance against the priorities that have been set by the Executive. We will consider the extent to which the spending plans reflect what the Executive has said that it will do. However, the committee will be able to measure whether public expenditure achieves its goals and how effectively departments perform only if priorities are clearly identified. The committee has been pleased that the Executive has shown itself to be genuinely enthusiastic to switch the focus of attention from what is spent to what is gained for that expenditure.

We are also pleased that the Minister for Finance and Public Services is promoting a move to priority-based budgeting among his departmental colleagues as a first step towards measuring outputs and outcomes in relation to spending. We hope that the departments will accept that that move is a necessary tool in performance management, not an additional burden. That move will improve the process for everybody. The minister can be commended for his effort and commitment on that subject. We can make good progress.

For our part, we accept that that process will take some time to come to fruition. It will not come in a single step, but as part of an evolving process. We are trying to move forward. We are getting the process right and we are beginning to get it more and more right. As the process develops, I hope that the Finance Committee will play an increasingly important role in the way in which the Parliament operates. I am delighted to commend the motion.

I move,

That the Parliament notes the 13th Report, 2001 of the Finance Committee on Stage 2 of the 2002-03 Budget Process (SP Paper 468) and notes the recommendations made by the Committee.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
We now proceed to the Finance Committee debate. Des McNulty, the convener, is introducing the committee's report on stage 2 of the budget process.
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab
I thank the Parliament for this opportunity to open the debate on the Finance Committee's stage 2 report on the 2002-03 budget process. Since the commencemen...
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP): SNP
I thought that Des McNulty would appreciate a break in his 20-minute marathon. Does the member agree that one problem with taking evidence around the country...
Des McNulty: Lab
Alasdair Morgan is absolutely right. We must improve members' awareness of the budget to help them to perform their role more effectively. That can be done b...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
The next speaker is Alasdair Morgan. The time limit on speeches from the back benches will be five minutes.
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP): SNP
I am sorry that Des McNulty sat down ahead of his allotted time, as I thought that he was just getting into his stride.I welcome to their new posts the conve...
The Deputy Minister for Finance and Public Services (Peter Peacock): Lab
Alasdair Morgan has been there.
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
Indeed, although I did not have anything to defend. Laughter. That comment can be taken in two ways.For Mr McNulty, the post of Finance Committee convener ho...
George Lyon (Argyll and Bute) (LD): LD
The member says that we are discussing only half a budget. Will it ever be possible for the SNP to make proposals about how it would spend that half before d...
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
There are two ways to respond to George Lyon's point. I could respond in a party-political knockabout way—the spirit in which the point was made. In that res...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con): Con
First, in common with other members who have spoken, I have thanks and plaudits to give out. I will start with the clerking team and the adviser to the Finan...
Andrew Wilson (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
At least they are consistent.
Mr Davidson: Con
If Mr Wilson says so.We have to ask ourselves, what is the budget process supposed to do? What is it supposed to deliver? The budget process is the Parliamen...
Andrew Wilson: SNP
Would not the focus on outcomes be enhanced if the Parliament and the Executive had control of not just some expenditure, but all expenditure and of not no t...
Mr Davidson: Con
I thought the member was giving his speech later. I was hoping that he might entertain us by pursuing the stuck-record approach to what goes on. If the Parli...
Andrew Wilson: SNP
I am grateful to the member for giving way twice. I concur with his position on the one-size-fits-all policy for Scotland. Why is he so keen to apply a one-s...
Mr Davidson: Con
I say to Mr Wilson that such comments become a bit tedious. I do not doubt that we will have a full-blown debate on that the next time he initiates a debate....
Alasdair Morgan rose— SNP
Mr Davidson: Con
I am nearing the end of my speech. Do I have time to take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): SNP
Yes.
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
I hear the member's comments and to some extent I agree with them, but how do they fit with the comments of his leader, Mr McLetchie, who said when the under...
Mr Davidson: Con
I think that Mr McLetchie's full comment was that if the Executive could not decide what to do with the underspend, it should give the money back until it ma...
Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD): LD
David Davidson has shown why he thinks that two and a half hours to debate £21 billion of spending is a waste of time. He has wasted the past 13 or 14 minute...
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
I realise that we will get the answer in the next 10 minutes, but will the member put forward any different ideas or are the Liberal Democrats joined symbiot...
Iain Smith: LD
Does the member mean that I should look in the dictionary to find out the meaning of "coalition"? When one is in a coalition, one shares priorities and works...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
The member seems confused. He seems to think that we are here to lay out our manifestos for the next election. Des McNulty's motion says: "That the Parliamen...
Iain Smith: LD
In due course I will make some comments about the report's recommendations. The Finance Committee is charged with looking at the Scottish Parliament's budget...
Mary Scanlon: Con
Has the member read the report?
Iain Smith: LD
Yes. I have read the report. We have more money for rural communities. We have improved public services through schemes such as the promotion fund to deal wi...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP) rose— SNP