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Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
23 Nov 2006
School Bus Safety
I thank Alex Neil for initiating this worthwhile debate. School bus safety for our primary and secondary students is sometimes overlooked, but it is extremely important. The Education Committee refers safety concerns to the Department for Transport time and again because the m...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
24 Jan 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry for success and health-promoting schools policies, which appear to have failed to increase uptake of school lunches? Howev...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill
We on this side of the chamber welcome the bill, which in partnership with parents and schools can only be of immense benefit to the health and well-being of future generations. I thank the clerks and the bill team for their support in preparing the bill.We all know the backgr...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I congratulate Hugh Raven on the food for life programme. Could you become a victim of your own popularity? I do not know whether you have experienced this in East Ayrshire, but many children complain about having to queue for school lunches. The big challenge we have is to en...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My comment is about a point that came up in previous evidence. We should not rush to the assumption that children that leave the school premises will always eat rubbish—many children go out and eat healthily. It is important that we encourage as many children as possible to st...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
15 Feb 2007
Education
The debate has been good. As another former teacher, I have experienced HMIE inspections, which I found to be fair, balanced and comprehensive, with any identified shortcomings followed up, often with necessary staff changes, as Peter Peacock said. HMIE's responsibility runs f...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
My view is that we can and should actively encourage children to stay in school at lunch time so that they can get involved in various activities and, one would hope, take up school lunches. Having worked in schools recently, I have seen the state of the resources in schools a...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The point was purely on the principle of trying to engage kids and get them to take school lunches.What impact do you think the duty on education authorities to promote school lunches will have on the uptake of school meals, considering the range of factors that influence whet...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
24 Jan 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I accept that stigma is a problem and was about to address the issue. I have taught in schools that operate a card system, to ensure anonymity, but let us make no mistake—the children know which kids are getting free school lunches. A lot of kids are not bothered about getting...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes, I want to ask about the thorny issue of the uptake of school meals. The hungry for success programme has not been a resounding success in getting more kids to take school lunches. Did the expert working group take account of the potential for higher standards resulting in...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
22 Mar 2007
Education
We should clarify that nothing of the sort could happen until there was full independence.We are faced with a number of options. The Lib-Lab pact is prepared to invest money, but it has failed to raise attainment levels. The SNP is prepared to spend money, but it would not hav...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That was not the thrust of what I was trying to do.I have another quick supplementary. From a teaching perspective, if schools offered lunch-time activities such as sports, would they give kids an incentive to stay within the school boundaries to take advantage of what was on ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I speak as a former—hopefully fun—maths teacher and a great fan of extracurricular activities. Can I take it from what you are saying that if more activities are offered over lunch, it is more likely that pupils will stay in school for lunch? That is what I believe in as well.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is a fair point. As I have said before, and as has been mentioned in evidence, if you can introduce attractions for kids to stay in school at lunch time, that will increase uptake, but then there is the queuing issue.
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
18 Jan 2007
Home Smart
I congratulate Linda Fabiani on securing this important debate.I want to start by discussing a bit of background. As we all know, the documentary "Cathy Come Home" had its 40th anniversary in December. Because of that, the Scottish Council for Single Homeless—which I will call...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to pick up on what Judith Gillespie said about rural schools. I am sure she is right about fairly remote schools, but I taught in Oban high school and Lochaber high school—
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As the good people of Shetland reminded us, the bill is about meals and snacks at school. What benefits will the proposed power for education authorities to provide snacks at school, either free or at a charge, bring to children?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I represent the Highlands and Islands, where we have the unusual situation of kids being picked up by bus sometimes before 8 o'clock in the morning. I do not know how practical it would be to provide breakfast when they arrive at school, just before they are taught. If the sch...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What happens outwith lunch time if activities take place before or after school? As schools are being given the opportunity to offer snacks as well, is it possible for pupils to get nutritious food when they participate in activities before or after school?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Given the recommendations in "Hungry for Success" that are aimed at improving the uptake of school meals, why are there still significant variations in the uptake of school meals between education authorities and between schools in the same education authority?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Feb 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Having witnessed limited resources in schools fairly recently—tattered textbooks, lack of information technology facilities and so on—I know that local authorities are struggling financially. I still remain to be persuaded that parents who can afford to pay for their children'...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
05 Dec 2006
“Workforce Plus” and “More Choices, More Chances”
I would like to follow up on what Ken Milroy and Jim Sweeney have said about early engagement. I am a former teacher, and I think that we should be engaging with kids at school a lot earlier. I have experienced some schools that have provided kids with good vocational opportun...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
13 Sep 2006
Adoption and Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Any issue concerning children must be tackled sensitively and examined with the utmost scrutiny. As other members have said, whatever decision we reach today must be driven by the best interests of the child. As a parent and a former teacher and children's panel member, I am o...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
23 Nov 2006
School Bus Safety
I had a major dispute with Argyll and Bute Council, which tried to alter the mileage limit for school bus travel from two miles to one mile. Would it be possible to actively encourage a fixing of the mileage limit for free bus travel, if not to put it on a statutory base?
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
24 Jan 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry; I would struggle to finish if I did. There is talk of banning foods. We need to influence the culture of nutrition in schools, but we should not be heavy handed—let us take a carrot and not a stick approach. Banning certain foods seems a little too prescriptive, pa...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have heard the arguments and I have listened carefully to the debate, especially Christine Grahame's speech.My major concern is the number of children who do not take up the free school meals to which they are currently entitled. We need to consider that issue seriously. I g...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am concentrating on lunches.I can see the arguments, but I believe that school resources will suffer if parents who can afford to pay for their children's school lunches are not required to pay for them.
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
15 Jun 2006
Migrant Workers (Highlands)
I thank Maureen Macmillan for bringing this valuable debate to the chamber.The history of the United Kingdom, Scotland and the Highlands and Islands has been characterised by millennia of migration from all over the world. That has been fused into our culture and it has create...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
09 Nov 2006
Housing Stock Transfer
Regrettably, the Executive has not managed the transfer adequately. By providing insufficient money for the new GHA, the Executive has created suspicion and doubt about the whole process. That is unfortunate, but I point out that vast improvements have been made for those who ...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
09 Nov 2006
Violence Against Women
We will be supporting the motion. The fact that many women in Scotland are still facing the horror of domestic abuse is an incredible statistic with Dickensian parallels. Throughout my investigations into this matter, I was appalled by some of the facts and figures that I came...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to ask about snacks—and I begin by saying that I am not an advocate of the Boris Johnson snacks policy.As a former teacher, I am slightly concerned about the idea of pupils having something to eat at any time of the day. That seems to be offering an open goal to pupils ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good. Finally, what are the reasons for not allowing free school meals to be provided for every pupil, as some of the consultation responses suggested?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have experience of a swipe-card system from the most recent school in which I taught. Such a debit system is a great way of preventing stigma. Kids stick money on to it and build up money, while kids who get free meals simply hand over the card and the other kids will not kn...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Executive has set the target that every school should become health promoting by 2007. It does not say when in 2007—I imagine around May. How realistic is that target?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are there practical and staff resource issues that education authorities may face if they seek to make full use of the power? I am thinking of issues such as the need to extend the school day so that kids can come in for breakfast, the need for extra catering staff, and the sa...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As we all know, the bill is not just about school lunches but snacks. What benefits to children will the proposed power of education authorities to provide snacks—either free or at a charge—bring?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You said that you had breakfast clubs, which might have resource implications, given that the school would have to open early. Would authorities face any practical or staff resource difficulties in making full use of the power? I am thinking along the lines of extra staff, suc...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I agree that breakfast is very important. I represent a constituency with a lot of rural schools. Do you foresee a problem for children in rural areas who have to leave home very early to get to school? Will they have time for breakfast before classes start?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This question is for John Watson in particular. Why do you suggest that authorities should be able to provide snacks outwith normal school hours?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are suggesting that education authorities should have a role during school holidays.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are you firmly of the opinion that uptake can be increased by providing free school meals?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Has that proved to be true in your school?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is there a problem with pupils going out of the school to buy fizzy drinks?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are the vast majority of pupils at your school happy about that?
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How would you respond to the concern of some witnesses that implementation of the regulations could lead to a drop in the uptake of school meals, particularly in secondary schools, bearing in mind the fact that the hungry for success initiative has not exactly resulted in a ma...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are suggesting that kids are queuing at chip shops, but we heard in evidence that it should not be assumed that all kids who choose to eat outside of school are eating unhealthy food.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
06 Dec 2006
Schools<br />(Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are there any lessons to be learned from the independent sector, which manages to keep its kids in school all lunch time?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Feb 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
All that I am saying is that there are people who can afford to pay for school lunches, and it would put unnecessary pressure on local authorities to relieve them of that.
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
17 Jan 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I agree.In July 2004, the Education Committee found Disclosure Scotland application delays of up to 12 weeks. In September 2002, a backlog crisis in England and Wales caused thousands of children to be sent home from school as staff were unable to work. Unvetted staff were the...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
07 Mar 2007
Football (Sectarianism)
I thank Alasdair Morrison, as well as other members, for bringing up this important issue. I recall with horror my only visit—in the early 1970s—to an old firm match, when the legendary Jim Baxter returned to Ibrox. I found the atmosphere of hate between the supporters electri...
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
14 Mar 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill
It seems illogical to me that parents who can afford to pay for school lunches should be relieved of that requirement when there are significant resource issues in schools.We fully support the bill and look forward to its early implementation.
Dave Petrie: Con Chamber
22 Mar 2007
Education
I had not realised that we have reached such an agreement, but I look forward to sending the minister a letter.If the results of the extra money that has been made available are not good enough, I want to know why that money is being wasted.The Executive wants to talk up the s...
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Plenary, 23 Nov 2006

23 Nov 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
School Bus Safety
Petrie, Dave Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
I thank Alex Neil for initiating this worthwhile debate. School bus safety for our primary and secondary students is sometimes overlooked, but it is extremely important. The Education Committee refers safety concerns to the Department for Transport time and again because the means to effect safety are reserved, but as school bus safety becomes a more pressing issue in local authorities it is our duty to highlight flaws in the system and to work to fix them.

As Alex Neil said, the Scottish School Board Association, supported by the Scottish Executive, provides a safe school travel pack that contains advice for school staff, parents and students on how to make the journey to and from school as safe as possible. However, that is not enough. Our duty as members of the Scottish Parliament is to ensure that legislation is in place to protect all Scotland's people. We need more than an advice pack to protect our youngest members of society and to keep them safe on the roads.

The issue's prominence was recently addressed by David Cameron, who created a working group in the Conservative party at Westminster to address school bus safety. We can do our part by putting our heads together and focusing on how we can improve the transportation system for Scotland's students.

Statistics tell us that in 2005 more than 700,000 students were enrolled in primary and secondary schools and that more than 150,000 of them travelled by bus each day. Legislation that the Conservative party introduced in the 1980s stipulates that coaches and minibuses must have seat belts available for every student when more than three children who are aged between three and 16 are being transported on organised trips. The legislation also specifies reflective school bus signs and hazard lights to alert oncoming motorists. Legislation from October 2001 requires all minibuses, coaches and buses to be manufactured with seat belts. Those regulations have been put in place to protect our children's best interests by addressing the availability of seat belts and by attempting to safeguard children as they get off and on the bus, but many other problems must be addressed if we are effectively to secure the safety of our children as they travel to school by bus.

All school districts have to worry about school bus safety. Urban schools benefit from well-lit streets and formal walkways that children can use on their trips to and from school. Special attention must be paid to rural schools, because children are often not afforded the same degree of safety there. Local authorities decide who is permitted to ride the bus to school. In some school districts, children under eight still walk two miles to school each day, while other students walk up to three miles each way. They often walk along dark pathways. With the seasonal change and early sunset, the dimly lit, unsupervised footpaths present imminent danger. We cannot sit by and allow our children to tempt fate daily.

If we insist that children continue their long walks to and from school, infrastructure must be inspected and lighting must be installed in poorly lit areas. Our priority is to protect our youngest members of society.

We must ensure that all students who take the bus to school use their seat belts at all times; that buses, minibuses and coaches are properly inspected and are up to date with safety regulations; and that bus drivers are adequately equipped with the knowledge and skill to transport students safely.

We might benefit from taking note of the yellow bus scheme in the United States. It stipulates that all buses are subject to safety standards on body and chassis construction, mirrors and exterior safety devices, which include stop signs that extend from the bus to halt oncoming traffic and warning lights to alert motorists of children boarding or leaving the bus. US bus drivers are also required to pass school bus driving tests before they are permitted to transport schoolchildren.

School bus safety should be a concern of every parent, student and authority in Scotland. We must acknowledge the changes that need to be made to ensure the safety of our children and actively pursue methods that allow such change.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh): Con
The final item of business tonight is a members' business debate on motion S2M-4833, in the name of Alex Neil, on school bus safety. The debate will be concl...
Motion debated,
That the Parliament notes that in certain local authority areas in Ayrshire and elsewhere there is a concern about the need to tighten up the rules and guide...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I begin by outlining briefly the existing legal framework on the issue, which is vital to the safety of children travelling to and from school. The Education...
Bruce Crawford (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
Does the member share my concern that although a person driving a private vehicle must have a passenger service vehicles licence to transport children in a b...
Alex Neil: SNP
Absolutely. That is another gap and another reason why the law needs to be substantially reviewed.The three Ayrshire local authorities' policy—it is also tha...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
I thank Alex Neil for initiating this worthwhile debate. School bus safety for our primary and secondary students is sometimes overlooked, but it is extremel...
Robin Harper (Lothians) (Green): Green
I have a little experience of driving school buses.
The Deputy Minister for Education and Young People (Robert Brown): LD
I am sure that Stewart Stevenson must have, too.
Robin Harper: Green
As a teacher, I used to take groups of young people around in minibuses. I had a special licence. It was not a public service vehicle licence, but I was trai...
Stewart Stevenson (Banff and Buchan) (SNP): SNP
Contrary to Robert Brown's sedentary remark, I have never a driven a school bus. Indeed, I will go further than that and inform members that I have never use...
Ms Rosemary Byrne (South of Scotland) (Sol): Sol
I thank Alex Neil for securing the debate. This is an extremely important issue. The Education Committee has received a number of petitions about school tran...
Mr David Davidson (North East Scotland) (Con): Con
I had not intended to be here for this debate but I am delighted that I am because for once it is a quality debate.Robin Harper and I recently spoke at a con...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
On anomalies, does the member acknowledge that, although 90 per cent of three and four-year-olds go to nursery education, school transport is not provided be...
Mr Davidson: Con
I accept that, and I thank the member for making the point.Drivers are very concerned about public safety. The schools want to take action and the local auth...
Robert Brown: LD
Although the issue has come up, I do not want to use this debate to go on about funding. However, does the member accept that, in grant-aided expenditure all...
Mr Davidson: Con
All I can say in reply is that, yes, I acknowledge that, as do councils. However, there is also deprivation in rural areas and it comes in different forms. D...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP): SNP
Alex Neil has initiated an extremely important debate. Different speeches have highlighted different aspects of the safety of our children on the buses that ...
The Deputy Minister for Education and Young People (Robert Brown): LD
I congratulate Alex Neil on securing the debate, which, as members have said, is on an important subject. I am always open to listening to expressions of con...
Dave Petrie: Con
I had a major dispute with Argyll and Bute Council, which tried to alter the mileage limit for school bus travel from two miles to one mile. Would it be poss...
Robert Brown: LD
There has been a fair bit of controversy in a number of areas. Somebody raised an issue with me about children who go to the same school and live within stre...
Stewart Stevenson: SNP
I accept that regulating is a matter for the UK Parliament, but does the minister accept that it is possible to require contractual terms of the local author...
Robert Brown: LD
Yes. I was making the point in the context of explaining the use that the Scottish Executive makes of guidance on school transport.Dave Petrie made a valuabl...
Fiona Hyslop rose— SNP
Robert Brown: LD
I have taken enough interventions.A point was made about statistics. The annual road traffic accident statistics for Scotland provide data on the number of c...
Alex Neil: SNP
Although the councils might not have identified the issues to the Executive, a number of school boards in all three Ayrshire authorities have identified the ...
Robert Brown: LD
If Alex Neil has evidence of problems, I am more than happy for him to write to me about them or to meet him.Many generalised points have been made, but exam...
Meeting closed at 17:47.