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Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Chamber
24 Jan 2007
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry for success and health-promoting schools policies, which appear to have failed to increase uptake of school lunches? Howev...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
31 May 2006
Social Inclusion
That is what I was going to touch on. Is there enough advertising and promotion of the benefits of credit unions?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to ask about snacks—and I begin by saying that I am not an advocate of the Boris Johnson snacks policy.As a former teacher, I am slightly concerned about the idea of pupils having something to eat at any time of the day. That seems to be offering an open goal to pupils ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay, but that is not clear in the bill.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes. I wondered what the impact on them would be.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I notice that, at present, kids get free fruit three times a week. I take it that, under the bill, that would increase to five times a week.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Right. Are there any practical difficulties that local authorities might face in making use of the power to provide snacks?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is what I was thinking of.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good. Finally, what are the reasons for not allowing free school meals to be provided for every pupil, as some of the consultation responses suggested?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have experience of a swipe-card system from the most recent school in which I taught. Such a debit system is a great way of preventing stigma. Kids stick money on to it and build up money, while kids who get free meals simply hand over the card and the other kids will not kn...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Well, maybe. Approximately what proportion of schools currently operate cashless systems?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
From my experience, I would certainly recommend such systems. I hope that they will be encouraged.
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Executive has set the target that every school should become health promoting by 2007. It does not say when in 2007—I imagine around May. How realistic is that target?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to pick up on what Judith Gillespie said about rural schools. I am sure she is right about fairly remote schools, but I taught in Oban high school and Lochaber high school—
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is a good point.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That was not the thrust of what I was trying to do.I have another quick supplementary. From a teaching perspective, if schools offered lunch-time activities such as sports, would they give kids an incentive to stay within the school boundaries to take advantage of what was on ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My next question is on snacks. The bill offers local authorities fairly wide-ranging powers on the provision of breakfasts and snacks, possibly for all pupils. What benefits will those powers bring to children?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What practical or financial difficulties might local authorities face in making full use of this power? Might they need additional staff to provide breakfast? Might they be required to meet storage costs?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to say something brief about the stigma problem. I have witnessed the card system in operation. I think that there was talk of a palm method on "Reporting Scotland" the other night, although the technology that is involved is expensive. I will say to the Executive that ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Did Wendy Halliday say that the Executive's target for health-promoting schools is August 2007?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Do you have any evidence about the proportion of schools that have embraced the health-promoting culture?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
But are they all moving—
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
01 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Bearing in mind the fact that the nutritional requirements in the bill will extend not just to lunches but to all food and drink in schools, will HMIE's processes for monitoring nutritional standards in schools change as a result of the bill?
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes, I want to ask about the thorny issue of the uptake of school meals. The hungry for success programme has not been a resounding success in getting more kids to take school lunches. Did the expert working group take account of the potential for higher standards resulting in...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How have you taken into account the nutrient requirements of different age groups of children in your recommendations?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So age is not the only criterion—physical development is taken into account.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is training catering staff a resource issue?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the subject of thinking outside the box, have you investigated the costing and compliance of fair trade products?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is the premium significant?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understood that that was improving.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to touch on something that was mentioned by the Automatic Vending Association. Are you aware of any examples of schools having introduced healthier options in their vending machines? If so, what have been the benefits or otherwise of such changes?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is that where pupils have had the option of one machine offering Coke and another one offering healthy options?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How recently has that been happening?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So that is the current situation.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Have you any comment to make about the potential impact on revenue to schools from changes to food that is provided in vending machines?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will move on to snacks. Under the bill, local authorities will have the power to provide pupils with food or snacks at any time of the day. What benefits to children will the proposed power provide?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is the fact that local authorities will have the power to offer food at any time of the day, such as breakfast time, beneficial to children?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My reading of the bill is that that option will exist, but the meals may be paid for or may be free.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Will not there be disruption to the curriculum and will teachers get annoyed about kids wanting to snack all the time?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No. Children are allowed water, I think.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I would like to touch on the implications for education authorities. What issues do you think education authorities should take into account when making use of the power? I come from a rural area where a lot of the schools do not have kitchens and the food is transported to th...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
08 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I congratulate Hugh Raven on the food for life programme. Could you become a victim of your own popularity? I do not know whether you have experienced this in East Ayrshire, but many children complain about having to queue for school lunches. The big challenge we have is to en...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As the good people of Shetland reminded us, the bill is about meals and snacks at school. What benefits will the proposed power for education authorities to provide snacks at school, either free or at a charge, bring to children?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have received evidence that when schools try to change over immediately to healthy vending machines, children walk away. Do you think that a gradualist approach should be adopted?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are there practical and staff resource issues that education authorities may face if they seek to make full use of the power? I am thinking of issues such as the need to extend the school day so that kids can come in for breakfast, the need for extra catering staff, and the sa...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On a point of information, I declare an interest as a member of the Educational Institute of Scotland.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
A recent television report highlighted the use of palm-print identification, particularly for primary schoolchildren, who might well lose their cards. What are your views on such a proposal?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As we all know, the bill is not just about school lunches but snacks. What benefits to children will the proposed power of education authorities to provide snacks—either free or at a charge—bring?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You said that you had breakfast clubs, which might have resource implications, given that the school would have to open early. Would authorities face any practical or staff resource difficulties in making full use of the power? I am thinking along the lines of extra staff, suc...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
There is good will from staff.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
15 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I represent the Highlands and Islands, where we have the unusual situation of kids being picked up by bus sometimes before 8 o'clock in the morning. I do not know how practical it would be to provide breakfast when they arrive at school, just before they are taught. If the sch...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My comment is about a point that came up in previous evidence. We should not rush to the assumption that children that leave the school premises will always eat rubbish—many children go out and eat healthily. It is important that we encourage as many children as possible to st...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are there any other comments?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Should we phase in nutritious drinks and so on rather than make a sudden change? Is there a case for phasing in good habits, or should it be done instantly?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I agree that breakfast is very important. I represent a constituency with a lot of rural schools. Do you foresee a problem for children in rural areas who have to leave home very early to get to school? Will they have time for breakfast before classes start?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This question is for John Watson in particular. Why do you suggest that authorities should be able to provide snacks outwith normal school hours?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are suggesting that education authorities should have a role during school holidays.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Are you firmly of the opinion that uptake can be increased by providing free school meals?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I speak as a former—hopefully fun—maths teacher and a great fan of extracurricular activities. Can I take it from what you are saying that if more activities are offered over lunch, it is more likely that pupils will stay in school for lunch? That is what I believe in as well.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
22 Nov 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Has that proved to be true in your school?
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Chamber

Plenary, 24 Jan 2007

24 Jan 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Petrie, Dave Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry for success and health-promoting schools policies, which appear to have failed to increase uptake of school lunches? However, we acknowledge that the health and welfare of pupils are increasing causes of concern, so we are generally supportive of the proposals in the bill at this stage.

There is a cycle of poor nutritional standards in key areas throughout Scotland. Childhood obesity is on the increase: in Scotland, 20 per cent of 12-year-olds are classified as obese and 33 per cent are overweight. That has knock-on effects on the health service, employability and the learning abilities of children while they are in school. Ironically, Scotland is one of the richest countries but has among the worst health statistics.

One positive aspect of the bill is that it puts the child first and tackles health issues from an early age. It has been proved that healthy eating from a young age continues into adulthood. We support the Soil Association's food for life campaign, which Fiona Hyslop mentioned earlier, to educate pupils about food production on farms, but we do not agree that free school meals should be universal when many can afford to pay.

I turn to the negative sides of the bill. Although it would promote healthy, nutritious food in schools, there is no guarantee that that would improve uptake. Regrettably, hungry for success has resulted in a downturn in uptake. Statistics show that in Edinburgh only 23 per cent of children take up free or paid-for meals. Areas where health concerns are more serious, such as Glasgow, Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and South Lanarkshire, have school meal take-up rates of less than 50 per cent. Many pupils still bring in lunches or go out to eat. Initiatives need to be introduced to encourage the take-up of school meals. Providing more lunch time activities may be the key to that.

If the hungry for success initiative has not brought about a great deal of improvement, why should legislation? I share the serious concerns that have been expressed about the popularity of mobile catering establishments outside schools, which may not be serving the best dietary interests of pupils. However, although eating outside school presents unhealthy eating temptations, it should not be assumed that all children who leave school for lunch are choosing that option. Many senior pupils enjoy a break from the school environment at lunch time and eat healthily.

Health promotion is not just about diet—exercise must also be taken into consideration if we are to be successful. There is scope for greater emphasis on extracurricular activities in school. Lunch time activities could encourage pupils to stay in school and, I hope, to take up school lunches. When taking evidence in Airdrie, the Communities Committee identified the potential for provision of healthy, nutritious snacks to coincide with sporting activities. If kids stay at school for sport, we could give them snacks—food and drink—free of charge.

We must work to encourage children who are entitled to free school meals to take them up and must examine the reasons for their failure to do so.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman): Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5339, in the name of Hugh Henry, that the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Schools (Hea...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Hugh Henry): Lab
Improving the health of people in Scotland is a key priority for the Executive. We are taking action on a number of fronts to tackle our poor health record. ...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
The minister talks about the need for our children to be given the right start in life. Will he say why the Executive has set its face against extending the ...
Hugh Henry: Lab
I will touch on that later.Before discussing the bill in detail, I thank the many pupils, parents and professionals from the education sector, health service...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I understand why the minister is cautious about introducing universal free school meals, but the Scottish National Party's amendment simply asks that the bil...
Hugh Henry: Lab
I did not say anything about reviewing proposals for universal free school meals at a later date. As I explained, I do not accept the principle behind provid...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP): SSP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Hugh Henry: Lab
No, thank you.As I said, universal free school meals would make children in the poorest families no better off than they currently are.Ensuring that children...
Tricia Marwick: SNP
Will the minister give way?
Hugh Henry: Lab
No.Frances Curran's amendment is not factually accurate. The research in question is independent research, not research by Hull City Council, and I have been...
Frances Curran: SSP
Does the minister accept that Labour councillors do not want to end the pilot, but Liberal Democrat councillors do, and that Labour councillors accept the re...
Hugh Henry: Lab
Frances Curran talks about independent research, but her amendment states that the research was done by Hull City Council. Perhaps she can clarify for us at ...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
The SNP supports the general principles of the Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill, which contains a great deal that we have called for ...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (Sol): Sol
Does the member agree that the minister misled Parliament when he said that universal free school meals would not help poorer kids? Evidence from the Child P...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I agree. The minister misled us on two points, one of which the member has just raised. The other is that the issue has been considered by the Scottish Parli...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP): SSP
At the outset, I say to the minister that we have evidence—which the Scottish Executive has tried to ignore for three years—that the provision of free, healt...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
The member has made an interesting case, but so far she has not mentioned once how much the policy that she advocates would cost. Will she give Parliament an...
Frances Curran: SSP
It would cost £73 million. Considering that the Scottish Executive's underspend over the past four years has left £1.3 billion in its Westminster bank accoun...
Tricia Marwick: SNP
Will the member give way?
Frances Curran: SSP
I have only a minute left in which to make my last few points.This is a politically sectarian bill that is not about nutrition. If it were, it would take on ...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry fo...
Frances Curran: SSP
Does the member accept that that we know the reason? Research that has been done by a number of children's charities has shown that it is stigma.
Dave Petrie: Con
I accept that stigma is a problem and was about to address the issue. I have taught in schools that operate a card system, to ensure anonymity, but let us ma...
Tricia Marwick: SNP
Will the member give way?
Dave Petrie: Con
I am sorry; I would struggle to finish if I did. There is talk of banning foods. We need to influence the culture of nutrition in schools, but we should not ...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I came to the bill halfway through the Communities Committee's consideration of it. I thank the clerks and my colleagues on the committee for their forbearan...
Frances Curran: SSP
Will the member give way?
Mr Stone: LD
In a second.A parallel argument that both Frances Curran and I accept is that it should be horses for courses when it comes to taxation—in other words, we sh...
Tricia Marwick: SNP
Will the member give way?
Mr Stone: LD
I will do so shortly, after I have given way to Frances Curran.It is worth remembering that, according to the Executive's calculations, it would cost £180 mi...