Chamber
Plenary, 24 Jan 2007
24 Jan 2007 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry for success and health-promoting schools policies, which appear to have failed to increase uptake of school lunches? However, we acknowledge that the health and welfare of pupils are increasing causes of concern, so we are generally supportive of the proposals in the bill at this stage.
There is a cycle of poor nutritional standards in key areas throughout Scotland. Childhood obesity is on the increase: in Scotland, 20 per cent of 12-year-olds are classified as obese and 33 per cent are overweight. That has knock-on effects on the health service, employability and the learning abilities of children while they are in school. Ironically, Scotland is one of the richest countries but has among the worst health statistics.
One positive aspect of the bill is that it puts the child first and tackles health issues from an early age. It has been proved that healthy eating from a young age continues into adulthood. We support the Soil Association's food for life campaign, which Fiona Hyslop mentioned earlier, to educate pupils about food production on farms, but we do not agree that free school meals should be universal when many can afford to pay.
I turn to the negative sides of the bill. Although it would promote healthy, nutritious food in schools, there is no guarantee that that would improve uptake. Regrettably, hungry for success has resulted in a downturn in uptake. Statistics show that in Edinburgh only 23 per cent of children take up free or paid-for meals. Areas where health concerns are more serious, such as Glasgow, Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and South Lanarkshire, have school meal take-up rates of less than 50 per cent. Many pupils still bring in lunches or go out to eat. Initiatives need to be introduced to encourage the take-up of school meals. Providing more lunch time activities may be the key to that.
If the hungry for success initiative has not brought about a great deal of improvement, why should legislation? I share the serious concerns that have been expressed about the popularity of mobile catering establishments outside schools, which may not be serving the best dietary interests of pupils. However, although eating outside school presents unhealthy eating temptations, it should not be assumed that all children who leave school for lunch are choosing that option. Many senior pupils enjoy a break from the school environment at lunch time and eat healthily.
Health promotion is not just about diet—exercise must also be taken into consideration if we are to be successful. There is scope for greater emphasis on extracurricular activities in school. Lunch time activities could encourage pupils to stay in school and, I hope, to take up school lunches. When taking evidence in Airdrie, the Communities Committee identified the potential for provision of healthy, nutritious snacks to coincide with sporting activities. If kids stay at school for sport, we could give them snacks—food and drink—free of charge.
We must work to encourage children who are entitled to free school meals to take them up and must examine the reasons for their failure to do so.
There is a cycle of poor nutritional standards in key areas throughout Scotland. Childhood obesity is on the increase: in Scotland, 20 per cent of 12-year-olds are classified as obese and 33 per cent are overweight. That has knock-on effects on the health service, employability and the learning abilities of children while they are in school. Ironically, Scotland is one of the richest countries but has among the worst health statistics.
One positive aspect of the bill is that it puts the child first and tackles health issues from an early age. It has been proved that healthy eating from a young age continues into adulthood. We support the Soil Association's food for life campaign, which Fiona Hyslop mentioned earlier, to educate pupils about food production on farms, but we do not agree that free school meals should be universal when many can afford to pay.
I turn to the negative sides of the bill. Although it would promote healthy, nutritious food in schools, there is no guarantee that that would improve uptake. Regrettably, hungry for success has resulted in a downturn in uptake. Statistics show that in Edinburgh only 23 per cent of children take up free or paid-for meals. Areas where health concerns are more serious, such as Glasgow, Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and South Lanarkshire, have school meal take-up rates of less than 50 per cent. Many pupils still bring in lunches or go out to eat. Initiatives need to be introduced to encourage the take-up of school meals. Providing more lunch time activities may be the key to that.
If the hungry for success initiative has not brought about a great deal of improvement, why should legislation? I share the serious concerns that have been expressed about the popularity of mobile catering establishments outside schools, which may not be serving the best dietary interests of pupils. However, although eating outside school presents unhealthy eating temptations, it should not be assumed that all children who leave school for lunch are choosing that option. Many senior pupils enjoy a break from the school environment at lunch time and eat healthily.
Health promotion is not just about diet—exercise must also be taken into consideration if we are to be successful. There is scope for greater emphasis on extracurricular activities in school. Lunch time activities could encourage pupils to stay in school and, I hope, to take up school lunches. When taking evidence in Airdrie, the Communities Committee identified the potential for provision of healthy, nutritious snacks to coincide with sporting activities. If kids stay at school for sport, we could give them snacks—food and drink—free of charge.
We must work to encourage children who are entitled to free school meals to take them up and must examine the reasons for their failure to do so.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-5339, in the name of Hugh Henry, that the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Schools (Hea...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Hugh Henry):
Lab
Improving the health of people in Scotland is a key priority for the Executive. We are taking action on a number of fronts to tackle our poor health record. ...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
The minister talks about the need for our children to be given the right start in life. Will he say why the Executive has set its face against extending the ...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
I will touch on that later.Before discussing the bill in detail, I thank the many pupils, parents and professionals from the education sector, health service...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I understand why the minister is cautious about introducing universal free school meals, but the Scottish National Party's amendment simply asks that the bil...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
I did not say anything about reviewing proposals for universal free school meals at a later date. As I explained, I do not accept the principle behind provid...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Hugh Henry:
Lab
No, thank you.As I said, universal free school meals would make children in the poorest families no better off than they currently are.Ensuring that children...
Tricia Marwick:
SNP
Will the minister give way?
Hugh Henry:
Lab
No.Frances Curran's amendment is not factually accurate. The research in question is independent research, not research by Hull City Council, and I have been...
Frances Curran:
SSP
Does the minister accept that Labour councillors do not want to end the pilot, but Liberal Democrat councillors do, and that Labour councillors accept the re...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
Frances Curran talks about independent research, but her amendment states that the research was done by Hull City Council. Perhaps she can clarify for us at ...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
The SNP supports the general principles of the Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill, which contains a great deal that we have called for ...
Tommy Sheridan (Glasgow) (Sol):
Sol
Does the member agree that the minister misled Parliament when he said that universal free school meals would not help poorer kids? Evidence from the Child P...
Fiona Hyslop:
SNP
I agree. The minister misled us on two points, one of which the member has just raised. The other is that the issue has been considered by the Scottish Parli...
Frances Curran (West of Scotland) (SSP):
SSP
At the outset, I say to the minister that we have evidence—which the Scottish Executive has tried to ignore for three years—that the provision of free, healt...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
The member has made an interesting case, but so far she has not mentioned once how much the policy that she advocates would cost. Will she give Parliament an...
Frances Curran:
SSP
It would cost £73 million. Considering that the Scottish Executive's underspend over the past four years has left £1.3 billion in its Westminster bank accoun...
Tricia Marwick:
SNP
Will the member give way?
Frances Curran:
SSP
I have only a minute left in which to make my last few points.This is a politically sectarian bill that is not about nutrition. If it were, it would take on ...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
My initial reaction to the bill was a straight question: why do we need legislation to decide what our kids should eat? Was that not the aim of the hungry fo...
Frances Curran:
SSP
Does the member accept that that we know the reason? Research that has been done by a number of children's charities has shown that it is stigma.
Dave Petrie:
Con
I accept that stigma is a problem and was about to address the issue. I have taught in schools that operate a card system, to ensure anonymity, but let us ma...
Tricia Marwick:
SNP
Will the member give way?
Dave Petrie:
Con
I am sorry; I would struggle to finish if I did. There is talk of banning foods. We need to influence the culture of nutrition in schools, but we should not ...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
I came to the bill halfway through the Communities Committee's consideration of it. I thank the clerks and my colleagues on the committee for their forbearan...
Frances Curran:
SSP
Will the member give way?
Mr Stone:
LD
In a second.A parallel argument that both Frances Curran and I accept is that it should be horses for courses when it comes to taxation—in other words, we sh...
Tricia Marwick:
SNP
Will the member give way?
Mr Stone:
LD
I will do so shortly, after I have given way to Frances Curran.It is worth remembering that, according to the Executive's calculations, it would cost £180 mi...