Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,354,908
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Showing 40 of 2,354,908 contributions. Latest 30 days: 0. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 25 Mar 2026.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I want to move on to the importance of pre-application consultation. Does the draft PAN place enough emphasis on how developers can carry out meaningful pre-application consultation?
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Good morning. I have a question for Ann Coleman in particular, on the impact of landfill on communities. Draft SPP 10 refers to a Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs study that indicates that landfill has only a minimal effect on health. Your community has lived...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
The draft SPP mentions modes of transport to sites and the close proximity of sites. How realistic is it to call for waste to be transported to nearby facilities by modes other than road, in accordance with the proximity principle?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
I will touch on health and the proximity principle. Does the draft SPP deal adequately with health issues—perceived or otherwise? I also have a question for SEPA. From experience, I understand that the likes of Scottish Water dispose of dried waste—possibly including heavy met...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
I want to continue on the theme of people's sensitivity to the proximity of landfill sites. The draft SPP does not provide fixed distances that should be maintained between waste facilities and settlements. What consideration was given to the inclusion of minimum recommendatio...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I will ask about something that Jean Charsley said. Could your views possibly be coloured by your experience of the former situation? Community councils are statutory consultees. I do not know what your experience is, but I understand that some community councils are quite cyn...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I have a question on breaches of consent, which is perhaps another resource issue. Obviously, there is a need to police and act on breaches of consent. Will the PAN and the guidance that will be issued on enforcement result in communities feeling more confident that breaches w...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I will move on, then.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
My question is about services that are provided by Planning Aid for Scotland to communities on planning issues. Will sufficient support be provided to communities to engage meaningfully in the planning process? Does the PAN provide enough information on the sources of support?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
17 Jan 2007
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
Although 120 can be seen as a reasonable number, a few of us around the table represent remote and rural areas in the Highlands and Islands, so the question for us is how can your resources be made available to remote, rural and island areas?
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
The minister mentioned mechanisms to ensure that councils provide the service that is planned. What sort of mechanism do you envisage to monitor the performance of councils in engaging as you plan?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I return to the importance of early engagement. Developers will be required to engage with communities in pre-application consultation on major developments. Given that there is no formal requirement for the planning authority to be party to that consultation, is there not a r...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
Will the planning authority have a role to play in pre-application consultation?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
How can you ensure that local authorities' engagement with communities on development plans and developers' engagement with communities on pre-application consultation go beyond tick-box exercises?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I have a final, succinct question. Why did you consider that the national standards for community engagement were ideally suited to the planning system?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
24 Jan 2007
Community Engagement <br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
I have another brief point to make about resources. I return to what I said to the minister about monitoring how planning authorities engage with communities. The thrust of the legislation is to create a new culture. There must be monitoring and policing, otherwise we will not...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
You mentioned the odour from the site. I take it that, in your experience, there is no odour control on the site.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
You mentioned that members of the community reckon that living close to the landfill site has an adverse effect on health. Do they have evidence for that?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Is there medical evidence for that?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Odour is obviously a major concern. From my experience of waste water treatment works, environmental health departments used to set boundary conditions for odour, and odour levels could be monitored at the site boundary. Has it ever been suggested that odour could be measured ...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
No, but all that would be taken into account. If the odour is generated at the centre of the site, it has to be controlled from the source, so that, irrespective of the wind, it does not get beyond the boundary.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
I would like to put to both witnesses a question on community engagement, which I feel is at the core of this issue. The committee was closely involved in the Planning etc (Scotland) Act 2006, which very much focused on community engagement. Will the proposals for community en...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
From your experience, what is the reaction when communities rebel against something in a planning application? Are the communities simply ignored?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
There is the pre-application stage.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
You have made your position clear. Thank you very much.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
How competitive are the transport alternatives? It is sometimes uncompetitive to transport timber by rail, so we have lots of journeys by massive trucks that cause a lot of damage to our roads.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Do you have any views on the distance that should be maintained between a waste management facility and a settlement?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
I represent a rural and island area. Are distances between facilities and settlements appropriate to such areas? Should we be more flexible? There will not be a waste management facility in every very small community.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
What are your views on the proximity principle that waste should be transported to nearby facilities, and preferably by transport modes other than road?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Are island communities doing the same thing?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
28 Feb 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Thank you. I think that your answer probably covered my next question.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Let us move on. We have heard from some witnesses that the environmental impact assessment process would be expected to address distances between a waste management facility and a settlement. How would that be done in practice? I am thinking along the lines of mitigating again...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
I am making a comparison with the odour and wind-blown waste from landfill sites.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
So mitigation procedures would be formally put in place.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Okay. The proximity principle states that waste should be transported to nearby facilities, preferably by modes other than road. Given the limitations of existing transport infrastructure in some areas of Scotland, how can that be achieved in practice? To be parochial, I ask t...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
There is an economic argument. Companies such as Tesco and the heavy goods guys say that they go by road because it is cheaper to go by road, even at 5 miles to the gallon, than to go by rail or by sea. In the SPP, you are fairly prescriptive in saying that you do not want the...
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Would there be an option to work in partnership with the forestry industry to use its rail links and facilities?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Do you foresee waste management plants that are self-sustainable through renewable energy in the long term?
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
Proximity is an issue that has to be addressed. Aligned to that are the mitigation procedures to combat the fears about odour and wind-blown problems.
Dave Petrie: Con Committee
13 Mar 2007
Planning for Waste Management (Draft Scottish Planning Policy)
We discussed renewable energy towards the end of the evidence session. Methane is created in many landfill sites and there is also wind or solar power, so consideration could be given to opportunities for utilising renewable energy to run plants, as long as it is not prohibiti...
← Back to list
Committee

Communities Committee, 17 Jan 2007

17 Jan 2007 · S2 · Communities Committee
Item of business
Community Engagement<br />(Draft Planning Advice Note)
Petrie, Dave Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV
I want to move on to the importance of pre-application consultation. Does the draft PAN place enough emphasis on how developers can carry out meaningful pre-application consultation?

In the same item of business

The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab
I welcome everyone to the meeting.The only item on the agenda today is the draft planning advice note on community engagement, "Planning with People". The dr...
Clare Symonds (Scottish Environment LINK):
Good morning. I am from Friends of the Earth Scotland and I represent Scottish Environment LINK. I was not on the steering group.
Veronica Burbridge (Royal Town Planning Institute in Scotland):
Good morning. I represent the Royal Town Planning Institute in Scotland, where I work as the Scottish planning policy officer. I was not on the steering group.
Jean Charsley (Hillhead Community Council):
I am from Hillhead community council in Glasgow. I also sit on a community planning partnership as a community representative for several community councils....
Petra Biberbach (Planning Aid for Scotland):
I represent Planning Aid for Scotland. I was a member of the steering group.
Allan Lundmark (Homes for Scotland):
I am director of planning at Homes for Scotland, which is the representative organisation of the housebuilding industry in Scotland. My members build more th...
Harald Tobermann (Pilrig Residents Association):
I am the planning spokesman for Pilrig residents association. I am not its chairman, as some of the papers suggest. I first came to the committee in March la...
Alistair Stark (Royal Town Planning Institute in Scotland):
Good morning. I am a self-employed planning mediator. Today, I am here as the senior vice-convener of the Royal Town Planning Institute in Scotland. I am a m...
The Convener: Lab
Thank you for introducing yourselves.As we heard, some of you sat on the steering group, and a number of you gave evidence on public involvement when the com...
Veronica Burbridge:
The Royal Town Planning Institute in Scotland was pleased with the consultation on the draft PAN, which was done in an open and inclusive manner. However, I ...
Tricia Marwick (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP): SNP
I ask Petra Biberbach to update us on the six workshops that the Executive asked Planning Aid for Scotland to carry out with hard-to-reach groups. Were they ...
Petra Biberbach:
The work was important. It was brave of the Executive to ask us to go out with the draft PAN in the first instance. The groups that we wanted to engage with ...
Jean Charsley:
We think that the PAN has been improved in many ways following consultation. However, having sight of revisions is always lacking. People who have been consu...
Allan Lundmark:
I want to put the exercise in context. Those of us around the table who have been in planning for some time will remember the days when planning advice notes...
Alistair Stark:
I take my hat off to the Scottish Executive for achieving what it has achieved as a result of its public consultation process. The task is almost impossible....
Petra Biberbach:
The Executive has been brave in that it has chosen not only to consult the usual stakeholders but to try to reach all the communities, or at least some repre...
The Convener: Lab
Do you think that the draft PAN goes some way towards meeting the needs of the intended audiences, principally communities, planning authorities, councillors...
Clare Symonds:
I reiterate what other people are saying. I welcome the PAN and recognise what a huge task we have ahead of us. For me, the chief purpose of community engage...
Jean Charsley:
The problem with the PAN is that it is trying to do three things at once and does them with varying success. It is trying to address things that are between ...
The Convener: Lab
It would be helpful if you could.
Jean Charsley:
Many local authorities make great efforts to engage with people on local plans. I have reservations about development plans, as I said.The way in which indiv...
The Convener: Lab
On that point, if the system is open and transparent, if developers are talking to communities and if there is genuine engagement and willingness to be part ...
Jean Charsley:
I agree with you and I think that people are willing to do that, but I am saying that there are some obstacles to that. The draft PAN mentions community plan...
Petra Biberbach:
This is not necessarily in response to what Jean Charsley has said, but we should remember that it is only a planning advice note that we are talking about. ...
Veronica Burbridge:
I agree that the PAN marks a very good start. However, each audience that it attempts to address will require further guidance. That links with Petra Biberba...
Allan Lundmark:
Looking at the current system, it is fairly easy to understand Jean Charsley's concerns about the way in which communities engage with the planning system, a...
Harald Tobermann:
I am going to be a bit more controversial than the previous speakers. As a member of the steering group, I supported the process and many of the elements of ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab
Harald Tobermann said that the PAN and the guidance will not take effect for about two years, until the legislation is fully enacted. Would it not be useful ...
Harald Tobermann:
Absolutely. I fully agree that planning authorities and others should prepare, but I wonder whether a PAN is the right vehicle. Let us step back a bit. The p...
Dave Petrie (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
I will ask about something that Jean Charsley said. Could your views possibly be coloured by your experience of the former situation? Community councils are ...