Committee
Finance Committee, 07 Dec 1999
07 Dec 1999 · S1 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Written Agreements (Scottish Executive)
I suggest that the information should be grouped by sector, which would allow us to look at projects—such as schools, for the sake of argument—in a grouping. That would give us the details and some kind of comparison.
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The Convener:
Lab
The last item on the agenda is the written agreements with the Scottish Executive. The draft agreement and minister's letter have been circulated. if members...
Mr Raffan:
LD
Do we want to look at the letter first?
The Convener:
Lab
Right, let us start with the letter.
Mr Raffan:
LD
I want to raise the point about large capital project. The minister says that he takes"any project with a value in excess of £3 million to be ‘large' but the...
The Convener:
Lab
Well, it does not, really.
Elaine Thomson:
Lab
Surely the letter refers to dealing with an extremely large budget which runs into hundreds of millions of pounds. In such cases, £3 million is a relatively ...
Mr Raffan:
LD
No, I do not think so. He says:"there is no fixed definition".It is not a question of what proportion the £3 million is of an entire budget; it is simply a v...
Andrew Wilson:
SNP
I beg your pardon, convener, but before we discuss the details of this, can I ask your guidance on what happens in areas of continued disagreement? There are...
The Convener:
Lab
We can, despite the time limits, raise such issues next week, as the minister will be at the meeting. If we continue to have disagreement after that, the ans...
Mr Raffan:
LD
I think that it would be unsatisfactory to go on from the budget to issues of disagreement next week. We should do one thing at a time. We may have to invite...
The Convener:
Lab
Before we go into recess?
Mr Raffan:
LD
If he wants the things agreed.
The Convener:
Lab
He does. It depends how strongly we feel about points in the draft agreement. Let us go through the letter first, and then look at the agreement itself. We w...
Mr Raffan:
LD
I do not think that it is clear, but I think that the minister is trying to be helpful, to be fair to him. It is just a question of whether we want to specif...
Mr Swinney:
SNP
To be fair, it is difficult to come to a definition. If we want to define a large variation in a variable budget, that enters the realms of deciding whether ...
Mr Raffan:
LD
So you think that we should leave it at £3 million?
Mr Swinney:
SNP
If we cannot find a better figure. I can think of projects in the great scheme of things which had a value of £27 million. That figure would be relatively mo...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I do not really think that this is an issue, convener. We can put this in the context of the budget head within which it lies.
Mr Swinney:
SNP
I do not imagine that our legitimate line of inquiry will be thwarted because a figure happens not to pass a test of £3 million.
The Convener:
Lab
We will leave that, then.Page 2 of the letter covers contingent liabilities. I see that there are three exceptions to what we had suggested.
Mr Raffan:
LD
The minister seems to have been very co-operative on the format of budget bills' supporting documentation.
Mr Swinney:
SNP
I take a different view.
Mr Raffan:
LD
What?
Mr Swinney:
SNP
I am on the paragraph at the top of page 3.
The Convener:
Lab
The sentence starting "I am quite content to agree"?
Mr Swinney:
SNP
Sorry?
The Convener:
Lab
The paragraph goes over from page 2 to page 3.
Mr Swinney:
SNP
The minister says that "the Budget Documents should contain ‘a comparison between the current proposals and the previous year's figures, in both cash terms a...
The Convener:
Lab
It is not clear to me what is meant by the information being "made available separately." Do you understand what that means? It could just mean producing ano...
Andrew Wilson:
SNP
I will express this point as constructively as I can, but it is misleading to produce a budget document in cash terms. The first question that any person ask...