Committee
Public Petitions Committee 16 April 2013
16 Apr 2013 · S4 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
Current Petition
Wild Land (Protection) (PE1383)
I am still confused. However, on that basis, let us look at the University of Leeds report of 2010, which states:“In Scotland, effort to safeguard wild land has focused on maintaining the qualities that are valued for recreational use ... Areas of wild land character in some of Scotland’s remoter upland, mountain and coastal areas are very sensitive to any form of development or intrusive human activity.”Who defines what is intrusive human activity? We seem to be saying that wild land is for recreational use, but we also seem to be saying that there should be no invasion of human activity to impact on wild land. How did the report even attempt to reconcile those views?
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The Convener
Lab
Item 3 is consideration of a current petition. We are considering PE1383, by Helen McDade, on behalf of the John Muir Trust, on better protection for wild la...
Andrew Thin (Scottish Natural Heritage)
I ask you to note for the record that, although I was at one time a member, a trustee and indeed the chairman of the John Muir Trust, I resigned from all tho...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you, Mr Thin. I have a couple of questions, and I invite Ian Jardine to come in at any stage.First, I would like you to clear up some confusion in my m...
Andrew Thin
I do not think that it would need a designation. A designation is an option, but I question whether it is the best option. Planning policy is an equally effe...
The Convener
Lab
Are you quite comfortable that there is a clear and absolute definition of what we mean by wild land?
Andrew Thin
I will turn to Ian Jardine on that. We have done an awful lot of work on the issue, but clearly an experiential quality is exceedingly hard to define. I ask ...
Ian Jardine (Scottish Natural Heritage)
We need to be honest about the fact that there is no single national or international definition of what we mean by “wild land”. In our mapping work, we have...
The Convener
Lab
That is the point that I made to Andrew Thin. This seems to be a bit of a vague area, whereas we have two national parks with defined boundaries.I have a tec...
Ian Jardine
I would be happy to write with all the technical information, but the issue is that we have had technical problems with updating that indicator. I should emp...
The Convener
Lab
Many constituents have written to us recently, not least because of the petition, to argue that the development of wind energy is the main threat to Scotland...
Ian Jardine
That is one of the significant developments affecting wild land and landscape issues across the country. As we all know, in the context of promoting the Gove...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Good morning, Mr Thin and Mr Jardine. There is no such thing as wild land, is there, Mr Thin?
Andrew Thin
I was careful to say that wildness is an experiential quality. It is the experience that people have that is wild; it is not the land that is wild.
Chic Brodie
SNP
When you gave evidence to another committee on which I sit, you said that you thought that we were talking at cross-purposes. I quote:“First, let me be clear...
Andrew Thin
No, I do not think so. Scotland is entirely a man-made landscape or a people-made landscape. There is no question but that it has been made by people over th...
Chic Brodie
SNP
I am still confused. However, on that basis, let us look at the University of Leeds report of 2010, which states:“In Scotland, effort to safeguard wild land ...
Andrew Thin
I find that a difficult definition from the University of Leeds. Actually, the vast majority of Scotland is also somebody’s workplace. For a stalker or a kee...
Chic Brodie
SNP
Depending on their perspective, some people might consider that an invasion of so-called wild land.
Andrew Thin
That is possible, but it is clear that Scottish planning policy states that we should protect “wild land character” or wildness. That in no sense precludes m...
Chic Brodie
SNP
In talking about wild land, another issue that we discussed in the other committee was land registration. Who owns the wild land that you are mapping? When w...
Andrew Thin
Scotland is owned by a lot of different people. Off the top of my head, I cannot tell you how much of the wild land is—
Chic Brodie
SNP
What if the owners do not wish their land to be characterised as wild land?
Andrew Thin
Planning policy of any kind does not necessarily take that into account. Planning policy applies to land, whoever owns it. The question of who owns the land ...
Chic Brodie
SNP
I will ask one direct question that I have already asked. Is it not the case that the issue has nothing to do with the definition of wild land but has grown ...
Andrew Thin
Wind energy is one of the planning challenges that Scotland has to tackle effectively at the moment and over the next few years, but it is only one of a numb...
Chic Brodie
SNP
I do not think that you answered my other question. When will the mapping of wild land be completed?
Andrew Thin
The mapping has been completed. That is why we are here.
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP)
SNP
Good morning, Mr Thin and Mr Jardine. In his introductory remarks, Mr Thin mentioned the responsibilities of local authorities, and he has just mentioned the...
Ian Jardine
Obviously, given its timing, the consultation on the revisions to SPP and NPF3 is very much in our minds. We are looking at ways of helping to inform the rev...
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Do you have a view on my comments about local authorities departing sometimes from local plans?