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Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
05 Mar 2014
NHS Scotland (2020 Vision)
I am delighted to speak in the debate, as I believe that the NHS in Scotland is on a positive and exciting journey. I support the approach that Hugh Henry outlined and the comments from Stewart Stevenson. At least some of us will recall that, not all that long ago, patient ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
No, it does not. Finally, a lot of techniques are being employed in continuous improvement processes that involve employees. In effect, they are involved in decision making on how to improve the productivity of their workplace. Have you considered the implications of that for...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
04 Nov 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. I wonder if I could just move the discussion on a bit. One of the phrases that will be associated with this committee is the good, the bad and the ugly, although not about the report, I hope. We have talked about training of managers and clearly managers play a b...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
04 Nov 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
That would be helpful, as part of the business pledge is about pursuing international business opportunities. I want to go on to the Mather review. The Scottish Government response reiterated the belief that “trade unions are key social and economic partners and play an imp...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
09 Jun 2011
Caring for Scotland’s Older People
First, I compliment the Labour Party on bringing the motion to the chamber. It is an important motion and, although I might not question its intent, I question some of its content. For example, I do not believe that there is a new focus by the Government on care for the elderl...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
17 Apr 2012
Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.In the debate in December on the legislative consent motion relating to the UK act, the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Wellbeing and Cities Strategy said that conferring powers through Scottish primary legislation“will give the Parliament the opportunity to scrutinise...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
18 Sep 2012
Keep Scotland Beautiful
I, too, welcome Graeme Dey’s motion. He spoke of a cleaner, greener, more sustainable Scotland, and we all support that. I would like to focus on the clean part and indicate the impact that I think it has on the latter two aspects.Graeme Dey said that I would mention enhancing...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
26 Sep 2012
Health and Wellbeing · Drug Prescriptions (NHS Ayrshire and Arran)
13. To ask the Scottish Government how much NHS Ayrshire and Arran spent on drug prescriptions in 2011-12. (S4O-01318)
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
26 Sep 2012
Health and Wellbeing · Drug Prescriptions (NHS Ayrshire and Arran)
A major contributor to the expenditure is repeat prescriptions, which in many cases result in the non-use of the drugs so prescribed. It is estimated that that may cost a particular health board a sum in excess of £1.5 million per year, which might be better spent elsewhere in...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
27 Sep 2012
Common Agricultural Policy
I welcome my South Scotland colleague, Paul Wheelhouse, to the job of minister. I know that he will be a real asset to the ministerial team.With your indulgence, Presiding Officer, I approach the debate not just as one of the parliamentary representatives of a large region of ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
20 Dec 2012
Draft Budget 2013-14
I welcome the tone of today’s debate on what is a good Finance Committee report. We are all aware of the current stress on families, our communities and in the country that has been caused by the economic straits that we are in. To exacerbate that stress by exercising some sor...
The Deputy Convener SNP Committee
14 May 2013
Current Petition
I welcome the announcement that the Government made on Friday about the investment of a further £3 million to purchase a further 660 insulin pumps. However, I find it regrettable that the committee, which has been working on the petition, was not made aware of that. I am sure ...
The Deputy Convener SNP Committee
25 Jun 2013
Current Petition
Agenda item 2 is on PE1463, on effective thyroid and adrenal testing, diagnosis and treatment. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing and Ms Metcalfe and Ms Mair, who are here to give evidence.I ask the cabinet secretary to say something briefly; we will then...
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
25 Apr 2013
General Question Time · Repeat Prescription Charges
Last year, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing said that substantial potential savings could be made from reducing the number of repeat prescriptions that are not bona fide. Will the minister update me on the Scottish Government’s plans to improve the system for man...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
18 Feb 2014
Current Petitions
I recognise the work that has been done by Rab Wilson and the people who are working with him on the petition. Regrettably, in the past two months, I have had two instances of this issue arising in medical practices and a hospital in Ayrshire and Arran. I have taken them up be...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
12 Nov 2014
World Diabetes Day 2014
I, too, thank David Stewart for bringing the motion to the chamber for debate this evening, and I congratulate him and Nanette Milne on the work that they do in the cross-party group on diabetes. As the motion states, Friday is world diabetes day, which is led by the Internat...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Nov 2014
Current Petitions
I will speak, despite what some people think about Government back benchers. In reference to paragraphs 12 and 13 of the clerk’s note, I do not remember when the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing was at the committee, but the action that had to be taken was made clear...
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2015
Commission on Local Tax Reform
Gavin Brown misses the point. When I talked about setting local authorities free, I was saying that it should be right for them to determine the level of tax gathering and revenue that is appropriate for their circumstances. The competitiveness that I was about to mention wi...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
28 Apr 2015
Educational Attainment
Within that, the Scottish Government recognises the positive impact that physical education can have on learning, through health and wellbeing. However, where is the evidence? 11:30
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
That is just as well.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. I want to ask about control. I go back to the question from my colleague Dennis Robertson about collecting data. Have you done an exercise to look at the variations in health in relation to those who have full participation in a company, including equity particip...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Can you do that? Certainly my experience with companies in Europe is that, where there are works councils and involvement in the management process and decision making, people are not always happier than people here but there is a tendency towards that. You also say in your p...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I thank Patricia Findlay for defining the difference between good and bad jobs in terms of perceptions versus reality. I do not think that any of us would demur from having a focused, high-wage, high-productivity economy in which there is equality of treatment and conditions,...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Do you think that positive discrimination might help with that, or does it in some cases hinder women substantially?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Thank you. I have a couple of questions for Stephen Boyd. I asked the earlier panel about the voice of employees and the success of companies that have had equity of participation in the management process and works council involvement. What are your views on those things? I...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
What is the impact of trade unions, industrial democracy and employees having more say in the workplace?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
On contracts, I am currently completing a project involving youth football. One thing that surprised me from my contact with HM Revenue and Customs and BIS was that any contract that pays less than the minimum wage is not a contract—it is not worth the paper that it is written...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
24 Jun 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
That is a point that might be worth thinking about.
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
01 Sep 2015
General Practitioner Recruitment
I thank Jim Hume for bringing the debate to the chamber. General practice is central to the future of the national health service in Scotland. It is the front line for many people. The recent BMA conference for Scottish local medical committees discussed the struggle that man...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
09 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I will ask about democratic participation in the management of companies and organisations later. On income, Ms Bambra, have you considered the impact of equity participation? In some ways, equity participation makes the living wage seem miserly. I have run companies across E...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
09 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Do you have a view?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
09 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Does anyone else have an opinion?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
09 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Sarah Jones talked about the public sector. The committee did an online survey of 600 people, 60 per cent of whom worked in the public sector and 30 per cent of whom worked in the private sector. Seventy-four per cent of respondents said that they thought that their job was go...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
09 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Do leaders and managers have a short-sighted view of what they are trying to achieve, particularly when it comes to their remuneration and position? Do you see there being a seismic shift so that managers become good managers by, in the first instance, treating their employees...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. I want to ask about job quality. The submissions that we have received from the Scottish Council for Development and Industry and the Confederation of British Industry highlight the difficulty of defining job quality. The impact of job quality on productivity is ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I understand that you have carried out only a cursory review of the international evidence and that you have a lot more to do. Will you look at that as one of the potential areas for improving job quality and therefore productivity in the marketplace because, certainly in my e...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I have another question that is associated with that. We know that you are going through the process of deciding what you will look at. A frustration that I had in running companies was to do with the issue of people being promoted on merit. There are different agendas going o...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Let me give you an example. It has been suggested that we should have an equal number of women and men on boards. I think that that is unfair on women, because there might be more women than men on a board. The issue that I am concerned about is that of merit and skills. I wan...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Thank you.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I want to follow up on Mr Harvie’s comment about the statement on the radio this morning about operational efficiencies. We currently have a situation with refugees coming into the country, which I believe will continue for some time. I hope that, in your conversation, that is...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
My first question is for Caitriona McAuley from North Ayrshire Council, for which I have a lot of respect given the efforts that it is putting into economic development. I have had meetings with Karen Yeomans and Willie Gibson, in which they have outlined future plans. SLAED ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I understand that, but Ayrshire is not a huge region and it is easy to contact people. There is no consistency of approach in getting fair work and job quality, is there? I know that you are making progress in East Ayrshire and, to some extent, South Ayrshire, but that is happ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I think that the economic structure in Ayrshire is slightly different from that in Glasgow, but I recognise the work that you are doing. I have a question for Gordon McGuinness and Jane Martin. One of the big issues that we have discussed is the impact of management. Higher p...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I understand. You talked about leadership again, which is different from management. I wonder how much people are inhibited by the term “leadership”. If they are asked to go on a leadership programme, they might be doubtful, but if they are asked to go on a management programm...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I address my final question to Charlotte Wright, although the other witnesses are welcome to answer it as well. Rightly or wrongly, we are obsessed with the minimum wage and the living wage. Those who want to see a very high wage and high productivity economy look at capital i...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Is it true that lack of investment is denying us more rapid growth, and therefore more income growth for employees?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
It will also help job quality.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
16 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I have listened with interest and I have previously met 80 per cent of the panel. Gordon McGuinness mentioned four programmes and we have talked about various organisations. Do you agree that the landscape of who is doing what on work accessibility and job quality seems to be ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Not just labour, though.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. Your submission says: “It is not, however, advisable for politicians to determine job quality or to attempt a definition.” I will take off my politician’s hat and put on my business hat. I have run eight companies in Europe, employing 550 people, and 14 manufac...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Why are you putting so much emphasis on flexible work being a source of better productivity and job protection? That is not the case.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
You know that that is not the condition, Mr Carberry. You say that we utilise people to try things out, but you say in your submission: “a balance of ... 50% of businesses plan to increase the size of their workforce and a balance of” only “28% plan to increase recruitment ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
But you said that there was not the capacity to use available money in the marketplace. Which is it: there is money to invest, or there is not money to invest?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I have no more questions, convener.
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. The previous question offered a new definition of the good, the bad and the ugly. I have not yet heard what exactly we mean by the term “job quality”. I know that in Australia we are developing a quality index—using our funds, which is great—and Professor Warhur...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Forgive me, but we might look at Tuscany, where the focus is on furniture, for which the area is world renowned, or Switzerland, which produces watches and chocolates. My question is, are we trying to do too much? Should we be concentrating on fewer industries or on just a few...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
Good morning. I will make a couple of comments to begin with. First, no one would disavow that the current better practices and situations for employees are down to what the trade unions have achieved historically. Secondly, as Unison says in its submission, the fair work conv...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
That is why I prefaced my question by talking about what unions have done historically.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
That is helpful, but the question was very simple: what will be the role of the trade unions if we have more employee participation at the work level? I am not disavowing sectoral bargaining or what have you. However, given that things move on and that some people like to resi...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Sep 2015
Work, Wages and Wellbeing Inquiry
I have a simple question. If there is a works council, with members who are elected by people in the workplace, whether that is in the private sector or in the public sector, and it negotiates time off and has a say in that, what is the role of the trade union in the workplace?
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 05 March 2014

05 Mar 2014 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
NHS Scotland (2020 Vision)

I am delighted to speak in the debate, as I believe that the NHS in Scotland is on a positive and exciting journey. I support the approach that Hugh Henry outlined and the comments from Stewart Stevenson.

At least some of us will recall that, not all that long ago, patient and medical details were required to be held in folders, files and documents. I remember authorisations that required multiple signatories, and patient data being created with time gaps and completed on different media types. That had to be reviewed and then passed along to the next person in the medical cycle, whether that was a porter, nurse, doctor or consultant, each of whom had a different frame of reference on the patient’s activity, health, safety or welfare. A lot of that militated against meaningful patient benefit.

Today, we have moved on and have embraced new technologies in many areas, such as radiology, which Richard Simpson mentioned, and in the use of new data analysis and collection techniques and communications. Scotland has always had a reputation for pioneering medical research and, as members have said, innovation. That reputation was and still is international. However, it would be wrong to be complacent. The reputation has to be enhanced and we should be in the van on that. We should recognise that that must be one of the foundation stones as we build on the constancy of change that our society and health provision and service demand.

We have the innovation; the research capability in our universities and hospitals; the provision and results of educational research; and a robust life sciences industry. Above all, we have a skilled and professional health service team. Throughout the coming period of significant change, we will need to harness all those aspects and increase the connectivity between them if we are to create the world-leading health service for the 21st century that I believe we can produce, and which I believe could be an exportable health service.

President Obama is talking of spending $12 billion on an electronic medical records programme, which would be an important step for the USA, but Scotland has made an average investment of £110 million a year—which is nearly £800 million over the past seven years—and has already taken some major steps. However, we still face many challenges if we are to see and grasp our vision for 2020. We face the challenges of demography and finance, but we are in a good place to start that process.

We have made recent progress on improving quality. Of course, things are not perfect yet and there are still many challenges, but we should all embrace the fact that successive Scottish Governments have shared an inherent compassion and capacity to succour the sick and elderly—all those Governments should be applauded for that. I say to all members that the healthcare community is a cord that I hope binds us all. I do not believe that there is one member of the Parliament—although there might be—who is not committed to the values of a publicly provided national health service, and nor is there one who does not wish to see patients, customers, clients, family, friends and neighbours at the heart of the service. As I said, we still face challenges. We face a radical future change in healthcare provision as well as financial and demographic challenges.

With your indulgence Presiding Officer, I will focus on two specific situations. East Ayrshire Council, which to my mind is a progressive council, has as part of its tripartite transformation strategy what we call the Dalmellington project, which aligns with the strategic imperative to consider how best to support older people to live more independently in the community. There are many key actions in the strategic priorities report. The project involves working with the third sector, which is important, to allow older people to participate in and contribute to the community. There is also a determination to implement support for older people to live not just in the community but in their own home.

That dovetails with NHS Ayrshire and Arran’s plan, which has been recognised by the Scottish centre for telehealth and telecare and the Scottish Government, to lead on projects that allow communication directly into the homes of the elderly to allow monitoring of their health. The aim is to secure their wellbeing through a range of connected technologies, all of which are remotely connected to a response centre.

No matter how good the digital interconnectivity network is, ultimately it depends on people: professionals in the health service. Patient safety, efficiency and care—both integrated and direct—all depend on teamwork, openness, transparency and participation without fear or favour of performance appraisal at all levels. That means change built on continuous improvement, founded on outcomes rather than targets, constructed on a programme of continuous training and education, so that we have the right skills in the right place, married to a single source of correct data that is provided at the right time and in the right place. It also means that we need strong leadership to drive that change in the NHS, which will see a professional, technology-driven, unified and interconnected health service that puts the patient’s wellbeing, health and safety at the heart of its purpose.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-09222, in the name of Alex Neil, on an update on delivering the 2020 vision in NHS Scotland. 14:39
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Wellbeing (Alex Neil) SNP
The debate provides the Parliament with an opportunity to focus positively on the key role that innovation and technology will play in delivering the 2020 vi...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
The motion stresses the importance of innovation in technology. The cabinet secretary will be aware that funding from the European Union’s horizon 2020 progr...
Alex Neil SNP
Our director of finance, John Matheson, has been actively involved with the European Union in exploiting all financial opportunities for the national health ...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I declare a family interest in the area of IT and e-health. My recent experience of treatment makes me very proud of the NHS in Scotland and proud of the sh...
Jim Hume (South Scotland) (LD) LD
I recently had the privilege of experiencing the good work that our NHS does, although it was on Friday past and not, as the cabinet secretary said, this mor...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
My party welcomes this debate to bring us up to speed with the growing contribution that technology makes to the delivery of the Scottish Government’s 2020 v...
Aileen McLeod (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the cabinet secretary’s announcements about additional funding for NHS boards to support the expansion of home health monitoring solutions and the ...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (Lab) Lab
I have never been very knowledgeable about e-health but I have been aware of its importance for a long time, which is why I chaired the e-health strategy boa...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I started my employment in computers in the 1960s, and have spent an awful lot of money on technology over the years, but I come to this debate not as an eva...
Hugh Henry (Renfrewshire South) (Lab) Lab
The health service is one of the few broader public policy areas in which most us in the Parliament agree on the fundamentals. Irrespective of party colours,...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in the debate, as I believe that the NHS in Scotland is on a positive and exciting journey. I support the approach that Hugh Henry ou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Elaine Smith) Lab
Thank you very much. I ask members to stick to their six minutes, please. 15:50
Mark McDonald (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
The 2020 vision was an acceptance of the evolution of healthcare and the need to make use of available technology to facilitate a greater sense of personal i...
Duncan McNeil (Greenock and Inverclyde) (Lab) Lab
As Richard Simpson and others have done, I welcome the cabinet secretary’s speech and his vision of creating a digital transformation of the health service. ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
As Aileen McLeod said, we recently passed the Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Bill, which will integrate health and social care services for adults....
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
You should be drawing to a close, Mr Doris.
Bob Doris SNP
When a person is housebound, it can impact on their mental health. It can affect their balance, resulting in gait syndrome, and could have a variety of other...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Please finish.
Bob Doris SNP
—but ensures that they can get out into the wider community.
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Richard Lyle has up to six minutes, please. 16:09
Richard Lyle (Central Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I will try to stay within the six minutes. It is very nice to see Dr Richard Simpson back leading for Labour in the debate. The Scottish Government’s 2020 ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to debate the 2020 vision for health in Scotland, particularly the emphasis on innovation through technology and digital health and...
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the debate and the Scottish Government’s vision for delivery by 2020. I also welcome the tone of this debate, because it is important that we get t...
Jim Hume LD
We have had a more or less consensual debate about many health service issues. I welcome the commitment to have personal electronic records for patients, the...
Jackson Carlaw (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, I will start with a question for you—don’t panic, it is a rhetorical question and you do not have to answer it. Can you remember the actre...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
No.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Members of a certain age will know who Janet Webb was. She was the woman who used to burst on at the end of “The Morecambe and Wise Show” and say, “Thank you...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Dazzling. Thank you. 16:40
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
There has been a great deal of consensus in today’s debate. Hugh Henry was right when he pointed out that we are all committed to an NHS that delivers. There...