Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 29 November 2012
29 Nov 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Remploy
I welcome the debate not happily but angrily. It was Einstein who said:
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”
If any event in our recent political lives crystallises current UK Government policy and human stupidity, it is the debacle that goes by the name of “Remploy closures”. I was one of those who sat through the meeting with the UK minister, Esther McVey, on 22 October, at which we called for a full independent review to be carried out of the stage 1 Remploy closures before the stage 2 closure plan was embarked on. That call was ignored; indeed, it was not even acknowledged. Therein lies not just the stupidity but the crassness of the UK Government. A duty of care has been abandoned, and there has been monumental business and governmental incompetence.
I will come on to the latter in a while. All that I will say for now is that anyone who makes an announcement in which she says that she does not intend to delay stage 2 as she feels that to do so may weaken the business does not understand business. I know from my business experience that such a statement weakens the business’s viability and would make any potential customer or buyer wonder, “Why the rush?”
This farce—this circus—has been a smokescreen to cover up the UK Government’s intention, come what may, to shut down our Remploy factories, which it says were losing £68 million a year, although that figure is disputable, and to throw disabled workers into unemployment, which will result in them costing as much, if not more, through unemployment and disability benefits and the need for treatment of hastened illnesses and anxiety.
This farce—this circus—became a totem for the UK Government when it put Liz Sayce, the chief executive officer of the disability rights group, Radar, in charge of the Remploy review. As someone said at the time, “It was like putting a vegetarian in charge of a review of a meat factory.” It was inevitable that a review by someone who is a mental health expert rather than a business expert would come up with the recommendation that UK Government funding should be directed at supporting more disabled people into mainstream employment. If the Government, through its access to work scheme, and Radar are so good at that, why is it the case that 85 per cent of the Remploy employees who were made redundant four to five years ago are still unemployed?
The present situation magnifies the UK Government’s manifest incompetence when it comes to understanding business and, in particular, small business entities such as Remploy. Everything that has happened has happened because the UK Government has starved Remploy companies of strong local sales and marketing resource, and has burdened them with huge central non-productive and sales overheads.
At stage 1 of the process, 36 out of 54 Remploy factories—four of which were in Scotland—were designated for closure unnecessarily, because of an inability to understand the structures of a business sale that led to the closing off of the bids involved in the process. That in itself requires serious investigation. Under stage 2, another 18 factories—five of which are in Scotland—will go through another spurious exercise, unless the lessons of stage 1 are thoroughly learned and accepted and lead to change.
However, all is not lost. I have had regular and constant contact with bidders and particularly with Redrock, which the minister mentioned, and I can advise members that one of the 36 factories escaped. The factory in Wigan escaped, months after closure. A phoenix has risen from the ashes there, and a former Remploy factory now employs 16 of the 18 disabled former Remploy employees. Who knows? The road to Wigan pier might carry on all the way up to Scotland. I am confident that the Scottish Government will work with associated bodies in Scotland to optimise the opportunities that will arise.
I return to Einstein, who said:
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”
Let us continue to challenge the nonsense that was the Remploy stage 1 exercise. We should delay, if not dismantle, the whole stage 2 exercise. Businesspeople in Scotland stand ready to help. We owe our disabled fellow citizens of Scotland no less.
16:21
“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”
If any event in our recent political lives crystallises current UK Government policy and human stupidity, it is the debacle that goes by the name of “Remploy closures”. I was one of those who sat through the meeting with the UK minister, Esther McVey, on 22 October, at which we called for a full independent review to be carried out of the stage 1 Remploy closures before the stage 2 closure plan was embarked on. That call was ignored; indeed, it was not even acknowledged. Therein lies not just the stupidity but the crassness of the UK Government. A duty of care has been abandoned, and there has been monumental business and governmental incompetence.
I will come on to the latter in a while. All that I will say for now is that anyone who makes an announcement in which she says that she does not intend to delay stage 2 as she feels that to do so may weaken the business does not understand business. I know from my business experience that such a statement weakens the business’s viability and would make any potential customer or buyer wonder, “Why the rush?”
This farce—this circus—has been a smokescreen to cover up the UK Government’s intention, come what may, to shut down our Remploy factories, which it says were losing £68 million a year, although that figure is disputable, and to throw disabled workers into unemployment, which will result in them costing as much, if not more, through unemployment and disability benefits and the need for treatment of hastened illnesses and anxiety.
This farce—this circus—became a totem for the UK Government when it put Liz Sayce, the chief executive officer of the disability rights group, Radar, in charge of the Remploy review. As someone said at the time, “It was like putting a vegetarian in charge of a review of a meat factory.” It was inevitable that a review by someone who is a mental health expert rather than a business expert would come up with the recommendation that UK Government funding should be directed at supporting more disabled people into mainstream employment. If the Government, through its access to work scheme, and Radar are so good at that, why is it the case that 85 per cent of the Remploy employees who were made redundant four to five years ago are still unemployed?
The present situation magnifies the UK Government’s manifest incompetence when it comes to understanding business and, in particular, small business entities such as Remploy. Everything that has happened has happened because the UK Government has starved Remploy companies of strong local sales and marketing resource, and has burdened them with huge central non-productive and sales overheads.
At stage 1 of the process, 36 out of 54 Remploy factories—four of which were in Scotland—were designated for closure unnecessarily, because of an inability to understand the structures of a business sale that led to the closing off of the bids involved in the process. That in itself requires serious investigation. Under stage 2, another 18 factories—five of which are in Scotland—will go through another spurious exercise, unless the lessons of stage 1 are thoroughly learned and accepted and lead to change.
However, all is not lost. I have had regular and constant contact with bidders and particularly with Redrock, which the minister mentioned, and I can advise members that one of the 36 factories escaped. The factory in Wigan escaped, months after closure. A phoenix has risen from the ashes there, and a former Remploy factory now employs 16 of the 18 disabled former Remploy employees. Who knows? The road to Wigan pier might carry on all the way up to Scotland. I am confident that the Scottish Government will work with associated bodies in Scotland to optimise the opportunities that will arise.
I return to Einstein, who said:
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”
Let us continue to challenge the nonsense that was the Remploy stage 1 exercise. We should delay, if not dismantle, the whole stage 2 exercise. Businesspeople in Scotland stand ready to help. We owe our disabled fellow citizens of Scotland no less.
16:21
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott)
Con
Good afternoon. The first item of business this afternoon is a debate on motion S4M-05019, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on Remploy.
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing)
SNP
On 22 March this year, members of this Parliament debated the announcement that was made earlier that month by Maria Miller, the then United Kingdom Governme...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP)
SNP
I visited the Remploy factory in Stirling again on Tuesday this week. Understandably, given the situation in Springburn, the workforce’s hopes were at a worr...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
The best way in which we can give people hope is by calling a halt to the process now to allow time for an orderly transition from Remploy to other means of ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
Does the minister agree that the opportunity for the workforce at Remploy Aberdeen to make a realistic bid for its premises was fundamentally undermined by t...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
I certainly think that that opportunity should have been provided. I tend to agree with Mr Macdonald that had that opportunity been provided, it would have b...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
SNP
As the minister knows, there is a very productive Remploy factory in Clydebank, in my constituency. Its work involves the production of innards for car seats...
Fergus Ewing
SNP
Yes—I engage and I will engage. I visited the Clydebank Remploy factory with Gil Paterson and saw what it produces. I think that the factory provides two wel...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab)
Lab
I pay tribute to the staff of Remploy factories in Scotland—unfortunately, I can no longer say “around Scotland”—for their hard work and commitment to the co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
SNP
Patricia Ferguson has given an example from Dundee, but does she accept that the Royal Strathclyde Blindcraft Industries, which I think is located in her con...
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I am always delighted to talk about RSBI, and I am grateful to Mr Mason for giving me the opportunity to do so. That is not only a successful model in my con...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Con
I commend the work done on Springburn Remploy by Patricia Ferguson. I have listened carefully to her statements and, if I may say so, allegations, which I ag...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind)
Ind
Will the member take an intervention?
Mary Scanlon
Con
I have only just started.
John Finnie
Ind
I am grateful to the member for giving way. Does she accept that there are supported employment places in Inverness where the same criteria would apply?
Mary Scanlon
Con
I thank John Finnie for that point. I was going to mention later the connected issue of Haven Products, which I am sure he is familiar with.I put on record m...
Mary Scanlon
Con
I cannot take two interventions at a time.Remploy has had five years to achieve the targets that were set by the Labour Government. That is why I started by ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP)
SNP
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon
Con
I have given Chic Brodie plenty of opportunities, so no—perhaps later.The review that was conducted by the head of the UK disability forum, Liz Sayce, strong...
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon
Con
I have 20 seconds left. Can I take an intervention, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
As long as it is brief.
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
The member will be pleased to hear that Willie Bain has another debate on the issue on Tuesday. I point out that RSBI is in the same constituency and that no...
Mary Scanlon
Con
I do not know whether I will have time to come on to social enterprises, but I think that they have a role to play. I hope that the member will forgive me—be...
The Deputy Presiding Officer
Con
Very finally.
Mary Scanlon
Con
I was sorry not to be able to attend the meeting with Esther McVey on 22 October—I was at the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly in Glasgow on that day—alt...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP)
SNP
I will focus on the fact that, even at this late stage, it might be possible to save the jobs of disabled workers at Remploy Springburn. I understand that Re...
Chic Brodie
SNP
To compound that, the KPMG report shows that Springburn made a small loss of 6 per cent, but the site was lumbered with central costs of more than £1 million...
Bob Doris
SNP
Mr Brodie has put on the record another reason why the closure of Remploy Springburn must be halted in its tracks and why an investigation must be launched, ...
Patricia Ferguson
Lab
I agree with everything that Mr Doris has said. I tell him not to bother trying the freedom of information route. An FOI request from my colleague Willie Bai...