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Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
29 Nov 2012
Remploy
I welcome the debate not happily but angrily. It was Einstein who said:“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”If any event in our recent political lives crystallises current UK Government policy and human stupidity, it is the debacle that g...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
26 Sep 2012
Business Gateway Inquiry
We will probably go down this road later, but are you telling me that you were not involved at an early stage in the process? Colin Borland’s requirement was that service users, including the FSB and Business Enterprise Scotland, be involved at an early stage and paragraph 55 ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
05 May 2015
British Sign Language (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I, too, welcome the stage 1 report. I applaud Mark Griffin for having the foresight and tenacity to introduce the bill. It is, perhaps, regrettable that we are not conducting our consideration of the bill in BSL—indeed, we cannot do that—but who knows what the future will brin...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
20 Dec 2011
Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The principle of the bill is not under question. We are here to consider whether the proposed use of delegated powers is appropriate in principle.Out of curiosity, I carried out some research in a local supermarket over three weeks and I found wide variability, to say the leas...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
02 May 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I endorse that. The convener used the word “equity”. I endorse what has been said about looking at the scale of applicants. At stage 1, the committee debated the issue of trying to complete the land register as quickly as possible. Particularly if we can discount fees, there i...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Oct 2013
Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
But you cannot give me any confidence at this stage that that will happen. I presume that the culture will reflect, albeit not at the same level, the sort of culture that we have seen in the finance sector over the past four, five or six years.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
04 Dec 2013
Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I do not disavow these amendments, but why are we seeing all these introductions to the bill at this stage?
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2014
Poverty (Scotland’s Outlook Campaign)
I, too, welcome the debate and applaud James Dornan for bringing it forward with the support of the sponsors. However, I have one issue with the motion. I say this with the deepest commitment to and regard for the great and hard work that the vast majority of third sector orga...
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2014
Poverty (Scotland’s Outlook Campaign)
In fact, I was aware of the King of Bhutan’s direction to his people that that should be the objective. I am not sure whether we will import all the King of Bhutan’s objectives, but that would certainly be one of them. We need information and I applaud what Scotland outlook s...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
06 Oct 2015
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I move to my last question. It has been suggested that an amendment to replace section 1 might be lodged at stage 2. What might be in that amendment?
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
10 Nov 2015
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, cabinet secretary. I find it very encouraging that, after our earlier debate on the matter, you are trying to reach consensus with stakeholders. How many university principals—not necessarily leaders of trade unions—did you and your officials meet prior to this s...
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
08 Mar 2016
Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I was not sure whether I had misheard the cabinet secretary when she said that I should perhaps have consulted more after stage 2. I am afraid that I have consulted quite widely—I am not sure that that has been reflected elsewhere—my consultation being weighed down by experien...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
04 Oct 2011
Instrument subject to Negative Procedure
I return to my earlier question about consistency and compatibility. What is the catch-all beyond the governors stage? Who makes the consistency decision? Is there a higher court of authority if there is any doubt?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
20 Dec 2011
Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I accept your point about the approach being consistent.When I wandered round the supermarket, I was appalled to find that, applying the notional MPU of 45p—although I also did it with 50p, 55p and 60p—the minimum price of vodka was 37 per cent above the amount that it is curr...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
23 Nov 2011
Tourism
I have a question for Ms Bird and Mr Taylor. You will be aware that the Scottish Government is consulting on a cities strategy. How much have you been consulted on that so far? How are you ensuring that you have sufficient input?It is great to see our major cities strutting th...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
30 Nov 2011
Fuel Poverty
Domestic gas usage has dropped by about 19 per cent over the past five years, while non-domestic gas usage has dropped and then increased. What is your view on that? Gas usage varies substantially throughout Scotland from council area to council area. How much do local authori...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
When the Justice Committee was scrutinising the bill, it considered matters concerning the European convention on human rights and invited the Scottish Government to reflect on concerns raised. The catch-all test for offensive behaviour is set out in section 1(2)(e), which, as...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
The question was about section 1(2)(e), which talks about“other behaviour that a reasonable person would be likely to consider offensive”.Is that too wide and too expansive, given what the Government was trying to do—having the powers while still meeting the requirements of th...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
I am surprised.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
Are we saying that there is a procedure that is just an idea and has not been agreed across the board to ensure that we all have the same understanding of it?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
I understand that.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
29 Nov 2011
Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Bill: After Stage 2
Coming back to the process—and leaving the super-affirmative procedure to one side for a moment—I note that orders under section 6A will, as you have pointed out, be subject to affirmative procedure. Given the significance of those orders, are you content that there will be su...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning. Given the nature of the bill, how much priority would you give to completing the land register by having all land in Scotland transferred to it? What advantages do you believe will come from achieving that? Would it be acceptable to have a system of payment for a...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On that point, you say in your submission:“In my opinion the purpose of legislation is to make life better.”However, you are saying that you are happy with the current situation.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand that, but you went on to say that the bill“offers this Committee and this Parliament the opportunity to develop the land registration system to be more equitable, robust, clear, efficient and in the public interest while greatly improving the conveyancing process”...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand that.Currently, only 21 per cent of the landmass of Scotland is covered by the land register. That means that a vast amount of property—property on the remaining 79 per cent of the landmass—is not registered. We are talking about property that is not urban and whi...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Under the existing register.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Things are not necessarily clear-cut. The system leads to disputes over who owns what land.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I do not know whether any other panel members wish to comment on the completion of the land register.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Pardon my naivety but, on your comment about solicitors finding problems and correcting the land register, how proactive should the keeper be in ensuring that the register is up to date?11:15
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How much would the court route cost?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I take Mr McCormick’s point about small businesses, but I want to ask a question from a taxpayer’s point of view. Can we find out how much has been invested in the ARTL system? I appreciate your openness, but the system appears not only to be “a dead duck”, but to be money dow...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
11 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Can we ask the question before the keeper comes?
Chic Brodie SNP Chamber
15 Sep 2011
Social Care Services (Procurement)
I am sure that Mary Fee knows as well as I do that direct discussions between management and the union were going on at that time, although I accept that there was resistance to going to ACAS at one stage. However, they did go to ACAS, of course. I am saying that we should be ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning. You said that the Ordnance Survey map is fit for purpose, although with certain conditions. The bill proposes the continuation of the current mapping system. However, you said that it is a compromise. Unfortunately, courts and tribunals do not necessarily accept ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the issue of completing the land register by the end of the century, I understand that Registers of Scotland has fairly substantial surplus funds. Is it a question of resource or skill that would allow us to accelerate the process of completing the land register earlier?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Again without making an oblique or direct political statement, I would have thought that it was desirable from an environmental and economic point of view for us to have a nearly complete land register. If we were taxing land values, for example—I am not suggesting that we sho...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So it will not take a century.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
18 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Following on from that response, I note that you say in your submission that, although the bill is technical, certain “public policy dimensions” should be taken into account. You mentioned the Crown in that respect and, on page 301 of your immensely readable book, you make the...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You are suggesting that the IT system is not fit for purpose, on the basis of the way in which it was developed. Why has the uptake been so disappointing?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How involved were users of the IT system in its development? Were they involved at all?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Given the discussion that we have just had on advance notices, how open is the system to possible fraud and forgery?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On the basis that you are in competition with the keeper and any good competitor will determine their commercial and financial outcomes in relation to the competition, where are you better than the keeper?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It was a good answer.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Last week, we were told that, back around 1910, Lloyd George was able to get all the land in the United Kingdom registered in four years. What financial resources do you have, and what would you require to complete the land register in a much shorter time? What surplus do you ...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What are your reserves?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Let me be clear. I understand about indemnities, but you have reserves of £75 million. According to the financial memorandum, implementation of the bill will cost £3.9 million. What will you need to do—including using some of those reserves—to complete the register much more q...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
When will that happen?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What is your target date for completion of the exercise?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I ask the following questions acknowledging that you have been in situ only since July 2009. They are also predicated on my desire to see the land register completed sooner rather than later. I would like much more proactivity than the passivity that is suggested by, for examp...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understand the value of service and efficiency in organisations. I come to IT. You kindly provided information about the ARTL—automated registration of title to land—system. We heard two weeks ago that it is unfit for purpose and a written submission from the Council of Mort...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
But it has been in use for only a few years.
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
A slightly different view was expressed to the committee. Leaving that for a minute, let us concentrate on IT, and management and efficiency. The 2010-11 annual report and accounts for the Registers of Scotland says:“This year two projects in the change programme were reviewed...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry to interrupt, but has the supplier been penalised? Did the contract contain penalty clauses?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It might have been worth paying a penalty to get out of the contract.Section 96 of the bill allows for provision to be made for registration. We have heard—
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I admire your defence of the system. You said that it was predicated on the remortgage market, yet we have a submission from the Council of Mortgage Lenders that says:“the ARTL system has had limited use and questions are regularly raised of whether it is fit for purpose.”I wi...
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a very quick question. Is Crown Estate land fully or partly registered? How much of the near-shore Crown Estate land is registered?
Chic Brodie SNP Committee
25 Jan 2012
Land Registration etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It is probably an opportunity for an a non domino disposition.
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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 29 November 2012

29 Nov 2012 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Remploy
I welcome the debate not happily but angrily. It was Einstein who said:

“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”

If any event in our recent political lives crystallises current UK Government policy and human stupidity, it is the debacle that goes by the name of “Remploy closures”. I was one of those who sat through the meeting with the UK minister, Esther McVey, on 22 October, at which we called for a full independent review to be carried out of the stage 1 Remploy closures before the stage 2 closure plan was embarked on. That call was ignored; indeed, it was not even acknowledged. Therein lies not just the stupidity but the crassness of the UK Government. A duty of care has been abandoned, and there has been monumental business and governmental incompetence.

I will come on to the latter in a while. All that I will say for now is that anyone who makes an announcement in which she says that she does not intend to delay stage 2 as she feels that to do so may weaken the business does not understand business. I know from my business experience that such a statement weakens the business’s viability and would make any potential customer or buyer wonder, “Why the rush?”

This farce—this circus—has been a smokescreen to cover up the UK Government’s intention, come what may, to shut down our Remploy factories, which it says were losing £68 million a year, although that figure is disputable, and to throw disabled workers into unemployment, which will result in them costing as much, if not more, through unemployment and disability benefits and the need for treatment of hastened illnesses and anxiety.

This farce—this circus—became a totem for the UK Government when it put Liz Sayce, the chief executive officer of the disability rights group, Radar, in charge of the Remploy review. As someone said at the time, “It was like putting a vegetarian in charge of a review of a meat factory.” It was inevitable that a review by someone who is a mental health expert rather than a business expert would come up with the recommendation that UK Government funding should be directed at supporting more disabled people into mainstream employment. If the Government, through its access to work scheme, and Radar are so good at that, why is it the case that 85 per cent of the Remploy employees who were made redundant four to five years ago are still unemployed?

The present situation magnifies the UK Government’s manifest incompetence when it comes to understanding business and, in particular, small business entities such as Remploy. Everything that has happened has happened because the UK Government has starved Remploy companies of strong local sales and marketing resource, and has burdened them with huge central non-productive and sales overheads.

At stage 1 of the process, 36 out of 54 Remploy factories—four of which were in Scotland—were designated for closure unnecessarily, because of an inability to understand the structures of a business sale that led to the closing off of the bids involved in the process. That in itself requires serious investigation. Under stage 2, another 18 factories—five of which are in Scotland—will go through another spurious exercise, unless the lessons of stage 1 are thoroughly learned and accepted and lead to change.

However, all is not lost. I have had regular and constant contact with bidders and particularly with Redrock, which the minister mentioned, and I can advise members that one of the 36 factories escaped. The factory in Wigan escaped, months after closure. A phoenix has risen from the ashes there, and a former Remploy factory now employs 16 of the 18 disabled former Remploy employees. Who knows? The road to Wigan pier might carry on all the way up to Scotland. I am confident that the Scottish Government will work with associated bodies in Scotland to optimise the opportunities that will arise.

I return to Einstein, who said:

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

Let us continue to challenge the nonsense that was the Remploy stage 1 exercise. We should delay, if not dismantle, the whole stage 2 exercise. Businesspeople in Scotland stand ready to help. We owe our disabled fellow citizens of Scotland no less.

16:21

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
Good afternoon. The first item of business this afternoon is a debate on motion S4M-05019, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on Remploy.
The Minister for Energy, Enterprise and Tourism (Fergus Ewing) SNP
On 22 March this year, members of this Parliament debated the announcement that was made earlier that month by Maria Miller, the then United Kingdom Governme...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
I visited the Remploy factory in Stirling again on Tuesday this week. Understandably, given the situation in Springburn, the workforce’s hopes were at a worr...
Fergus Ewing SNP
The best way in which we can give people hope is by calling a halt to the process now to allow time for an orderly transition from Remploy to other means of ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the minister agree that the opportunity for the workforce at Remploy Aberdeen to make a realistic bid for its premises was fundamentally undermined by t...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I certainly think that that opportunity should have been provided. I tend to agree with Mr Macdonald that had that opportunity been provided, it would have b...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
As the minister knows, there is a very productive Remploy factory in Clydebank, in my constituency. Its work involves the production of innards for car seats...
Fergus Ewing SNP
Yes—I engage and I will engage. I visited the Clydebank Remploy factory with Gil Paterson and saw what it produces. I think that the factory provides two wel...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
I pay tribute to the staff of Remploy factories in Scotland—unfortunately, I can no longer say “around Scotland”—for their hard work and commitment to the co...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Patricia Ferguson has given an example from Dundee, but does she accept that the Royal Strathclyde Blindcraft Industries, which I think is located in her con...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I am always delighted to talk about RSBI, and I am grateful to Mr Mason for giving me the opportunity to do so. That is not only a successful model in my con...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I commend the work done on Springburn Remploy by Patricia Ferguson. I have listened carefully to her statements and, if I may say so, allegations, which I ag...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
Will the member take an intervention?
Mary Scanlon Con
I have only just started.
John Finnie Ind
I am grateful to the member for giving way. Does she accept that there are supported employment places in Inverness where the same criteria would apply?
Mary Scanlon Con
I thank John Finnie for that point. I was going to mention later the connected issue of Haven Products, which I am sure he is familiar with.I put on record m...
Mary Scanlon Con
I cannot take two interventions at a time.Remploy has had five years to achieve the targets that were set by the Labour Government. That is why I started by ...
Chic Brodie (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon Con
I have given Chic Brodie plenty of opportunities, so no—perhaps later.The review that was conducted by the head of the UK disability forum, Liz Sayce, strong...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon Con
I have 20 seconds left. Can I take an intervention, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
As long as it is brief.
Patricia Ferguson Lab
The member will be pleased to hear that Willie Bain has another debate on the issue on Tuesday. I point out that RSBI is in the same constituency and that no...
Mary Scanlon Con
I do not know whether I will have time to come on to social enterprises, but I think that they have a role to play. I hope that the member will forgive me—be...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Very finally.
Mary Scanlon Con
I was sorry not to be able to attend the meeting with Esther McVey on 22 October—I was at the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly in Glasgow on that day—alt...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
I will focus on the fact that, even at this late stage, it might be possible to save the jobs of disabled workers at Remploy Springburn. I understand that Re...
Chic Brodie SNP
To compound that, the KPMG report shows that Springburn made a small loss of 6 per cent, but the site was lumbered with central costs of more than £1 million...
Bob Doris SNP
Mr Brodie has put on the record another reason why the closure of Remploy Springburn must be halted in its tracks and why an investigation must be launched, ...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I agree with everything that Mr Doris has said. I tell him not to bother trying the freedom of information route. An FOI request from my colleague Willie Bai...