Chamber
Plenary, 12 Sep 2002
12 Sep 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Acute Services Review (Glasgow)
I am sorry, but I do not have time. I agree with Alex Neil that a four-minute time limit is daft.
I want the minister to be specific about what is being done and what will be done to make early progress on the ACAD unit at Stobhill hospital, and I do not just mean ditching the daft abbreviations. Stobhill's ACAD unit is not the health board's baby. The proposals for an ACAD unit at Stobhill came from the medical and support staff at Stobhill. The ACAD unit enjoys near unanimous support across the north of the city. I know that a different position obtains in the south of Glasgow, and I am sure that people in the south of the city will make their case. However, I strongly urge the minister to ensure not only that we get a green light for our ACAD unit, but that we get a kick start for the works. Since I was elected, I have sat through many meetings where we seem to go round in circle after circle about the ACAD unit. Please let us get round to the hospital with the builders and let us do so as soon as is practicable.
We need to speed up investigations for patients, we need to cut waiting times and improve treatments, and we need to do as much as possible in one single attendance, continuing the move towards day care. Those are things that I hope we all agree on and want to see. Delay fuels uncertainty and stalls progress.
I hope that the Parliament will also consider the nine-month consultation that was undertaken by the board. There were lots of meetings and I attended nearly all of them, but I do not feel that there was true public participation. We need to ensure that NHS boards properly reflect the views of staff and patients. I welcome the independent monitoring and review guarantees that were conceded today by the minister. Paul Martin and I have been pushing hard to get oversight from outside the board over what we know will be a long haul. I take it that the amendment means that the Auditor General would report annually, publicly and to the Parliament.
I welcome the prospect of getting the ACAD unit on site with in-patient beds at Stobhill. I do not want to mislead the minister, so I shall be explicit. I will use the presence of the ACAD unit at Stobhill to continue to make the case for in-patient provision at Stobhill. As has been mentioned, we know the position in relation to rising emergency admissions and in relation to transfers into Stobhill from the royal infirmary. I also want assurances from the minister that he will insist on flexibility from the board on accident and emergency services. On the commitment to retention of services, local monitoring will be absolutely crucial, as Paul Martin said. It needs to be independent and to be seen to be independent. The minister knows that in any hospital there is a critical mass of services that can be upset by removing one or another.
We have a wide range of excellent services at Stobhill, including general surgery, general medicine, the day surgery unit and, I hope, the coming ACAD unit. There is a range of first-rate specialties at the hospital, and it is a highly attractive site for other specialties that are looking for a location. I shall be coming back to the minister on that point.
I want the minister to be specific about what is being done and what will be done to make early progress on the ACAD unit at Stobhill hospital, and I do not just mean ditching the daft abbreviations. Stobhill's ACAD unit is not the health board's baby. The proposals for an ACAD unit at Stobhill came from the medical and support staff at Stobhill. The ACAD unit enjoys near unanimous support across the north of the city. I know that a different position obtains in the south of Glasgow, and I am sure that people in the south of the city will make their case. However, I strongly urge the minister to ensure not only that we get a green light for our ACAD unit, but that we get a kick start for the works. Since I was elected, I have sat through many meetings where we seem to go round in circle after circle about the ACAD unit. Please let us get round to the hospital with the builders and let us do so as soon as is practicable.
We need to speed up investigations for patients, we need to cut waiting times and improve treatments, and we need to do as much as possible in one single attendance, continuing the move towards day care. Those are things that I hope we all agree on and want to see. Delay fuels uncertainty and stalls progress.
I hope that the Parliament will also consider the nine-month consultation that was undertaken by the board. There were lots of meetings and I attended nearly all of them, but I do not feel that there was true public participation. We need to ensure that NHS boards properly reflect the views of staff and patients. I welcome the independent monitoring and review guarantees that were conceded today by the minister. Paul Martin and I have been pushing hard to get oversight from outside the board over what we know will be a long haul. I take it that the amendment means that the Auditor General would report annually, publicly and to the Parliament.
I welcome the prospect of getting the ACAD unit on site with in-patient beds at Stobhill. I do not want to mislead the minister, so I shall be explicit. I will use the presence of the ACAD unit at Stobhill to continue to make the case for in-patient provision at Stobhill. As has been mentioned, we know the position in relation to rising emergency admissions and in relation to transfers into Stobhill from the royal infirmary. I also want assurances from the minister that he will insist on flexibility from the board on accident and emergency services. On the commitment to retention of services, local monitoring will be absolutely crucial, as Paul Martin said. It needs to be independent and to be seen to be independent. The minister knows that in any hospital there is a critical mass of services that can be upset by removing one or another.
We have a wide range of excellent services at Stobhill, including general surgery, general medicine, the day surgery unit and, I hope, the coming ACAD unit. There is a range of first-rate specialties at the hospital, and it is a highly attractive site for other specialties that are looking for a location. I shall be coming back to the minister on that point.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh):
Con
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3375, in the name of Nicola Sturgeon, on the acute services review, and one amendment to that motion. As ...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
The debate is not and should not be party political. It is about the future of the national health service in Glasgow. There has been remarkable cross-party ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab):
Lab
Is the member suggesting that the Southern general should close and that the care that it provides should be transferred to a new site? The board's view is b...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I am not suggesting that the Southern general should close. In a moment I will address the point that the member makes.The Southern general is on the absolut...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I want to make some progress. If I have time, I will take an intervention from the member later.The Scottish Executive press release that announced approval ...
Pauline McNeill:
Lab
I share some of Nicola Sturgeon's concerns and am pleased that she does not regard the issue as party political. I hope that we will have a chance to debate ...
Nicola Sturgeon:
SNP
I said that I favour a two-hospital option for the south of Glasgow. I have called for an independent review because I believe that there are issues that sti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
I invite Malcolm Chisholm to speak to and move amendment S1M-3375.1. He has seven minutes to speak.
The Minister for Health and Community Care (Malcolm Chisholm):
Lab
During the nine months for which I have been the Minister for Health and Community Care, I have devoted a great deal of thought to the matters before us toda...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome the minister's commitment that services will be retained for five years, but we have heard many times that services will be retained at particular ...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I will describe the role of Audit Scotland in a minute. My amendment states that local people must have a role in continuing monitoring and review at Stobhil...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
Will the minister give way?
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I do not have time to take another intervention at present.I continue with the theme of monitoring and review. Greater Glasgow NHS Board is already committed...
Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab):
Lab
Will the minister give way?
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
If I have time, I will take an intervention from Bill Butler, but I must continue for a moment.The decision about whether there should be two or three accide...
Bill Butler:
Lab
I am grateful to the minister for giving way. I agree with Ms Sturgeon and with others who have said that people are concerned about the reduction in the num...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I am certainly open-minded about that. As I said, that decision was the most difficult to take. Obviously, I would have to listen carefully if a review proce...
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I am answering the point raised by Bill Butler.I would certainly pay close heed to a review that said that there should be three accident and emergency depar...
Janis Hughes (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab):
Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I am afraid that I am out of time as far as taking interventions is concerned. I have a lot to cover and I think that I have about one minute left.
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
You have about half a minute left.
Malcolm Chisholm:
Lab
I will have to curtail a lot of my material.Under the proposals for Glasgow, we will have two accident and emergency departments, three acute receiving units...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con):
Con
I intimate that, because of time strictures, I will not take interventions, which is unusual for me. I do not think that the content of my speech is such tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
Order. I must ask members of the public in the visitors gallery to desist from applauding. This is not a public meeting, but a meeting of the Parliament. We ...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD):
LD
I am the first Glasgow member of the Executive parties to speak in the debate. I thank Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP for allowing its time to be used for this ...
Gordon Jackson (Glasgow Govan) (Lab):
Lab
I welcome aspects of the Executive's amendment. Of course the status quo is not an option, and we must make progress sooner rather than later. I welcome on-g...
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
I reiterate the point made by Nicola Sturgeon about political point scoring, but not by the SNP.We are talking about delivering the best possible health serv...
Brian Fitzpatrick (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (Lab):
Lab
Because of time constraints, I suspect that my senior colleague, Paul Martin, may not get to speak. Since my election, having the co-operation and solidarity...
Mary Scanlon:
Con
Will Mr Fitzpatrick accept an intervention?