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The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
I intend to explain three basic issues: where our EYF money comes from; how we allocated it; and what the results of our allocation process were. I also wish to touch on the broader issues around how we try to manage underspend within the Executive.The resources that were carr...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
I am delighted to have the opportunity to set out how we are successfully managing our resources to ensure that every penny of the Scottish budget is used for maximum impact.We are already delivering record levels of investment across the public services in Scotland. Our inves...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
I disagree strongly with your language and your use of the word "underspend". With a few notable exceptions, most commentators and, indeed, MSPs, have misunderstood what EYF is all about—deliberately or otherwise. It might be necessary to build a road in an area, but the road ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
It is new money for departments that go out to spend that money and I said exactly what I meant.The Finance Committee rightly raised issues about EYF, which members have discussed at length in this debate. EYF was designed and introduced to improve the effectiveness of public ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
16 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I maintain that EYF is a good thing, as it stops people making bad decisions just because they are at the end of the financial year. Local authorities have benefited from EYF because resources have been put back into them. Some EYF comes directly from local authority underspen...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
11 Sep 2003
Partnership Agreement (Funding)
The EYF figure for 2000-01 was £718 million; the figure for 2001-02 was £643 million; and, as we have just announced, the figure for 2002-03 is £394 million. There have been a succession of reductions in EYF, which is a measure of the increased monitoring within the Executive ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
29 Jan 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
We maintain our confidence in the end-year flexibility and planned underspend system. We think that it represents a good use of resources and ensures that the allocation of money is targeted in the most effective manner, so that resources are not spent wastefully and ineffecti...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
The term is "planned underspend". Just because that money is part of EYF does not mean that the way in which it is spent is not subject to rigorous accountability procedures. It is spent on real priorities to help real people and to achieve real results. It is not dished out w...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Feb 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 3
The figures for this year are not currently available, but they will be submitted to the Parliament. Many of the items that are affected by end-year flexibility are planned underspends that result from our working in concert with partners that deliver projects for us or from l...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
30 Jan 2003
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
That is inaccurate, and I shall correspond with Mr Adam on that point. The figures take into consideration some technical calculations to do with the use of capital in the building of a vessel. What he will find is that support for fishing has increased over the spending perio...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
11 Sep 2003
Partnership Agreement (Funding)
In May, we signed the partnership agreement, "A Partnership for a Better Scotland", which sets out our programme for the four years of this session, in which we will combine investment with reform and modernisation with delivery. It is a programme to make a difference and a pr...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
24 Jun 2004
Efficient Government
The member does not understand the point and, like Mr Ewing, does not appreciate the work on efficiency that has been on-going in the partnership Executive over the years. We have been involved in projects in procurement and facilities management, in productivity in the Crown ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
In cases in which EYF has assisted with the pressures that exist in individual portfolios outwith this financial year, we have spent time ensuring that those portfolios have the resources to carry through the full commitment until the next spending revue. We are confident that...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
That was a rather grudging response. We have grown used to such responses in the months and years in which the SNP has been in opposition. Instead of giving a statement of "self-congratulatory twaddle", as the member put it, I talked about the fact—which I am sure that every m...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
One cannot spend EYF twice—it is for non-recurring items—although I know that the SNP has tried to do that on a few occasions. I remember the Borders case and I also remember Alasdair Morgan spending it many, many times over. However, I take Brian Adam's point on board. We wil...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
24 Jun 2004
Efficient Government
I wish to outline to the Parliament how the Government will drive forward our agenda for improvement and delivery, our work to get the best value from every public pound spent and our intention to invest in Scotland's future prosperity. The United Kingdom spending review will ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
10 Sep 2009
“Strategic Budget Scrutiny”
I echo everyone's congratulations to the Finance Committee on its very good report, which the convener introduced effectively. The report lays out some of the challenges that we in the Parliament and, in particular, the cabinet secretary and the Government face and the choices...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Thank you convener. I do not want to spend too long explaining the principles behind EYF. I believe strongly that most MSPs accept the need for a system that ensures that money that is not spent in one financial year can be allocated in the next. Otherwise, we end up with heav...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
With due respect, I think that you said that EYF could be calculated in the way that you suggested; I am not sure whether that was a quotation from Mr Midwinter. I was responding to your question.
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
On EYF that is under the direct control of the Executive, the increase largely results from removing the fluctuations in demand-led expenditure into the "Other" category. The resources were European moneys, so they were put into that column.As for communities funding, the numb...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Fergus Ewing has continually compared business rates north and south of the border. The tax take in Scotland is exactly the same as it is in England and relates to the revaluation of properties. We can have this discussion if the committee wants to; I thought that we were here...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
30 Sep 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Decisions about EYF are made when departments tell us why there is an underspend and what commitments they must still meet. The 75: 25 split acts as guidance for the departments and, if they can put up a good defence—for want of a better word—and explain why they should retain...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
07 Oct 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
With due respect, I say no. Many of those figures are held back because we must enter into negotiations in tender processes with the private sector and into discussions with trade unions about deals and other matters. As I said in a speech in the chamber, EYF—the windfall from...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
29 Oct 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Your first question is about the infrastructure problems that exist in Scotland. That is not just about local government; it is about health, the water infrastructure, schools and many other aspects of Scottish life. Through public-private partnerships and more traditional fun...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
We will prepare questions for the Executive and will ensure that that is one of them.End-year flexibility in the work of the Parliament is subject to debate elsewhere. The minister's response on that is straightforward. Considering the debates that we have had on EYF, I think ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
As you know, we have the general budget figures, but we do not have every line. Your question is based on EYF line by line and whether the minister allocates that across the budget.
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Oct 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
That sounds like "STAG-EYF" criteria.
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Feb 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 3
Last year the underspend was £718.3 million.The budget process is not so much about EYF or underspend as about schools, resources, nursery places, nurses and doctors. Those are the really important matters that affect the lives of Scottish people.As I have made clear in previo...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Mar 2002
Question Time · Scottish Executive Budget 2000-01
I have no idea to what Alasdair Morgan was referring in the opening part of his supplementary question—it deserves no further response.I have indicated that I wish a debate on the matter of underspend. I have offered to attend the Finance Committee for that purpose. Yesterday,...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Mar 2002
Question Time · Scottish Executive Budget 2000-01
As we have said, EYF is designed to promote sensible spending. It ensures that we stay focused on our key objectives rather than spending it on low priorities simply to get the money out of the back door—the money is not lost to Scotland. Last year we spent our money on the Mc...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Mar 2002
Question Time · Scottish Executive Budget 2000-01
Of course, the Conservative party never took that approach in the past. We recollect that from the party of boom and bust. We also recollect the time before EYF, when money in Scotland went back to the Treasury. Those much-needed resources disappeared from Scotland. That was t...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
The health budget has retained more than 100 per cent of what the health department wished to retain under EYF. That is the purpose of the system; the money is retained in the health portfolio. As Malcolm Chisholm pointed out, the purchase of the HCI hospital will have a posit...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
For Glasgow as a whole, we are awarding £12.5 million, which I am sure will be welcomed. A lot of the overall EYF allocation that was discussed today will clearly head towards Glasgow in many shapes and guises.I am sure that Cathy Jamieson will be engaging positively with the ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
11 Sep 2003
Partnership Agreement (Funding)
Despite its title, the spending review is not only about spending; it is about ensuring that the money is spent properly, that it is measurable, that there is accountability and that we get value for money. I will continue the good practice of previous ministers for finance an...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2008
Pre-budget Report<br />(Scottish Government Response)
Would the member note that the Treasury wrote to the Government saying that the money could be recovered through EYF? The Government has already had £900 million from that flexibility.
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Jan 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
If there is anything that the SNP should do to support Scottish business and the economy, it is to remove the threat of the local income tax.We heard about the £100 million advancement on house building. We are relieved that that is in the budget for this year but, of course, ...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
15 Jan 2009
Forth Crossing
I apologise, but I will need to wait for what the Treasury has to say about that. However it chooses to deal with the rules on PPP/PFI, the fact that it is off balance sheet is not the only reason why one would entertain the use of that financial mechanism. Whatever the Treasu...
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Finance Committee, 30 Sep 2003

30 Sep 2003 · S2 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Budget Process 2004-05
I intend to explain three basic issues: where our EYF money comes from; how we allocated it; and what the results of our allocation process were. I also wish to touch on the broader issues around how we try to manage underspend within the Executive.The resources that were carried forward from our previous expenditure plans can be broken down into five categories. The first category is capital slippage, for example the delays in the roads programme, which accounts for £101 million of the £394 million total for 2002-03 and includes work on the A1, the A8 and the A830 trunk roads, which was delayed by weather conditions.The second category is future spend, which covers the occasions when departments plan to spend less in one year in order to meet future pressures. That category accounts for another £28 million, included in which is £10 million that was set aside to meet the costs of the environmental liabilities of the Glasgow housing stock transfer.The third category is demand-led programmes, which accounts for £33 million. The main elements in that category are the continuing delays in the rural development programme measures, which have been offset by higher-than-expected demand for legal aid. The fourth category is the money that is controlled by arms-length bodies, which amounts to £62 million in EYF and includes £24 million from the health boards. The fifth category is other variances, which accounts for £170 million. One of the major items in this category is an underspend in the European structural funds that was brought about by a delay in approval for European regional development fund objective 2 programme projects.Of course, this year we also have two additional items of windfall income that carry over from 2002-03 to 2003-04. The first is £196 million from Her Majesty's Treasury's reclassification of the Glasgow housing stock transfer and £148 million from additional non-domestic rates income. In many ways, the windfalls have to be seen as one-off benefits.As members are aware from a statement that I made in the chamber, it is prudent to treat those windfall gains differently in order to ensure that we make best use of the resources. We have therefore allocated the windfall money to spread the benefit across the life of the second session of Parliament. We have used the income, along with increased non-domestic rates income from this year and future years, to fund commitments that were made in the partnership agreement.I accept that forgoing the opportunity to spend more money this year is an unusual way in which to allocate our additional money, but I believe strongly that it is the prudent way. It allows us to plan for possible future pressures and to spread our windfall over the life of the second session of Parliament rather than spend it all in one year. That is a sensible way to distribute the resources that we have at our disposal.We have also been equally prudent in allocating the £394 million that is carried forward this year. We always try to ensure that we allocate our EYF in a manner that is efficient and which ensures value for money. As committee members are aware, we have in past years returned 75 per cent of portfolios' EYF back to them, with the remaining money's being distributed across the Executive according to our priorities. This year's process is slightly different in that it was linked to the exercise that we undertook to allocate money to portfolios in order to fund the partnership agreement.We assessed the money that each portfolio needed to meet partnership agreement commitments, how much of that could come from EYF and to what extent additional allocations were necessary. For some portfolios, that means that our EYF allocation covers pressures from 2003-04, for which those departments might otherwise have expected to access the contingency fund.As a result of that process, almost all portfolios have been allowed to retain 100 per cent of their EYF this year. The allocations therefore appear to match the sources of the underspend more closely than they have done in the past and more closely than they are likely to do in future. However, it is not simply a question of returning resources to portfolios without purpose; every portfolio has significant new commitments to meet and all have been through the rigorous process of justifying how much is needed to fund partnership agreement commitments. In some ways, their EYF allocations can be seen as a down payment before consideration has been given to what central resources and funds are needed.At first sight, the communities EYF allocation looks like an exception to the rule. The communities portfolio contributed £53 million to the EYF total, but has been allocated only £25 million. That figure is tied to the Treasury's decision to reclassify stock transfer debt-breakage costs, the effect of which is that the costs are now to be met by Whitehall. Because we had carried forward provision for payment of the debt-breakage costs, the communities portfolio included a significant amount of carry-forward to meet those costs. It is clear that the Treasury's treatment of those costs means that the need for the carry-forward will never arise. That has allowed us to reallocate some resources as part of the partnership agreement process.I want to deal with a point that was raised at a previous meeting of the Finance Committee, which is that our total allocations are the same as our total end-year flexibility—both figures are £394 million. The sum represents 1.9 per cent of the Executive's total managed expenditure for 2002-03 and is a significant decrease from previous year's figure of £643 million. Even if the figure for water were removed from the figures for both years, there would still be a decrease from £529 million to £360 million.I do not want to make too much of the extent of the fall in the EYF figure. As I have said in the chamber, I do not believe that there is a right level of EYF. Efforts to bring down the total to a particular target could take us back to the temptations of quick spend, which EYF was, of course, introduced to remove. In any one year, the number could be inflated by special circumstances. Committee members will remember that last year's amount—£643 million—was partly the result of more than £90 million that was carried forward to help meet the cost of the Glasgow housing stock transfer. Had the transfer date slipped from February this year to April, the figure would have been much higher than £394 million.We have a responsibility to make the best use of all of our resources and not to let EYF get unnecessarily high. We have worked to improve our management of end-year flexibility. We now have a process for releasing during the year funds to worthwhile programmes, when we can safely do so. EYF money is not new money; it is part of a process of making the best of the money that has been made available to us.Because this is not an approach that we have discussed with the committee, I thought that members would welcome some detail. Every month, I receive a monitoring report of spend against budget, with forecasts for the year as a whole. It is inevitable that the forecasts are only an approximation, but they allow my colleagues and me to identify at an early stage whether there is room to redeploy resources in year and within and between portfolios.Most of the headroom is generated by projects that slip back a few months. As projects continue to need to be funded, we cannot take resources permanently away from them. Instead, we look to whether we can bring forward any of the projects that are scheduled for the following year. Most of that happens within portfolios, but some limited moves between portfolios can be arranged centrally. Last year, a further £43 million was committed in that way.The forecasts also allow us to consider the right level of central reserves and whether any genuinely additional spending can be committed in-year. Last year, an additional £70 million was committed. In most cases, we did not need to transfer central resources to the relevant portfolio. Instead, portfolios were able to absorb the resource that was required and thereby reduce their carry-forward. Of course, we needed to compensate portfolios this year when the costs of the projects that generated the underspends fell due. At this moment, it is too early to say whether a similar process will be necessary or possible this year.I hope that that quick overview of where we are gives the committee an insight into the resource, how we have used EYF, the system that we have adopted and of some of the issues that surround end-year flexibility entitlements. I also hope that my statement, combined with the written information that members received earlier, is helpful in allowing the committee to scrutinise our EYF for 2002-03. I look forward to taking questions from the committee.

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The Convener: Lab
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Fergus Ewing: SNP
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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I was quoting Professor Midwinter, not a finance director, so the minister might like to reread his remarks in that light.
Mr Kerr: Lab
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Fergus Ewing: SNP
The question, which you have not answered, is very simple. You said that the underspend is 1.9 per cent of the total budget but, if one takes account of the ...
Mr Kerr: Lab
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Jim Mather: SNP
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Mr Kerr: Lab
I do not know how much effort on behalf of the Executive that will take, but I will come back to the member with a view on that.
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I have written to you on that issue, so perhaps we will get a response in due course.
Dr Murray: Lab
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Ms Alexander: Lab
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Richard Dennis:
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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The Convener: Lab
Do you have any further information for us about the appeals process?
Richard Dennis:
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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