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The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
29 Jan 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
I will hold the convener to his promise of giving me a light toasting rather than burning me to a crisp. The perspective sitting at this end of the table is different from that sitting at the members' end. I hope that I have a long and healthy relationship with the committee. ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
29 Jan 2004
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Double helpings, indeed. Interruption. "Double jeopardy", as well, as another member says, but we had better not go too far.I intend to talk about three specific issues: the budget process; factors that have caused the numbers in the budget to be different from the ones that w...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
29 Sep 2004
Spending Review 2004
That was a bit of grandstanding—or was it low standing?—before we start this important statement in which I will set out our budget plans for this and future generations. We aim to reignite Scotland's enterprise culture and to make us more competitive; to provide new and bette...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
06 Feb 2008
Budget (Scotland) Bill
I congratulate Mr Swinney on bringing this budget to us. As he basks in the self-righteous glory of the headlines that he appears to be already writing—and, of course, the First Minister basks in his own mega-self-righteous glory—we should not forget that it was the Tories wha...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
07 Oct 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
I will circulate some handouts, which members might find useful, about the context of my remarks.I thank the committee for giving me the chance to come along and talk about the draft 2004-05 budget. Having heard some of the previous evidence-taking session, I think that it mig...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
27 Apr 2004
Spending Review 2004
I hope that the committee has had an opportunity to take a good look at the new format of the annual evaluation report. I am sure that later in the process we will discuss the AER and the way in which we are, I hope, continuing to improve the efficacy of the information that w...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
07 Feb 2008
Local Government Finance (Scotland) Order 2008
Labour has a proud record of working in partnership with our local government colleagues. After all, it introduced three-year budget settlements, ended the two-tier workforce in local government, replaced compulsory competitive tendering with best value and introduced the powe...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Jan 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 3
What we have heard is the building of consensus, but that building of consensus has been on only the Scottish National Party's terms. That has been an unfortunate aspect of all the discussions on the budget.At stage 1 of the bill, I made it clear that the Labour Party was will...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
That is very good—I did not quite get it, but there you go.It is simply not good enough—it is bad for Scots, for Parliament and for opposition—for an Opposition party not to oppose. With regard to the debate about the alliance that is being formed in the Parliament, it is irre...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
20 Jan 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
First, I welcome the cabinet secretary's comments about working together. I strongly believe that that is the way forward. We all share the desire to deliver the best possible budget for Scotland. However, there is no exclusivity of wisdom on the Government side of the chamber...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2008
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Mr Neil's party is suppressing the response to the Howat report, and I am very interested in seeing that.Iain Gray tried to establish the budget's central purpose, which is sustainable economic growth combined with social justice. I repeat that we do not believe that that is c...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 1
I will deal with that point and with our commitment to the convener of the Finance Committee to examine the process fairly soon.The Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill is special and, because of the extensive consultation, it is subject to special procedures. The bill does several t...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
11 Sep 2003
Partnership Agreement (Funding)
In May, we signed the partnership agreement, "A Partnership for a Better Scotland", which sets out our programme for the four years of this session, in which we will combine investment with reform and modernisation with delivery. It is a programme to make a difference and a pr...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
12 Sep 2002
Spending Review 2002
I am pleased to present our spending plans, which focus resources on achieving growth and opportunity in Scotland for the next 20 years. This budget—the budget of our Labour-Liberal Democrat partnership—is a budget for the long term. The spending plans will cover the total res...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
I welcome much of what the cabinet secretary has said, and I hope that we will be in a better place—as he described it—at 5 o'clock this evening. I endorse his view that the actions of the past seven days have demonstrated a will on behalf of all the parties in the Parliament ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 Sep 2009
Budget 2010-11
We on this side of the chamber wanted a budget for jobs, for the economy and, of course, for the protection of front-line services. We have not got that.Although the UK Government has supported our banks to the tune of £37 billion and our economy to the tune of £2 billion, the...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
20 Jan 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
Of course I do. However, the point is that the Government had £1.5 billion at its disposal, which it has spent. In addition, its budget has grown year on year throughout the comprehensive spending review, including in the budget that we are discussing today. Despite that, cuts...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
Agenda item 5 is the 2002-03 budget process. We will consider the draft transport and environment budget for 2002-03 and the Scottish Executive's response to the committee's report on the budget to the Finance Committee. We can consider the issues that we might want to raise w...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 1
The debate will not be poetry in motion. The minister who spoke to us at time for reflection mentioned poets, but the debate will be neither Burns nor McGonagall—it will be a lot worse. I saw the look of despair in members' eyes when they heard that the debate had been chopped...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
26 Jun 2002
Budget Revision
I am delighted to have the opportunity to set out how we are successfully managing our resources to ensure that every penny of the Scottish budget is used for maximum impact.We are already delivering record levels of investment across the public services in Scotland. Our inves...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
"Dedicated" is not the word of which I was thinking, but it is good to be here. Earlier, I had a useful visit to an innovative modernising government fund project that Orkney Islands Council and its partners are undertaking up the road in the East Kirk. It is always useful to ...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
I begin by thanking all those who have welcomed me to my new role. I very much appreciate that. As a former committee convener, I fully understand the work that has gone into the report. As Des McNulty said in his opening remarks, the report is part of a process. We are develo...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2001
Budget Process 2002-03: Stage 2
With respect, I wanted to clear off the recommendations, so that everyone knows what we are saying about them, before I let others in on the debate.On the sixth recommendation, I am happy to consider breaking down further the Executive's administrative costs to include any add...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
10 Sep 2009
“Strategic Budget Scrutiny”
I echo everyone's congratulations to the Finance Committee on its very good report, which the convener introduced effectively. The report lays out some of the challenges that we in the Parliament and, in particular, the cabinet secretary and the Government face and the choices...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
16 Dec 2009
Pre-budget Report (Scottish Government Response)
The member had better put that point to Mr Mike Russell, who told members in the chamber no more than half an hour ago that somehow the Scottish budget—which is growing by £943 million—is being cut by £880 million. That is a fiction and it is irresponsible to make such comment...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
03 Feb 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 3
We also welcome the extra resources for education and training. Last year we fought for 8,000 apprenticeships, and we hoped for the same again this year, with a commitment to deliver more. Of course, some of that has been said today. However, I want to be cautious, having read...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Sep 2010
Independent Budget Review
Like the cabinet secretary, I thank the people who provided us with the report of the independent budget review, which we debate today.I must be honest. I did not hear from the cabinet secretary much that was new on the Government’s position, which is disappointing. We seem to...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
04 Nov 2010
Managing Scotland’s Finances
It is not good enough for Scottish Labour, because in this Parliament we know what information the Government has. We have seen the reports from the chief economic adviser and we have seen all the commentary, so we know that Mr Swinney can produce a budget. I am unsure of the ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the convener of the Finance Committee for his report to the Parliament.However, from looking at the budget, I believe that the signal failure of nearly four years of Scottish National Party Government is clear for everyone to see. When John Swinney delivered his first ...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
It is a reflection of the fact that, in the budgetary round that we are moving into and with the current AER figures, we work on a more cross-cutting basis. The budget for health includes not only the work that we do in health, but the work that we do in social justice, housin...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2002
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill: Stage 1
Clearly, there are elements in that budget figure that do not go directly to the roads, such as loan charges. With this budget and with future spending reviews, we are moving towards ensuring that resources are targeted on priorities for the people of Scotland. What cannot be ...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Chamber
24 Jun 2004
Efficient Government
I wish to outline to the Parliament how the Government will drive forward our agenda for improvement and delivery, our work to get the best value from every public pound spent and our intention to invest in Scotland's future prosperity. The United Kingdom spending review will ...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2008
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome Mr Swinney's open-mindedness about a marketing alternative to the route development fund, but he has not expressed any views in his budget proposals on political points that have been made about his Government's duty to tackle social injustice. Many members have ment...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
11 Feb 2009
Local Government Finance Act 1992 (Scotland) Order 2009
I am not prepared to accept the figure of £1 billion, because it has not yet been made available. I am talking about the budget that has been presented to this Parliament, which is making real cuts to local government throughout Scotland. That is the real effect of the SNP bud...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab Chamber
23 Jun 2010
United Kingdom Emergency Budget and End-year Flexibility
The UK budget is a traditional right-wing Tory budget. For purely political reasons, the Tories are going further and faster in closing the deficit than is necessary. In doing so, they are damaging the recovery and putting people at risk. The budget includes regressive measure...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Nov 2010
Budget 2011-12
Every budget is a test for the cabinet secretary and for the Government. This is a defining moment for the Parliament because of the challenge that our economy faces, because we need to tackle the plague of youth unemployment and because we need to put fairness and economic gr...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
We set about creating parity. Perhaps the cabinet secretary will compare his actions today to his manifesto promise that rates in Scotland would not rise above rates in England. They have just done that in relation to the supermarket tax. Labour tried to give the cabinet secre...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
09 Feb 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 3
We do not want half measures. Labour offers full measures and we will ensure that we deliver those in government. The budget has moved 0.1 per cent. Let us remember what folk—they are not from the Labour Party—say about the budget. Peter Wood, director of Optimal Economics, sa...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
30 Jan 2003
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
We wrote back to all the subject committees involved and to the Finance Committee about the details in the budget. However, the more important point is that the opportunity to make such recommendations is available not just to members and committees of the Parliament but to th...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
30 Jan 2003
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 1
That is inaccurate, and I shall correspond with Mr Adam on that point. The figures take into consideration some technical calculations to do with the use of capital in the building of a vessel. What he will find is that support for fishing has increased over the spending perio...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2008
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Tories have some previous, too, particularly given the new-found local government freedom. They introduced compulsory competitive tendering. Local government was told when to advertise tenders in local and national papers and trade journals. Such microcontrol of local gove...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
14 Jan 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
I listened with interest to what the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth said. Time will tell whether his words about addressing the needs of our times and the greater challenges that we face, and about providing the "secure foundations" that he seeks to lay d...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Jan 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
I am happy to place on the record the fact that our amendments secured the resources that were required to take forward the initiatives to which they related. We were right about those amendments then, and I am absolutely convinced that we are right now.The amendments that we ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
30 Apr 2009
United Kingdom Budget (Implications for Scotland)
I begin by making an announcement to members. In the teeth of the biggest recession for many years, there is a real-terms increase in our budget of some £2.2 billion over three years. It is a real-terms increase, not a cut. Of course, Mr Swinney fails to recognise that real-te...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
09 Feb 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 3
Mr Swinney offers box ticking on arrangements around parties. He offers half measures while Labour offers full measures. The SNP Government has been saved by the very coalition parties that seek to wreak havoc in our public services and economy in Scotland. On four occasions J...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
You are absolutely right. I support your premise that it is not simply about the budget line or the budget area. The creation of jobs is a wide function of government which involves the transport arena, support to our further and higher education institutions and the work that...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
07 Oct 2003
Budget Process 2004-05
Yes. However, before we embarked on such a project, we would have to agree any definitions with COSLA.Although I think that we could calculate a base budget, I am not sure about the value of such an exercise. Indeed, I have said as much to COSLA. After all, an attempt to carry...
Mr Kerr: Lab Committee
16 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The figure for 2001-02 was 33 per cent and the proportion will go up to 34.5 per cent in 2003-04. I do not have the intermediate figure, but Neil Rennick advises me that it is roughly the same as the figure for 2001-02. I apologise that I do not have all the detail.Given the f...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Apr 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
Agenda item 5 is the budget process. We continue our consideration of the audit process for 2002-03. The Finance Committee has produced guidance for subject committees on areas of inquiry into the budget process; that guidance has been circulated to members. Members should als...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Oct 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
On page 2, the minister notes that:"The Committee considers that a clear correlation should be demonstrable in the Scottish Executive's budget documentation between the stated aims of the Executive and the allocation of spending."That refers to earlier points on how the Execut...
Mr Kerr: Lab Chamber
29 Jan 2004
Budget (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No, I cannot give Mr Stevenson that figure at the moment. However, in relation to what I was talking about with regard to the pressure that Government places on the business community here in Scotland and in the rest of the United Kingdom, I guide the member to the survey that...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
13 Dec 2007
Local Government Finance Settlement 2008 to 2011
The settlement is a con—a concordat con that will lead to service cuts in communities throughout Scotland. Many members will not believe me, but let me give just one quotation from our national media: "Council Tax Smokescreen Masks SNP's Bonfire of the Pledges". That is exactl...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
14 Jan 2009
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
If there is anything that the SNP should do to support Scottish business and the economy, it is to remove the threat of the local income tax.We heard about the £100 million advancement on house building. We are relieved that that is in the budget for this year but, of course, ...
Andy Kerr: Lab Chamber
29 Oct 2009
Scottish Economy
Yes, it is a very important section of the economy, and I believe that those ideas require further examination. I would like to have greater engagement before pronouncing unequivocally on the point.The First Minister called it all wrong at the time of our banks' difficulties, ...
Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab): Lab Chamber
03 Feb 2010
Budget (Scotland) (No 4) Bill: Stage 3
After four and a half months of discussions, negotiations and constructive proposals from all parties in the Parliament, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth, in our view, has delivered a budget that falls far, far short of what needs to be done to stimulat...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
09 Sep 2010
Independent Budget Review
No, it would be a recipe for providing the rest of Scotland with an insight into what the Scottish Government thinks are the responsible actions that it should be taking. Mr Swinney is the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Sustainable Growth. He leads a large team of civil ser...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
09 Sep 2010
Independent Budget Review
The SNP Government’s position is very clear in the 4,000 jobs, including those of 1,500 nurses, that have been lost from the health service. The position will be clear to those health service workers who are losing their jobs. However, Mr Swinney and Ms Sturgeon have been some...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
26 Jan 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 1
The kids who are in schools that are decaying around them are not laughing, Mr Swinney. The people in our hospitals who require better care are not laughing, and the 40,000 construction workers who have lost their jobs because of Mr Swinney’s inability to make the Scottish Fut...
Andy Kerr Lab Chamber
09 Feb 2011
Budget (Scotland) (No 5) Bill: Stage 3
From my eight years in government, I recall that the SNP lodged only one amendment to the budget. I also recall that in the negotiations around the SNP Government’s first budget, we put forward 20 amendments, one of which—on police—was rejected by the SNP, which then went roun...
The Minister for Finance and Public Services (Mr Andy Kerr): Lab Committee
23 Apr 2002
Private Finance Initiative/Public-private Partnership Inquiry
I want to explain briefly my role in relation to PPP policy and funding in Scotland. I also want to answer your questions on the issue as best as I can. Sandy Rosie and Andrew Clearie are here to help me with that.I have done my best to read the Official Report of some of the ...
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Finance Committee, 29 Jan 2002

29 Jan 2002 · S1 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill
I will hold the convener to his promise of giving me a light toasting rather than burning me to a crisp. The perspective sitting at this end of the table is different from that sitting at the members' end. I hope that I have a long and healthy relationship with the committee. I am sure that it will be based on the fact that we all want the best for Scotland.I must go through some formalities in relation to the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill. First, I thank the committee for the invitation to give evidence. I have a brief statement, which sets out what the budget documents are and, perhaps more important, what each of them does. There are three documents: the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill with the schedules to it, the pre-Budget Bill report and the detailed budget documents for 2002-03.The Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill authorises the use of resources by the Scottish Executive and the payment of cash out of the Scottish consolidated fund. The bill is split into three parts. Broadly speaking, part 1 deals with the maximum amount of resources that are payable out of the Scottish consolidated fund and the application of income that is otherwise payable into the fund. Part 1 also deals with contingency arrangements, local authority capital expenditure and borrowing by statutory bodies. Part 2 contains emergency arrangements in case there is no Budget Bill for the financial year 2003-04. Part 3 contains an order-making power, which will allow ministers to revise the numbers in the bill.Some of the changes from the Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill are worth pointing out. First, the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill gives ministers the power to net account for VAT. Previously, VAT was treated as an accruing resource—it appeared under that heading in schedules 1 to 4 to last year's bill. In this year's bill, section 1, on the Scottish Administration, and section 2, on direct-funded bodies, have been drafted so that VAT is separated out and given authorisation without limit. Section 1(7) and section 2(6) provide a definition of VAT.Secondly, the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill gives ministers greater powers in relation to budget revisions. The power to amend schedule 5 has been extended to apply to the whole schedule and not only—as in previous years—to the amounts specified in the schedule. That allows the bill to be amended so that an appropriate entry can be inserted where a body that is subject to a borrowing limit is set up during the financial year to which the bill relates. A good example of that is the Water Industry (Scotland) Bill, which is going through the Parliament and with which the convener and I are pretty familiar. Section 7 in part 3 of the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill has been redrafted to reflect the extended powers. After the bill's introduction, the amendment went before the Subordinate Legislation Committee for scrutiny.The bill has 10 sections, which refer to the spending that is set out in the five schedules. Sections 1 and 2 set limits on the expenditure and income of departmental and direct-funded bodies. Section 2 has six subsections and deals with the funding of the direct-funded bodies, such as the Forestry Commission, the Food Standards Agency, the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body and Audit Scotland. Section 3 provides the authority for, and sets limits on, the payment of cash from the Scottish consolidated fund.Section 4 provides ministers with the powers to make contingency payments and sets out the conditions under which such payments might be made. For example, a payment might be made to meet the public interest, but only if it is required with such urgency that the public interest cannot be satisfied by budget legislation. Section 4 sets a limit of £50 million on contingency payments.Section 5 provides for the capital expenditure of local authorities and for the borrowing of a series of statutory bodies. Those bodies are the national health service trusts, Scottish Homes, Scottish Enterprise, Highlands and Islands Enterprise, the water authorities and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.Section 6 puts in place arrangements in case there is no Budget Bill for the financial year 2003-04. The section applies only to cash authorisation. The emergency powers to authorise the use of resources in the absence of a Budget Bill are set out in section 2 of the Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000. It provides that the purposes set out in the schedules to the Budget (Scotland) (No 3) Bill are applicable to 2003-04 if there is no Budget Bill for that year. It also sets out the maximum amount that may be paid in any calendar month in 2003-04: one twelfth of the maximum amount authorised by the bill to be paid out in this financial year, or the amount paid out in the corresponding calendar month of this financial year.Section 7 gives ministers an order-making power to amend the bill when it is enacted. That power allows for budget amendments. Section 7 specifies that the order will be subject to the affirmative procedure. Section 8 repeals part 2 of the Budget (Scotland) Act 2001. Section 9 gives interpretations and section 10 gives the short title.There are five schedules to the bill, which set out the purposes to which expenditure may be put, the maximum amount of expenditure, the types of receipts that may be raised and the limits applicable to those receipts.Schedule 1 sets out the purposes for Scottish Executive departments and associated departments, and the maximum amount that can be paid out of the consolidated fund to meet the specific limits on incomes. Schedule 2 sets out by Scottish Executive department and associated departments a general spending limit on a range of incomes, each of which has a specified purpose. Schedule 3 is the equivalent of schedule 1 for the direct-funded bodies. Those are the Forestry Commission, the Food Standards Agency, the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body and Audit Scotland. Schedule 4 is the same as schedule 2, but applies to the direct-funded bodies. Schedule 5 sets out the borrowing of the statutory bodies—the national health service trusts, Scottish Homes, Scottish Enterprise, Highlands and Islands Enterprise, the water authorities and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency.The introduction to "Scotland's Budget Documents 2002-03" provides background on the overall public expenditure aggregates and how the system of public finance works. It also gives information on the limits on non-voted spending which is not covered by the budget documents. The budget documents contain the departmental summary, which is supported by a series of schedules and which shows the current and capital expenditure by level 2 subheading and the various categories of receipts. Where possible, further details are provided on the programmes that make up level 2, that is, level 3. In addition, we have provided the real-terms figure after each vote.I have covered the core aspects of the documents that members have before them. Now that they have been introduced, I am happy to take questions. Unlike me, David Palmer has been steeped in the budget from the word go; I might have to use his services throughout the morning.

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Mr Kerr: Lab
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David Palmer (Scottish Executive Finance and Central Services Division):
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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The information would be welcome—your approach follows our line of thinking.This is a minor point, but the budget for the finance and central services depart...
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP): SNP
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Mr Kerr: Lab
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Alasdair Morgan: SNP
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Mr Kerr: Lab
I am sure that your party would never envisage shuffling portfolios.
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
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Mr Kerr: Lab
I will ask David Palmer to respond to that point. The £88 million has not yet been allocated through the budget process, although there have been Cabinet dis...
David Palmer:
Members will see where the £88 million has been allocated in the autumn revisions.
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
Is the £88 million additional to the resources that are in the bill?
David Palmer:
Yes.
Alasdair Morgan: SNP
Are there any other available resources that are not mentioned in the bill? In other words, do the resources in the bill, plus that £88 million, comprise the...
David Palmer:
The line that is about three quarters of the way down the table on page 6 of "Scotland's Budget Documents 2002-03" shows the total Scottish estimates—that is...
Brian Adam (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
My understanding of the purpose of the Budget Bill is that it gives ministers authority to spend the money that is available to the Executive. What mechanism...
Mr Kerr: Lab
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Brian Adam: SNP
Does the matter come back to the Parliament before the money is spent?
David Palmer:
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Brian Adam: SNP
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David Palmer:
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The Convener: Lab
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David Palmer:
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The Convener: Lab
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