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Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Jan 2016
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I cannot begin by thanking Christine Grahame for bringing forward the bill, but I congratulate her. It takes no little commitment and effort to bring forward a bill to this stage and, whatever the outcome, I am very happy to recognise that she has applied a great deal of both ...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I have a supplementary question. I was very interested that Mr Henderson used the word “expectation”. I raised the same point in our previous session. Christine Grahame rightly says that the bill is about drawing a line on a map. It is not about the bureaucracy, planning or a...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con Committee
25 Jun 2015
Interests
Good morning and welcome to the first meeting of the Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill Committee in the fourth session of the Scottish Parliament. There is no one in the public gallery, so I do not have to instruct members of the public who wish to use tablet devices ...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, gentlemen. I have a brief supplementary question. I find this issue quite interesting. I think that it was Mr McGregor who described the current park as providing a slightly more managed recreational environment, if I can put it that way. I do not want to put wor...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I think that that answers my question. Thank you.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
One or two of the witnesses have mentioned SRDP as a possible source of funding, as have others. Can you confirm that the amount of SRDP funding that is available through the improving public access pot—which is what I think we are talking about here—has been reduced and is no...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
So, no one can confirm that. My understanding is that the improving access pot averages out at £1.2 million over five years. It would be useful to find out, because if the amount is reducing that clearly adds to the pressure. We were talking about revenue costs. Has anyone es...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
You have already given us a picture of the current budget as being pretty well stretched in terms of providing the required objectives, so I take it that an extended park could not be covered by current costs. Is that the answer to my second question?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I admire Christine Grahame’s tenacity and reasoning in trying to find time to look at a different model, but the only different model that I have heard suggested is a trust model. I have some knowledge of trusts, although I am no expert. Can anybody tell me of a trust model th...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am not aware of any, but I just wondered whether the witnesses were, from their experience. I think that that point has some bearing on the issues that we are considering.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Let us move on to a slightly different topic. You all heard the previous evidence session, in which a number of, if not all, the witnesses said that it was quite difficult to answer some of the questions because of the lack of detail on or knowledge of what would be involved i...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I hear what you are saying. Forgive this question, but it is born out of ignorance on my part. If there were to be a feasibility study, who would initiate it? Where would the original call for that come from?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
They would put the finance behind it. I will say no more. Sorry—that may have sounded a bit flippant, and I do not mean to be flippant. You are saying that, so far, you have concentrated not so much on feasibility studies as on how the existing park could be made to work bette...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Thank you very much.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I have a follow-up question that stems from the question from my colleague Mike MacKenzie about how the pressures that Mr Barr referred to can be better managed. If the designated area of the regional park is increased, something of a magnet will be created for people to go an...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
The potential danger of increasing the designated area in the regional park without having the resource to manage the pressures suggests to me that the existing park, in which there is a degree of management, might be diminished if that management is not replicated in the rest...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
29 Oct 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am fine with that answer. Does anyone else want to comment?
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, gentlemen. I want to move on to the general area of planning restrictions and bureaucracy, on which a certain amount of written evidence has been put to us. My understanding is that there are no compulsory planning restrictions on land within a designated regiona...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Are you aware of any restrictions being placed on them or extra costs being imposed on them because they are within the park?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
The Gilchrists say in their submission: “We feel that we will be disadvantaged by the boundary extension due to the increased bureaucracy we would be subjected to.” Given what you have just said, what do they base that on?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
While Mr Dykes is on the microphone, so to speak, I will move on to a slightly different aspect of the submission from the Gilchrists. They also say that they are “very surprised not to have been consulted in any way about the proposal”. As a farmer who would be in the new p...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Are you aware of any other farmers in the area who have or have not been consulted?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am grateful for those answers. We can ask further questions on the issue later.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I feel that I have to ask one more supplementary question.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
It is just that I think that this is a really interesting debate. I hear where you are coming from and I can totally understand the pressures from a Balerno perspective and why you have the concerns that you have expressed. However, are we not in danger of putting the cart bef...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I have a brief supplementary question. Mr Henderson raised the important issue of volunteers and voluntary input. The less well funded a designated area is, the more it will depend on voluntary input to keep up core paths and that sort of thing, and I think that that is releva...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I was not suggesting that that is why you are here.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Does either of the other witnesses have examples of what Friends of the Pentlands has done outwith the park area?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
12 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Some of that work allows a degree of visitor management to take place, although it is not in the regional park.
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, minister and officials. The member in charge of the bill has quite rightly said that the bill, if it were passed, would simply draw a line on the map, which would delineate an area of extension that, she believes, is desirable. Her reasoning for that is that, by...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I think that you are saying that, even if the bill were passed, the Scottish Government would have no remit over it and how it was all taken forward.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Given that, my next question may be irrelevant, but do you have any idea or estimate of what additional resources might be required if the proposal were to go ahead?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Okay. Thanks, minister.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, Christine. I want to ask a slightly more general question based on something that the minister said before I move on to the specific area that I want to ask about. In her evidence, the minister made it quite clear that, previously, regional parks have been the s...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Yes, we are. We are dictating the park’s boundaries if we pass the bill.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Thank you for your answer. Although you say quite rightly that the bill is about drawing a line on a map, it seems to me that it is a bit of a thin line when it comes to those we are passing the responsibility on to. I also hope that the member in charge agrees that, although...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I generally accept that point. We have asked for clarification from one witness who said that they were aware of some impact that the current provision had had. However, I simply point out that the fact that the current legislation already includes the phrase “have regard to ...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I want to ask a supplementary before I move on to my specific questions. As you will have heard me say before, if the bill were to be enacted, there would inevitably be a headline in the papers saying, “Pentlands Regional Park Extension Agreed” alongside a large map showing th...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry to interrupt, but the public do not have a right to roam; they have a right of responsible access. There is a big difference between the two.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
All of that is already part of the countryside access code.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
One could make a strong case that the right of responsible access came about as a result of public demand. Where is the public demand for extending the area of the Pentlands regional park?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I was asking about demand, not support. They are different things.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I still think that there is a significant difference between demand and support, but I will leave that to one side just now. What additional environmental or landscape benefits would the proposals bring?
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I have a brief supplementary that indirectly relates to that point. It is about a funding issue, although it is not quite the same one. My question arises from a point that one or two witnesses have brought to our attention—not least Mr Henderson, who, as you quite rightly sai...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry to interrupt—I agree with you entirely but my question is related to Mr Henderson’s point that if a feasibility study has not happened, it should have done. In other words, there is a view, which has come from others as well, that a feasibility study should take pre...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
—is clearly different.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
19 Nov 2015
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
To be fair, I think that Mr Henderson is keen that the only part of the regional park that should be extended is the area surrounding Balerno, which is the one part that would not be extended. However, you have already explained the reason behind that, so I am quite happy to m...
The Presiding Officer Con Chamber
11 May 2011
Oaths and Affirmations
I repeat my request for members on the floor of the chamber, guests in the gallery and our friends in the press gallery to turn off their mobile phones—I would be very grateful if they did so.I recommence our oaths and affirmations ceremony by calling Alison Johnstone, Lothian...
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
25 Jun 2015
Interests
Similarly, I have no interests to declare, other than what is in my entry in the register of interests, which would not prejudice my position on the committee.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
25 Jun 2015
Convener
Our second agenda item is to choose a convener. Parliament has agreed that, in this instance, the convener should come from the Scottish National Party. That being the case, I seek a nomination for the position of convener.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
25 Jun 2015
Convener
Thank you very much. We do not need a seconder, but the nomination of James Dornan has been seconded by David Stewart. Are there any other nominations? There are not. James Dornan was chosen as convener.
Alex Fergusson Con Committee
25 Jun 2015
Convener
I congratulate James Dornan on his appointment and I willingly hand over to him to convene the remainder of the proceedings.
Alex Fergusson Con Chamber
26 Jan 2016
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. All members who spoke in the debate gave credit to Christine Grahame for the effort that she put into bringing the bill to this stage. She mentioned in her opening remarks the shortage of time given to the debate, and however much I migh...
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Meeting of the Parliament 26 January 2016

26 Jan 2016 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill: Stage 1
Fergusson, Alex Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

I cannot begin by thanking Christine Grahame for bringing forward the bill, but I congratulate her. It takes no little commitment and effort to bring forward a bill to this stage and, whatever the outcome, I am very happy to recognise that she has applied a great deal of both during the best part of two years that have passed since the proposal for the bill was lodged.

I also have some sympathy with Christine Grahame’s vision of extending the existing regional park boundaries as the bill seeks to do, in that there is a certain logic in assuming that a Pentland hills regional park should encompass the whole Pentland hills range. There, I am sorry to say, is where I think that the vision should be left for the foreseeable future—as a vision.

The bill does not seek to create an extended park or to establish the infrastructure to manage it. It seeks, as Christine Grahame has often reminded us, and has done so again today, to draw a line on the map within which an extended park could operate. The committee was surely right to look at what the consequences of that would be. Ms Grahame’s belief is that it would drive the five affected local authorities towards putting in place the necessary management structures and funding them to bring about a successfully extended park. So far so good, but the problem with that—this was made very clear to the committee—is that four out of those five affected local authorities do not want an extended park and that the other would not consider it at all unless sufficient funding were made available by the Scottish Government. In turn, the Government made it equally plain that it was not in its plans to do so.

Indeed, the minister pointed out in giving evidence that regional parks have always been the preserve of local rather than national Government. Traditionally, they have been demanded by local authorities and managed and funded by local authorities. It seems to me that it would be inappropriate for our national Parliament to impose extended boundaries on local authorities when they have shown no desire themselves to extend those boundaries.

If we were to agree to extend the Pentland hills regional park boundary, even if it was just a line on a map, we would have to ask ourselves what the consequences would be. In my view, an extended boundary would mean increased expectation, which would increase pressure on the park, particularly within the extended area; that increased pressure would lead to a demand for increased infrastructure and the funding to back it up, but we already know that that would not be forthcoming.

It is not just the local authorities that seem to be lukewarm, at best, about the proposal; there appears to be little, if any, demand for the proposal from the likely users of an extended park. I am sure that that is largely due to the success of the right of responsible access that was brought in by the Scottish Parliament back in 2003, which gives people access to all the land in Scotland. Indeed, we heard from land managers from the area within the proposed extension, who have already diversified into providing various services for walkers, cyclists and other access takers. They said that they had not experienced any pressure for greater access to the area beyond the existing park, which is another sure sign that the demand for an extension is not there.

The one and only witness who enthusiastically favoured an extended boundary was the chair of Balerno community council. I believe that Balerno is an area that is under increasing pressure from the existing park, but it is not actually included within Christine Grahame’s proposed extension.

We have a proposal before us that, if passed, would impose new park boundaries on five local authorities, four of which are opposed to them and one of which would consider them only if sufficient funding were available, which it will not be. There is little, if any, demand for the proposal from either the public or land managers; no feasibility or environmental impact studies have been carried out on the proposal; and I believe that it would be irresponsible for the Parliament to dictate to local authorities on an issue that has always been their sole preserve, even if it is just to put a line on a map.

I support the committee’s recommendations, and the Scottish Conservatives will not support the bill at decision time this evening.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Tricia Marwick) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S4M-15130, in the name of Christine Grahame, on the Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill. I call Chris...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am pleased to open today’s debate on the Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill. It is a short bill, but in my view it de...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
Before I set out the committee’s findings, I thank the committee members and clerks for all their help and support during the committee’s consideration of th...
The Minister for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Aileen McLeod) SNP
I thank the Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill Committee for its consideration of the bill, and I thank everyone who gave oral and written evidence. ...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak today as a member of the Pentland Hills Regional Park Boundary Bill Committee. I am sure that everyone here today shares ...
Alex Fergusson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I cannot begin by thanking Christine Grahame for bringing forward the bill, but I congratulate her. It takes no little commitment and effort to bring forward...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (John Scott) Con
I call David Stewart to make his closing speech—two minutes, Mr Stewart. 14:37
David Stewart Lab
A point that has not been covered particularly in the debate is one that the committee convener made, which is that the committee wrote to the Standards, Pro...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
I call Aileen McLeod to wind up on behalf of the Government. 14:38
Aileen McLeod SNP
I have listened with interest to the contributions to the debate. The member in charge of the bill, Christine Grahame, described it as enabling legislation t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Finally, I call Christine Grahame to wind up. 14:40
Christine Grahame SNP
I find myself in the unusual position of being in disagreement with my Government. It is a strange place to be. I go back to that ubiquitous line on the map...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you for that spirited contribution. That concludes the debate.
Alex Fergusson Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. All members who spoke in the debate gave credit to Christine Grahame for the effort that she put into bringing the bi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Thank you, Mr Fergusson. As a past Presiding Officer of the Parliament, you will be well aware that that is not a point of order. However, you have made your...