Chamber
Plenary, 07 Oct 1999
07 Oct 1999 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Memorandum of Understanding and Concordats
I am so sorry.
Is not it the case that, prior to today's debate, it was said, for instance by Mr McLeish when the European Parliament Committee on Legal Affairs and the Internal Market visited Edinburgh, that if the Scottish interest dominated on a particular issue, for example, on fishing, the Scottish minister attending negotiations would have priority? Has that position changed?
Is not it the case that, prior to today's debate, it was said, for instance by Mr McLeish when the European Parliament Committee on Legal Affairs and the Internal Market visited Edinburgh, that if the Scottish interest dominated on a particular issue, for example, on fishing, the Scottish minister attending negotiations would have priority? Has that position changed?
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The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
Our business this morning is a debate on a motion on the memorandum of understanding and an amendment lodged by the Scottish National party.
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP):
SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. This morning, we are being asked to consider a motion lodged by the First Minister that asks the Parliament to endors...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I thank Mr Swinney for the notice, albeit short, that he courteously gave me of this point of order. Does any member of the Executive wish to respond to Mr S...
The First Minister (Donald Dewar):
Lab
In fact, I did not get any notice of the point of order. The matter has just been drawn to my attention in the past two minutes. Mr Swinney has half a good p...
Mr Swinney:
SNP
On a point of order. I thank the First Minister for his comments and for acknowledging the problems that have been created for the Parliament by this omissio...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
First of all, I want to say that it is a pleasure to deal for a change with a genuine point of order, however difficult. Laughter. I think that the common-se...
The First Minister (Donald Dewar):
Lab
I was entertained by that exercise in barrack-room lawyers' skills. I say that as a compliment to Mr Swinney—I have never sneered at able barrack- room lawye...
Mr Swinney:
SNP
The First Minister made a comment on whether the documents are legally binding. I refer him to an exchange in the House of Commons on 12 May 1998 between Mr ...
The First Minister:
Lab
I am not aware of that quotation. I accept, though, from John Swinney, that that was said. I will take advice on this in the course of this morning, but my u...
Mr Murray Tosh (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
To follow on from the previous point, how might this Parliament scrutinise the working of the concordats? It appears that the Public Administration Committee...
The First Minister:
Lab
One of the features of this Parliament is a range of committees that are probably more powerful than any parliamentary committees that I have seen. They have...
Alex Neil (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Opening.
Mr Swinney:
SNP
Opening: it is just coming.
The First Minister:
Lab
Opening—worse still. Do not give me all the bad news at once. I am sorry to see this: I thought that John Swinney was here to substitute for Alex Salmond, bu...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP) rose—
SNP
The First Minister:
Lab
I put it to Margaret Ewing, who rises, that that is proper and is what should be expected. There is therefore no cause for trying to set up a series of false...
Mrs Ewing:
SNP
I make no pretence, as Donald Dewar knows, about my strong and long-standing commitment to independence. I am concerned that the documents seem solely to rel...
The First Minister:
Lab
Where is its role? We are actually discussing the documents at the moment. It seems slightly perverse for Margaret Ewing to ask, "What is our role?" when we ...
Hugh Henry (Paisley South) (Lab):
Lab
Will the First Minister give way?
Ms Margo MacDonald (Lothians) (SNP):
SNP
Will the First Minister give way?
The First Minister:
Lab
I will give way briefly.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I call Mr Henry.
Hugh Henry:
Lab
Alex Neil commented that the concordats are defective because they have been drafted in secret in London, and that they are heavily weighted towards London's...
The First Minister:
Lab
Of course they have. I have made the point that before 1 July, when I was still Scottish secretary, officials from the Scottish Office were involved in the b...
Alex Neil:
SNP
Will the First Minister give way?
The First Minister:
Lab
I was asked to speak for only 15 minutes, so I am getting alarmed at the number of interventions. I will let Alex Neil in once, but then I must make some pro...
Alex Neil:
SNP
Are the First Minister and Hugh Henry trying to kid us on that the concordats were reached jointly? In an answer that I received from the First Minister on 1...
The First Minister:
Lab
That is a tremendously clever point, but it shows a total misunderstanding of the constitutional position. The drafts were prepared, against the backdrop of ...
Mr Swinney:
SNP
That is the point that I was making.
The First Minister:
Lab
No. You missed out the fact that the concordats are not intended to be legally binding. Mr McLeish was clearly referring to the possibility of judicial revie...