Committee
Justice 1 Committee, 11 Jun 2002
11 Jun 2002 · S1 · Justice 1 Committee
Item of business
Items in Private
The suggestion is that we take three items in private. I am happy to discuss in public the scope of what we will do on the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill and the inquiry into the alternatives to custody. I do not feel strongly about that one way or the other. I think that determination of scope is a matter of public interest.Clearly, the draft report for the prison estates review will ultimately be published as the committee's collective view. The danger of discussing the draft report in public is that the draft report will just become the property of the clerks because members will be conscious all the time of what they are saying. If we are seeking to reach consensus, then there is merit in that discussion, on a document that will be public, taking place in private so that we do not get committees being divided. If you have the debate on the draft report in public, then it becomes known, for example, who is for which amendment. That makes it difficult to maintain the unity of committees.As a former member of the Executive, I confirm that the reports that caused one the most angst were those that were unanimously endorsed by a committee, because those reports carried the whole force of Parliament. If we discuss the draft report issue in public, we might inadvertently undermine our ability to present a unified face when the report is published.
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The Convener:
SNP
I ask whether members agree to consider the remit of our inquiry into alternatives to custody, forward planning for the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill and ...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
The Procedures Committee has been examining people's views on how well committees are doing and has found that the most common complaint is about committees ...
The Convener:
SNP
Which of the three items are you referring to, Donald? Do you mean all three?
Donald Gorrie:
LD
I mean all three. There is an argument about whether draft reports should be discussed in private or in public. Not everyone shares my views, but I propose t...
The Convener:
SNP
That is fine. Thank you.
Ms Wendy Alexander (Paisley North) (Lab):
Lab
The suggestion is that we take three items in private. I am happy to discuss in public the scope of what we will do on the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill a...
The Convener:
SNP
Does anyone else have a comment?
Lord James Douglas-Hamilton (Lothians) (Con):
Con
Much of the discussion of the drafting of the report will be about how best matters should be expressed and whether a form of words can be found. That kind o...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab):
Lab
I agree with what Wendy Alexander said about the need to discuss the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill and the remit of the inquiry into alternatives to custo...
The Convener:
SNP
I concur. The position of the draft report stands out from that of the other items. We would have the reporting of the draft and that might change the nature...
Donald Gorrie:
LD
No, I will settle for that. It is a marginal point as to whether, if we discuss whether to talk to Professor Bloggs or Mr McTavish about the Title Conditions...
The Convener:
SNP
That is noted. Does the committee agree to deal with forward planning for the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill and the draft report on the prison estates rev...
Members indicated agreement.