Committee
Local Government Committee, 05 Nov 2002
05 Nov 2002 · S1 · Local Government Committee
Item of business
Local Government in Scotland Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 62 is a technical amendment. It would solve a problem that was first raised by the Scottish Parliament information centre—SPICe. I am grateful for its close scrutiny of the bill, which highlighted the problem.In section 1, best value is referred to as being"continuous improvement in the performance of the authority's functions."Amendment 62 would ensure that improvement in the outcomes that local authorities achieve will be captured in the bill, as well as the processes by which the outcomes are arrived at. Auditors would be able to test and comment on whether there is evidence that outcomes are improving. The amendment will help to tie scrutiny of performance indicator information into best-value scrutiny processes.Such information on outcomes could come from a variety of sources. It might be information that is collected by local authorities for their own use. It might be that which is collected and provided by local authorities in response to a direction from the Accounts Commission for Scotland under the Local Government Act 1992, as amended by section 15, which looks for outcomes that are suitable for national best value and community planning agendas. The information might even have been collected by other organisations, such as through the "Scottish Household Survey". The important criteria will be whether available information has something to tell us about outcomes and is reliable—not who is responsible for producing it.I move amendment 62.
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The Convener:
Lab
Before we move on to stage 2 consideration of the Local Government in Scotland Bill, I will outline some housekeeping arrangements. I welcome to the committe...
Section 1—Local authorities' duty to secure best value
The Convener:
Lab
The first amendment to be debated is amendment 60, which is grouped with amendments 61 and 64.
Ms Sandra White (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
The original intention behind amendment 60 was to create a new subsection. On the advice of the clerks, I am seeking instead to add the new wording that is p...
The Deputy Minister for Finance and Public Services (Peter Peacock):
Lab
I regret to say that I have real reservations about Sandra White's amendments, even though I recognise the spirit in which they were proposed. I understand w...
The Convener:
Lab
I ask Sandra White whether she wishes to press or withdraw amendment 60.
Ms White:
SNP
As I accept the minister's explanation with regard to amendment 60, I will withdraw it and I will support Sylvia Jackson's amendment 62. However, I will move...
Amendment 60, by agreement, withdrawn.
Amendment 61 moved—Ms Sandra White.
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 61 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Lab
There will be a division.
ForWhite, Ms Sandra (Glasgow) (SNP)AgainstGodman, Trish (West Renfrewshire) (Lab)Harding, Mr Keith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)Jackson, Dr Sylvia (Stirling)...
The Convener:
Lab
The result of the division is: For 1, Against 5, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 61 disagreed to.
The Convener:
Lab
Amendment 1 is grouped with amendment 31
Peter Peacock:
Lab
We were happy to respond positively to the committee's recommendation that sustainable development should be referred to in the duty of best value that is in...
Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD):
LD
I welcome the minister's acceptance of the committee's recommendation in its stage 1 report that the bill should include sustainable development and sustaina...
The Convener:
Lab
I ask the minister to wind up. It would also be helpful if you could expand on the issue of best value in public bodies.
Peter Peacock:
Lab
I welcome the committee's support for amendment 1. As far as best value throughout the rest of the public sector is concerned, I said in my opening speech in...
Amendment 1 agreed to.
The Convener:
Lab
I call Kate Maclean, on behalf of the Equal Opportunities Committee, to speak to and move amendment 2, which is grouped with amendment 9.
Kate Maclean (Dundee West) (Lab):
Lab
Amendments 2 and 9 seek to implement the 10th recommendation of the Equal Opportunities Committee's stage 1 report on the Local Government in Scotland Bill. ...
Mr Keith Harding (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
I have some concerns about amendment 9. I understand where the Equal Opportunities Committee is coming from and I am supportive of its point of view. However...
Ms White:
SNP
I support amendments 2 and 9. It is important that the Scottish Parliament leads the way. Local councils support equal opportunities; under law they should s...
Peter Peacock:
Lab
I listened carefully to what Kate Maclean said. She knows that the Executive is keen to advance the cause of equalities wherever that is feasible. The Equal ...
Kate Maclean:
Lab
I am unable not to press the amendments because they were lodged on behalf of the Equal Opportunities Committee. The committee discussed the issues that the ...
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 2 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Lab
There will be a division.