Committee
Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee 18 June 2019
18 Jun 2019 · S5 · Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee
Item of business
Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
This group of amendments relates to the fair and safe Scottish emissions budget. Section 5 sets out the target-setting criteria that ministers must request the relevant body—that is, of course, the CCC—to have regard to when providing its advice on targets, and that ministers must take into account when modifying the net zero emissions target year or an interim target percentage figure. One of the criteria is: “the objective of not exceeding the fair and safe Scottish emissions budget”. The bill mirrors the definition of the fair and safe Scottish emissions budget found in the 2009 act. That definition is: “the aggregate amount of net Scottish emissions for the period 2010-2050 recommended by the relevant body as being consistent with Scotland contributing appropriately to stabilisation of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.” I have listened to calls from stakeholders and the committee to align that definition more closely with the Paris agreement. I have therefore lodged amendment 54, which directly links the definition of the budget to the Paris agreement global temperature aim, set out in article 2.1(a) of that agreement, of “Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels and pursuing efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels”. I have also lodged amendment 55, which would require ministers to seek regular updates—at least every five years—from the CCC on the appropriate level of the budget. The budget is not set at the discretion of ministers—it is determined solely by the independent expert advice of the CCC. Amendment 70 would require annual reports on emissions reduction targets to include information on the current level of the fair and safe Scottish emissions budget, and to set out alongside that the cumulative level of net Scottish emissions since 2010. Amendments 52 and 85 are consequential and would ensure that the new definition would be applied throughout the updated act. Claudia Beamish has lodged amendments 95, 96, 98 and 99, which also relate to the fair and safe emissions budget. In particular, the first of those proposes an alternative redefinition of the budget; the remainder are largely parallel to the Government amendments in the group. I recognise the well-meaning intent of her amendments. However, our respective amendments on the definition of the budget cannot both be agreed at this time. The essential difference between them is that my amendment 54 includes the full wording of the Paris agreement global temperature aim, whereas Claudia Beamish’s amendment 95 refers to that aim in a general sense and also makes references to certain UNFCCC principles in relation to how a Scottish share of the global budget should be determined. There are also more technical, but not unsubstantial, differences between the two sets of amendments. For example, my amendment 55 specifically requires the CCC to be asked to set out a new budget if the current one is no longer appropriate, whereas Claudia Beamish’s amendment 98 does not specify what should happen in that situation. As I said in the debate on earlier groupings, I would be happy to work with Claudia Beamish towards achieving a sensible and effective way of reflecting considerations of climate justice and international development in the bill at stage 3. In particular, I would be happy for that work to find a suitable way to reflect the UNFCCC principles, as well as the wording of the Paris agreement temperature goal, in the definition of the fair and safe emissions budget. On that basis, I urge Claudia Beamish not to press any of her amendments in the group and I ask members instead to support the Government’s amendments. I move amendment 52.
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The Convener
SNP
Item 2 is consideration of amendments to the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. I welcome members who are joining us t...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 91, in the name of Claudia Beamish, is grouped with amendments 104, 93, 103 and 50.
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab)
Lab
I thank the convener at the start of a long and important process. My amendments in the group are deeply significant in that they will ensure that Parliamen...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con)
Con
The purpose of amendment 104 is to ensure that, in the interests of transparency, the bill sets out clear objectives with regard to the functions to be exerc...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
SNP
Amendment 50, in my name, is perhaps the simplest amendment that we will consider today. Although it is being debated as part of the first group, it will be ...
Claudia Beamish
Lab
Will the member give way?
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Let me say a little bit more, and then I will give way.
Claudia Beamish
Lab
It is just to clarify—
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Just a tiny wee second. I just want to point out that section 41 of the 2008 act, which relates to the powers to give guidance, says: “The national authorit...
Claudia Beamish
Lab
I would like clarification. Was the reference to the proposed new subsection a reference to “ensuring domestic policies and strategies do not undermine inte...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
My position, which can be challenged, is a much more general one. It is that the Scottish Parliament simply does not have the power to mandate what the UK Co...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Green
I want to make a few comments about the amendments in the group. It is important to realise that the bill is not only about reducing greenhouse gas emissions...
The Convener
SNP
Claudia Beamish will be able to address those points when she winds up. I call the cabinet secretary.
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham)
SNP
I am sympathetic to Claudia Beamish’s amendments in the group, and I acknowledge her consistently strong voice on the matter. The Scottish Government is supp...
Claudia Beamish
Lab
This has been a helpful debate, but I say to the cabinet secretary that this is not about good intentions; it is important that climate justice principles ar...
The Convener
SNP
Amendment 1 is grouped with amendments 1B, 2, 3, 105, 4 to 6, 92, 39, 7 to 13, 13B, 14 to 20, 40, 41, 21, 42, 22, 23, 43, 24, 44, 25, 26, 45, 27, 28, 28A, 29...
Roseanna Cunningham
SNP
Following the special report last year from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on the impact of global warming of 1.5°C above pre-industrial level...
The Convener
SNP
I call Mark Ruskell to move amendment 1B and to speak to all amendments in the group.
Mark Ruskell
Green
Thanks. How long have I got? It is an emergency, isn’t it?
The Convener
SNP
Five minutes.
Mark Ruskell
Green
Great. I am sure that I will not need all that. Amendment 1B is an amendment to amendment 1, in the name of the cabinet secretary. I accept the broad thrust...
Maurice Golden
Con
The intention of amendment 105 was purely to provide increased clarity on the definition of “net-zero”. However, having listened to what the cabinet secretar...
Claudia Beamish
Lab
I support amendment 1, which seeks to set a target of 2045 for reaching net zero, and the cabinet secretary’s consequential amendments. My amendment 92 seek...
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
It is probably important that I put something on the record right now as a matter of principle: we should simply not change dates or percentages when that pu...
Mark Ruskell
Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
I will, if that is permitted.
The Convener
SNP
Mark Ruskell will have a chance to wind up, so I would like him to park his comments for now. Another member wants to speak to the amendments.
Mark Ruskell
Green
I did not realise that I will have a chance to wind up.
The Convener
SNP
You will. Mr Stevenson, have you finished?
Stewart Stevenson
SNP
Yes.