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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
20 Nov 2024
Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill
The Parliament has been asked to agree that the Scottish Government can put before the Parliament emergency legislation—a bill that we saw only on Monday—to change the approach of Scottish prisons to the release of short-term and long-term prisoners. That is a substantial chan...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
15 Jan 2004
European Commission<br />(Work Programme)
I welcome this European and External Relations Committee debate and add my voice to those of others who have talked about the need for the Parliament and its committees to become involved more systematically in the scrutiny of European legislation. As a committee convener, I h...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I turn to the Freedom of Information (Fees for Disclosure under Section 13) (Scotland) Regulations 2004, which I am more concerned about, as in the draft Freedom of Information (Fees for Required Disclosure) (Scotland) Regulations 2004, the policy objective was clear. On the F...
Pauline McNeill Lab Committee
25 May 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am sympathetic to what Jamie Greene has outlined with regard to the need to understand the existing legislation and how it operates. I note the figures that he provided. However, I do not think that the amendment addresses an issue that concerns me—perhaps Jamie Greene could...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
03 Jun 2004
Civil Partnership Bill
I have supported the introduction of legislation for same-sex couples for 20 years and no technical or other issue will stand in the way of that principle today. I know that the bill is not perfect—indeed, no one expects a bill to be perfect at this stage—but I believe that th...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
30 Sep 2004
Emergency Workers (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I begin by paying tribute to my committee members for their hard work in scrutinising the bill. I should also acknowledge the work of Stewart Maxwell and Michael Matheson, who are, sadly, moving on. Perhaps they do not find the prospect so sad, because now they do not have to ...
Pauline McNeill Lab Chamber
07 Jan 2020
Empty Homes
I thought that he had confirmed that figure. It is clear that the use of compulsory sale orders as an alternative to compulsory purchase orders does not seem to have been common; nevertheless, CSOs are another way of ensuring that we do not have vacant homes unnecessarily caus...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Oct 2022
Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Bill
I begin by welcoming the emergency legislation. I, too, welcome the work by the legislation team and the clerks to make it happen. Mark Griffin, our spokesperson on housing, was quite right when he said that the law generally does not balance the rights and interests of landlo...
The Convener: Lab Committee
08 Oct 2003
Work Programme
We would pick that up if you reported to us that it would be appropriate to timetable it in. Perhaps you should keep in touch with the clerks to let them know when it would be appropriate to have the report on the formal agenda.We now turn to the Freedom of Information (Scotla...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Oct 2005
Regulatory Powers Inquiry
I refer members to the paper prepared by the clerks that sets out the background to phase 2 of the Subordinate Legislation Committee's inquiry into the regulatory framework in Scotland. The convener of that committee has invited us to submit views on the role of the Justice 1 ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Jun 2000
Sexual Crimes Trials
I thank Johann Lamont for bringing this debate to the Parliament. She has been consistent in her approach, not only in the Parliament but outwith it.In the past 15 years, sporadic attention has been paid to issues of gender and the criminal justice system. It is apparent to th...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
23 Jan 2003
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill
I begin by thanking many people for their contributions to stages 1 and 2 of the bill, including all those who gave oral and written evidence. All the submissions were accounted for and read. I know that I speak for the whole committee when I thank the Justice 2 Committee cler...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
03 May 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 1
I begin by thanking the committee clerks and committee members. I also give a special thank you to our adviser, Jim Murdoch, who is a well-respected academic in the field of human rights. Of course, I also thank the Joint Committee on Human Rights and the Department for Consti...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
12 Sep 2007
Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003
The title of today's debate is "Save the Land Reform Act and Restore the Will of Parliament". I like that. The debate has raised an important and topical issue. In some ways, I would have preferred to have a proper debate on the subject, but I nevertheless welcome the members'...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Mar 2010
Factoring Services
I whole-heartedly welcome the debate and fully support the motion in Patricia Ferguson’s name. By the end of the debate, I hope that the minister will be persuaded that legislation is a must. If we do not proceed on the principle that a statutory framework—a legal framework—is...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
23 Jun 2021
Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will speak to amendments 4, 7, 8 and 27, which are in my name, and I will move amendment 4. I begin by asking the Deputy First Minister to acknowledge that, in a rather rushed process, we have all done our best. I thank the legislation team for ensuring that we could draft a...
Pauline McNeill Lab Committee
20 Sep 2023
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022
Reading the letter takes me back to an issue that the committee raised previously, which was that the legislation felt really rushed. The relationship between football banning orders and the legislation should have been clear. Far be it from me to say it, but surely the role o...
Pauline McNeill Lab Committee
21 Feb 2024
Subordinate Legislation
I thank Christine Grahame. Please never stop giving your impassioned speeches about the importance of passing good-quality legislation. I really value your contribution, because you have given me food for thought. As someone who has proudly supported the devolution settlement...
Pauline McNeill Lab Chamber
17 Feb 2026
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am trying to follow this debate, and I may not have understood it, but if it is the Government’s position that, instead of amendment 7, there should be primary legislation, I agree with that, because I think that, at this late stage, it is wrong to bind a future Government. ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2005
Subordinate Legislation
I can see that you are responding to the demands of local authorities. At the end of the day, they are still required to protect the access code and implement the legislation, so the guidance ought to match directly the primary legislation. That is the difficulty. Organisation...
The Convener: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2005
Subordinate Legislation
We clearly have some issues. I am reluctant to jump to the conclusion that we should annul the guidance. In fact, we have been urged not to do that, because people want to see the whole thing through. However, I am reluctant to just let it go when there are issues.One matter t...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Mar 2006
Subordinate Legislation
We have no further questions. I invite members to make any final comments.I am a bit concerned that there has been no consultation on the increase in the fee. I have always been slightly nervous about some of the disclosure stuff. I support the legislation in principle, but th...
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Apr 2002
Subordinate Legislation
We move on to item 3, which is subordinate legislation. I refer members to paper J2/02/14/9 and there is some information supplementary to that paper.Yesterday, the Subordinate Legislation Committee considered the Police Act 1997 (Criminal Records) (Scotland) Regulations 2002 ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Jan 2003
Subordinate Legislation
Before we agree to the order, members have the right to take up to 90 minutes to debate it if they so wish. The minister will be aware that the Subordinate Legislation Committee has asked the Justice 2 Committee to consider whether the issue of human rights should be set out i...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Mar 2003
Subordinate Legislation
The matter is confusing. The committee and the report from the Subordinate Legislation Committee, which is where the issue began, raised the specific point about which officers of lower rank are covered by the order that we are considering. The letter that we have received fro...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Jan 2004
Housing
The recommendations of the housing improvement task force are an excellent piece of work on the part of the Executive. I have no concerns about the delay in implementing those recommendations, because I recognise that the work that is needed, including changes to civil law, an...
Pauline McNeill: Lab Chamber
28 Oct 2004
Housing
Well, okay. If the member wants to play that game, she can play that game. I say to her that the point of the strategy is that we want to improve the quality of housing across the board.In response to Bill Aitken's speech, I point out that there is tangible progress—I have see...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
01 Feb 2007
Rights of Relatives to Damages (Mesothelioma) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As members have said, we are debating one of the shortest bills on record. However, the bill has probably secured the greatest consensus, not just across the parties and among members of the Justice 1 Committee, but among witnesses who came to give evidence. Although it had be...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab): Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2008
Legal Profession
At first glance, the statement does not appear to say much at all, except that we have heard that there will be legislation at some point. However, at second glance, it becomes apparent that the point of the exercise is to demonstrate to the OFT that progress has been made, wi...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Nov 2010
Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This is a technical bill, but it is also an important and necessary one. The committee has prepared a thorough report, and I congratulate it on that. As Labour’s spokesperson on culture, it falls to me to contribute to this stage 1 debate. However, I am also the member for the...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
22 Jun 2021
Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will begin by stating the obvious. We MSPs have been protected somewhat from the financial issues that others face and that many of our constituents have. I always try to see things from the point of view of the Government in managing the worst crisis of our time, but we mus...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
05 Oct 2021
Topical Question Time · Protection of Women
I sincerely welcome the cabinet secretary’s comments at the weekend when he said that women should be included as a protected group in the hate crime legislation. That would send a very important signal that such behaviours by men are not acceptable in society. I appreciate t...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
29 Jun 2022
Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Bill
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. I begin by sincerely thanking my colleagues for an excellent and thorough stage 1 report. Every year, during the bonfire period, we see the stress and strain that is put on our communities by the antisocial misuse ...
Pauline McNeill Lab Committee
22 Nov 2022
Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Sarah Boyack’s amendment raises a number of important issues. I want to address the question of what everyone is calling bad actors. I have dealt with a lot of legislation, as have other members, so I know that it is perfectly normal in legislation to close loopholes, even if ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 Nov 2024
Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill would enact a huge change in prison policy, and it is being pushed through as emergency legislation. Therefore, we have no stage 1 report to read before we make our contributions. I thank the cabinet secretary, who has always been excellent at keeping Opposition memb...
The Convener (Pauline McNeill): Lab Committee
16 Jun 2004
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the 24th meeting of the Justice 1 Committee this year. It would be very helpful if members could check that their phones are switched off before we begin.Item 1 is subordinate legislation. It looks as if we have quite a bundle of statuto...
The Convener (Pauline McNeill): Lab Committee
30 Jun 2004
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2004 of the Justice 1 Committee. In fact, it is the last meeting before the summer recess and perhaps the last meeting that will be held in this room. It might even be the last meeting to be held in this building. I remind member...
The Convener: Lab Committee
30 Jun 2004
Subordinate Legislation
We are grateful for the guidance that you gave us on our timetable. We will consider whether we have enough information to proceed with our report. We note the positive submissions that we received, some of which acknowledged that Scotland may have the best access legislation ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
Members will note that the minister has been speaking to the draft regulations before us, which are subject to the affirmative procedure. We also have in front of us the Freedom of Information (Fees for Disclosure under Section 13) (Scotland) Regulations 2004, which we are not...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
It might be helpful to the committee to hear, through you, your officials' interpretation of regulation 4, on the fee payable, which states:"Where an authority proposes to communicate information to which section 13(1) of the Act (fees for disclosure in certain circumstances) ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I refer members to the note prepared by the clerk, which sets out the background to and information on the regulations. The Subordinate Legislation Committee raised some issues on the regulations and its convener, Sylvia Jackson, will join us at about a quarter to 1, in case m...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Sep 2004
Subordinate Legislation
I welcome Sylvia Jackson, convener of the Subordinate Legislation Committee, to the meeting. She is aware that we have just started our discussion on the International Criminal Court regulations. We note that there is quite a strong report from the Subordinate Legislation Comm...
The Convener: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2005
Subordinate Legislation
I agree that that was probably the intention, but my recollection of the debate is that we were arguing about the words that were to go in the bill. There was disagreement over whether we referred to statutory rights of access or whatever—we eventually settled on something. We...
The Convener: Lab Committee
09 Mar 2005
Subordinate Legislation
Item 2 is subordinate legislation. I refer members to a note that the clerk has prepared on the European Communities (Matrimonial and Parental Responsibility Jurisdiction and Judgements) (Scotland) Regulations 2005. This negative instrument seeks to amend various domestic legi...
The Convener: Lab Committee
23 Nov 2005
Subordinate Legislation
Item 3 is also on subordinate legislation. I welcome from the Scottish Executive Justice Department Louise Miller and Alex Mowat, who have come along to answer any questions that members may have about the statutory instruments.I inform members that the Subordinate Legislation...
The Convener: Lab Committee
19 Apr 2006
Subordinate Legislation
The committee has the option of not rubber-stamping the regulations, which is why I put the issue back on the agenda. I, for one, am not prepared to agree the regulations if I am not satisfied. We could have chosen to make no comment on them but, for reasons that all members h...
The Convener (Pauline McNeill): Lab Committee
24 Jan 2007
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2007 of the Justice 1 Committee. I apologise for keeping Johann Lamont and her officials waiting. The committee had some questions about subordinate legislation to discuss. All members are present, so no apologies need to be re...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Mar 2001
European Document
Item 6 is an on-going item for the committee as, although the decision is unwritten, we have agreed to take an interest in certain European legislation. Members will recall that when Peter Beaton gave evidence to the committee, in private and public session, he asked us to con...
The Convener: Lab Committee
17 Apr 2002
Subordinate Legislation
That answer is helpful. I have an interest in the matter. As a constituency MSP, I represent a number of students and am concerned that costs will be passed on to students. I would like to think that someone is considering the possibility that an extra burden will be placed on...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Jun 2002
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Trying to make the system work better is the crux of the matter and I want to pin you down on the detail of what you are looking for. The Housing (Scotland) Act 2001 tackled part of the problem, but there was to be further legislation on it and that is what we are discussing t...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Sep 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am greatly sympathetic towards amendment 109. It is true that we are seeking to pass legislation, but the nature of the legislation means that its success in securing access rights relies to a large extent on good will. I will be interested to hear the minister's views. The ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Sep 2002
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I would like to come back on a couple of issues. To take up George Lyon's point, I make it clear that I do not propose to take the view that damage to crops or land is acceptable. I am trying to highlight that trivial damage might be used to prevent responsible access. I conce...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Nov 2002
Scottish Parliament<br />Justice 2 Committee<br />Wednesday 27 November 2002<br />(Morning)
Members are trying to ascertain whether there is consistency between the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Bill and the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Counsel's opinion may be on the table, but members want an explanation of why land blight would be claimed for one piece of legis...
The Convener: Lab Committee
11 Dec 2002
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Like all members, I believe that the best way in which to tackle religious hatred and other hate crimes is to change attitudes and raise awareness through education. Such an approach is probably more important than a change in the law. I commend the work of Glasgow City Counci...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
The Members of the Parole Board (Removal Tribunal) Regulations 2003 are to be considered under the affirmative procedure. Members will have in their papers note J2/03/5/1, which has been prepared for them by the clerks. Members should note that the Subordinate Legislation Comm...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
Item 5 is consideration of an instrument under the negative procedure. The committee has a note on the order. The Subordinate Legislation Committee considered the original instrument at its meetings on 21 and 28 January. It considered the replacement instrument at its meeting ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Mar 2003
Sexual Offences Bill
I do not think that we are at odds with you on what you want to do. The question is how it should be done. I suggest that the committee, even at this late stage, might want to take advice. We know what we would like to do and perhaps we need to take advice on how we can achiev...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Mar 2003
Subordinate Legislation
Item 2 is subordinate legislation. We have two negative instruments to consider. The first is the Births, Deaths, Marriages and Divorces (Fees) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2003 (SSI 2003/89). I refer the committee to the note that has been prepared by the clerks. The Subo...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Mar 2003
Subordinate Legislation
The second instrument that we have been asked to deal with this morning is the Sheriff Court Fees Amendment Order 2003 (SSI 2003/97). A note on the order has been prepared by the clerk. The Subordinate Legislation Committee considered it at its meetings on 4 and 11 March. It s...
Pauline McNeill: Lab Committee
31 Aug 1999
Evidence
The committee will deal with the matter of land tenure legislation in due course. The Law Commission is keen to keep clauses such as pre-emption clauses. We will want to look at other issues, such as a delay of two years before the legislation is enacted. The message is that i...
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Meeting of the Parliament 20 November 2024

20 Nov 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill

The Parliament has been asked to agree that the Scottish Government can put before the Parliament emergency legislation—a bill that we saw only on Monday—to change the approach of Scottish prisons to the release of short-term and long-term prisoners. That is a substantial change in prison policy, and the proposed approach denies the Scottish Parliament and the Criminal Justice Committee their scrutiny role over a change in policy. The right to call witnesses, to take our time and to decide who we want to listen to will be denied if we agree to the emergency legislation procedure.

As Liam Kerr said, the Scottish Government is seeking a permanent change to the way in which we release prisoners—those who are serving a short-term sentence will go from serving 50 per cent to 40 per cent, with some exclusions—even though the temporary release programme seems to have its flaws and we are back to where we started in July this year, with the prison population back up to 8,300.

A number of prisoners who were released have been back in jail during that period. As predicted, there is a revolving door, which is a major concern for those who are interested in prison policy. I am sure that all parties agree that, for short-term sentences, it seems obvious that simply legislating to reduce time in jail without a more radical plan to tackle reoffending rates is a failure. We should have the right to discuss that and the impact that it will have on victims and communities in more detail.

Victims have the right to expect the Parliament to demonstrate that we put their concerns at the heart of the matter. By rushing the bill through this week and next week, we are not going to do that. Indeed, victims organisations are extremely concerned about the legislation and the fact that it would be fast tracked. The experience of victims so far is that we are yet to make significant improvements to our criminal justice system.

It is unacceptable that the Scottish Government is saying that this is emergency legislation. The emergency legislation that we have passed has mostly met the criteria, but this bill does not.

The most concerning aspect of the emergency bill is the regulation power, which indicates a significant change in policy that will apply to both short-term and long-term prisoners. Section 3 grants the Scottish ministers a power to make future changes to automatic early release for both short-term and long-term prisoners.

When a major change was made to the release of long-term prisoners in 2015 and 2016, that was done through standard primary legislation, because it involved a significant shift in prison policy, and it seems to have had an impact on the prison population. If we are going to change the policy, is it not obvious that such a change should again be done through standard primary legislation, to allow the Parliament to look at it? It seems odd that the Government is arguing that this is an emergency.

Scottish Labour opposes the motion for the bill to be treated as emergency legislation, because the bill involves a substantial policy change, so the Parliament and the relevant committee should have the right to examine in detail what impact it will have on the prison population and whether the proposal will in fact achieve its aim to sustainably reduce the prison population. I do not think that we can achieve that by looking at the bill tomorrow and next week. I urge the Parliament to give proper scrutiny to this important piece of legislation and to oppose the Government’s proposals tonight.

17:16  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-15530, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on the Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill—emergency bill moti...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
I seek Parliament’s agreement to treat the Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Bill under the emergency procedure that is provided for in Parliament’s stand...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I rise to speak against the motion to treat the bill under the emergency procedure. The bill will make fundamental and permanent changes to the release point...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Is it not the reality that, following the bill’s publication, we have been confronted with, in fact, two bills that have been pushed together? One relates to...
Liam Kerr Con
That is a really important point. The Government appears to be grabbing powers over long-term prisoners under the cover of a measure that has got, and will c...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
Will Mr Kerr give way?
Liam Kerr Con
Will I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
A little.
Liam Kerr Con
I will give way very briefly.
Angela Constance SNP
Does Mr Kerr agree that parliamentary approval of any secondary legislation, particularly under the affirmative procedure, is always required? There are 56 l...
Liam Kerr Con
I am, of course, well aware of the parliamentary process and the fact that this is Scotland’s Parliament dealing with Scottish legislation. The fact is that,...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear one another.
Liam Kerr Con
If it is treated as emergency legislation, what of the representations of some of those who offered some preliminary thoughts early in the year without havin...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The Parliament has been asked to agree that the Scottish Government can put before the Parliament emergency legislation—a bill that we saw only on Monday—to ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Liam Kerr and Pauline McNeill for very fairly setting out the concerns that I certainly have and which I suspect many share—I suspect that even the j...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I thank members for their contributions. If a Government seeks to introduce an emergency bill, it is important to have the opportunity to debate the rational...
Liam Kerr Con
If the minister concedes the point about the emergency to get people out, does he then concede the point that the ability to deal with long-term prisoners la...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
We have laid out our position. The sustainability of the entire prison population must be a factor, too. Of course, we seek to address this through regulatio...
Pauline McNeill Lab
Let us talk about the policy in relation to long-term prisoners, which the main argument that we are putting to you concerns. Does the minister accept that, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Always speak through the chair, please.
Liam McArthur LD
Made a request to intervene.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
That comes back to the age-old issue that, somehow, secondary regulation-making powers are subordinate to or lesser than primary legislation. However, they a...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear the minister.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
That process has continued under the current UK Government. Let us make it clear that it was not done through primary legislation or any form of parliamentar...
Liam Kerr Con
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am afraid—Interruption. No, First Minister, this is a very important point.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Through the chair, please, Mr Kerr. It is very important that you speak through the chair.
Liam Kerr Con
This is a debate about whether to treat the bill as emergency legislation, not a debate about the substance of the legislation. I am afraid that the Minister...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Mr Kerr, I ask you to remember that I am chairing the meeting, please.
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I think that I touched a raw nerve there, Presiding Officer. It seems that Mr Kerr was not confident enough to stand on his feet to seek to intervene. Let u...
The Presiding Officer NPA
In conclusion, minister.