Committee
Procedures Committee, 27 Sep 2005
27 Sep 2005 · S2 · Procedures Committee
Item of business
Crown Appointees
I do not think that the process need happen behind closed doors or that it would be seen as automatic. It would have to involve some sort of appraisal of the post holder's performance in post and an interview in front of a panel. Although that might not amount to a full selection process, it would mark a deliberate rather than an automatic reappointment. A degree of transparency could be brought to the process, perhaps by involving an external assessor to oversee it. The process would be public—the fact that it was happening would be advertised—so I think that it could be transparent.
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The Convener (Donald Gorrie):
LD
Under the next item, we will take evidence from Nora Radcliffe, Paul Grice and Huw Williams. I apologise for the fact that traffic, caused by an accident, sl...
Nora Radcliffe MSP (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body):
Thank you, convener, and congratulations on your new position. We will be seeing rather more of each other across the table than we have done heretofore. I l...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):
Lab
I understand why the SPCB would want to ensure that there was a smooth administrative process for reappointment, but I would be grateful if you would share w...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
I imagine that a third-term reappointment would be long enough to allow whatever special circumstance was cited as a reason for its being necessary to be dea...
Mr Bruce McFee (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
Does the process of reappointment by administrative means not bring up the issue of the transparency of individual reappointments? I do not want to go into w...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
I do not think that the process need happen behind closed doors or that it would be seen as automatic. It would have to involve some sort of appraisal of the...
Mr McFee:
SNP
What is the main driver for wanting to move away from a full formal selection process to an administrative process? If we are being led to believe that cost ...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
I would have to get advice on the cost of the selection process, although I know that it is quite costly. There are other factors that might be more importan...
Mr McFee:
SNP
I presume that we would maintain that expertise and continuity only if the person in question was the best person for the job. There is nothing about having ...
Huw Williams (Scottish Parliament Directorate of Resources and Governance):
The costs for recruitment vary, although it is around £20,000 to £25,000, plus a good deal of members' time that is taken up with the sifting process and eve...
Mr McFee:
SNP
I am sorry to labour the point, but I am trying to get at the main driver for the change, which seems to be coming out bit by bit. First it is the cost, then...
Paul Grice (Scottish Parliament Clerk and Chief Executive):
Nora Radcliffe has covered many of the points, but there is a further point for the committee to bear in mind. Reappointment is different from appointment in...
Mr McFee:
SNP
I recognise the difference between an appointment and a reappointment. You said that the founding acts envisage the potential for reappointment. Is that not ...
Paul Grice:
I take your point. The corporate body flagged up the issue, but if the committee thinks that a full appointment process is appropriate, that is fine. However...
Mr McFee:
SNP
Am I correct in assuming that the founding acts are silent on how the individual might be reappointed?
Paul Grice:
Exactly.
Mr McFee:
SNP
So the founding acts essentially say that the person is eligible to be reappointed; the person is not barred from holding the post again.
Paul Grice:
I take your point. It depends upon how one reads it.
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
Paul Grice has answered one of my questions in his response to Bruce McFee. The main driver is that the legislation allows for the reappointment without givi...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
That is one of the reasons why I see reappointment as a desirable option, perhaps the least-hassle option. It gives flexibility to both sides. It means that ...
Chris Ballance (South of Scotland) (Green):
Green
May we go back to the question of reappointment for a third term? You seemed to suggest that, rather than have reappointment for a third term, there might be...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
The legislation would have to be revisited for that.
Huw Williams:
Yes. The legislation provides for that only in special circumstances. It would be up to the SPCB to determine the length of the appointments.
Chris Ballance:
Green
So the SPCB can determine the length of the appointment when it is making it or at any stage, regardless of the legislation.
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
It can determine the length of the appointment at any stage. That would apply to a first reappointment or to a third term. The SPCB was seeking the committee...
Chris Ballance:
Green
You gave the example of a situation in which a piece of work still had to be completed and it was felt desirable to ensure that the appointment was maintaine...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
That was one of the circumstances that we envisaged might occur. If the appointment of somebody for a second term was sought, the proceedings would have to s...
Alex Johnstone (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I can see the justification for the proposal to move to administrative reappointment, which I would be inclined to support. However, I have one or two concer...
Nora Radcliffe:
LD
The process ends with the Parliament having to agree to the appointment, so the Parliament has the final say. If the Parliament decided that the appointment ...
Alex Johnstone:
Con
Therefore, if an individual MSP objected to a reappointment, they could raise the matter in the debate on the motion that that reappointment be made. Would t...