Chamber
Plenary, 24 Jan 2008
24 Jan 2008 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Organ Donation
I, too, am very pleased that George Foulkes has secured the debate at a time when the issue of organ donation and transplantation is rapidly moving up the political agenda. As a number of colleagues already know, the issue is of particular interest to me as the mother of a son who had a successful liver transplant very nearly 16 years ago.
After eight years of abnormal liver function due to chronic auto-immune hepatitis—and before he was considered for transplantation—my son's liver failed suddenly after a septicaemic episode. He went into a comatose state for nearly a week, following which a lightening of consciousness presented a window of opportunity for an urgent transplant, without which he would certainly have died. He was lucky, as he received a suitable donor liver within four days, and I am now the very happy granny of two lovely children who I never dreamed I would see during my son's dark teenage years of steadily deteriorating health.
I wish that it was possible to convey to those whose tragedies have allowed people such as my son to live a new, normal life the enormous value of their generous sacrifice and the happiness and fulfilment that it has given to the recipients of their loved one's organs. Believe me, my family's gratitude knows no bounds, and none of us would hesitate to consent to donation should the situation arise.
There is an urgent need to increase organ donation until there is a cure for the underlying conditions that lead to end-stage organ disease or until research allows the growth of completely new organs.
I was on the Health Committee when the Human Tissue (Scotland) Bill went through Parliament, and I thought that its provisions would lead to a significantly enhanced rate of donation. Sadly, so far that has not happened, and I am increasingly coming round to the view that it may yet be necessary to progress to a situation in which consent is presumed. There would, of course, have to be safeguards to respect the wishes of those who do not want to be donors or who do not want their relatives to be donors. Many ethical and moral issues must be considered, but there has to be a serious debate. I think that we probably all agree on that.
In the meantime, I hope that the proposals put forward last week by the organ donation task force will achieve the result that it predicts, and I look forward to the outcome of its follow-up investigation into the pros and cons of presumed consent.
An existing problem, which I believe needs to be dealt with, is that of elective ventilation of brain-dead patients in order to preserve their organs for possible transplantation. The fact that, thanks to technology, brain death can now be diagnosed very quickly when a patient is admitted to hospital has resulted in the loss of healthy organs, because the elective ventilation of a person known to be brain dead solely for the purpose of possible transplantation is not currently permitted by law—I presume that that applies equally to people on the donor register.
A retired friend and colleague who did many renal transplants during his career told me that the early diagnosis of brain death has had a significant impact on the availability of organs. That is sad, because many of the people admitted to accident and emergency with mortal head injuries are young and otherwise very healthy.
Conversely, it is not uncommon to find that the organ function of those who survive into intensive care but who die later has been compromised by ventilation and intensive treatment to the extent that their organs are not suitable for transplantation. My friend is strongly of the view that the elective ventilation of brain-dead patients for the sole purpose of transplantation, coupled with a soft opt-out law, would be of immense benefit to our society. He believes strongly that many people who are dying at present for want of available organs would be saved. I hope that the matter will be looked at carefully during the consideration of any possible change to the law on organ donation.
I am pleased that the issue has come to the fore. I hope that it will not be too long before a means is found to acquire the organs that are so desperately needed by the many people who are awaiting them and those who will require them in future—who could be any one of us or any member of our families.
After eight years of abnormal liver function due to chronic auto-immune hepatitis—and before he was considered for transplantation—my son's liver failed suddenly after a septicaemic episode. He went into a comatose state for nearly a week, following which a lightening of consciousness presented a window of opportunity for an urgent transplant, without which he would certainly have died. He was lucky, as he received a suitable donor liver within four days, and I am now the very happy granny of two lovely children who I never dreamed I would see during my son's dark teenage years of steadily deteriorating health.
I wish that it was possible to convey to those whose tragedies have allowed people such as my son to live a new, normal life the enormous value of their generous sacrifice and the happiness and fulfilment that it has given to the recipients of their loved one's organs. Believe me, my family's gratitude knows no bounds, and none of us would hesitate to consent to donation should the situation arise.
There is an urgent need to increase organ donation until there is a cure for the underlying conditions that lead to end-stage organ disease or until research allows the growth of completely new organs.
I was on the Health Committee when the Human Tissue (Scotland) Bill went through Parliament, and I thought that its provisions would lead to a significantly enhanced rate of donation. Sadly, so far that has not happened, and I am increasingly coming round to the view that it may yet be necessary to progress to a situation in which consent is presumed. There would, of course, have to be safeguards to respect the wishes of those who do not want to be donors or who do not want their relatives to be donors. Many ethical and moral issues must be considered, but there has to be a serious debate. I think that we probably all agree on that.
In the meantime, I hope that the proposals put forward last week by the organ donation task force will achieve the result that it predicts, and I look forward to the outcome of its follow-up investigation into the pros and cons of presumed consent.
An existing problem, which I believe needs to be dealt with, is that of elective ventilation of brain-dead patients in order to preserve their organs for possible transplantation. The fact that, thanks to technology, brain death can now be diagnosed very quickly when a patient is admitted to hospital has resulted in the loss of healthy organs, because the elective ventilation of a person known to be brain dead solely for the purpose of possible transplantation is not currently permitted by law—I presume that that applies equally to people on the donor register.
A retired friend and colleague who did many renal transplants during his career told me that the early diagnosis of brain death has had a significant impact on the availability of organs. That is sad, because many of the people admitted to accident and emergency with mortal head injuries are young and otherwise very healthy.
Conversely, it is not uncommon to find that the organ function of those who survive into intensive care but who die later has been compromised by ventilation and intensive treatment to the extent that their organs are not suitable for transplantation. My friend is strongly of the view that the elective ventilation of brain-dead patients for the sole purpose of transplantation, coupled with a soft opt-out law, would be of immense benefit to our society. He believes strongly that many people who are dying at present for want of available organs would be saved. I hope that the matter will be looked at carefully during the consideration of any possible change to the law on organ donation.
I am pleased that the issue has come to the fore. I hope that it will not be too long before a means is found to acquire the organs that are so desperately needed by the many people who are awaiting them and those who will require them in future—who could be any one of us or any member of our families.
In the same item of business
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
The final item of business is a members' business debate on motion S3M-483, in the name of George Foulkes, on time for a fresh debate on organ donation. The ...
Motion debated,
That the Parliament commends the ongoing work that British Medical Association Scotland is doing to raise awareness of organ donation; recognises that the nu...
George Foulkes (Lothians) (Lab):
Lab
I hope that the spirit of consensus that we saw at decision time will continue in this members' debate. I genuinely thank all the members who have chosen to ...
Roseanna Cunningham (Perth) (SNP):
SNP
In this debate, it is assumed that the arguments in favour of change are so self-evident that any reasonable person would agree with them, so there is a dang...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):
Lab
Organ donation is a hugely sensitive subject, as the two speeches that we have heard so far have clearly illustrated. I am therefore grateful to George Foulk...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I, too, thank George Foulkes for lodging the motion and I put on record my appreciation of Margaret Jamieson's excellent work on organ donation in the previo...
Dr Richard Simpson (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab):
Lab
I thank the Presiding Officer for letting me speak early in the debate and apologise to members that I may have to leave before it concludes.I congratulate G...
Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
I, too, congratulate George Foulkes on securing this debate on a very important subject that we need to debate. In his motion and in his speech, he has ident...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP):
SNP
I congratulate George Foulkes on securing this important debate on an issue in which I have long had an interest. Indeed, during the first session of the Par...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
Given the number of members who wish to speak, I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, that the debate be extended by up to 30 minu...
Motion moved,
That, under Rule 8.14.3, the debate be extended until 6.05 pm.—George Foulkes.
Motion agreed to.
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab):
Lab
I thank George Foulkes for lodging the motion and securing the debate, which I am pleased to take part in. Since his election to the Parliament, he has taken...
Members:
Scanlon.
Cathie Craigie:
Lab
Sorry—that was a senior moment. Although I do not agree with the position taken by Roseanna Cunningham, Mary Scanlon or Mike Rumbles, I agree that the points...
Nanette Milne (North East Scotland) (Con):
Con
I, too, am very pleased that George Foulkes has secured the debate at a time when the issue of organ donation and transplantation is rapidly moving up the po...
Christine Grahame (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I thank Lord Foulkes for bringing the debate to the chamber. As a consequence of all the coverage of the issue in the press and elsewhere, I registered onlin...
Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab):
Lab
I congratulate George Foulkes on securing a debate on an important and controversial topic. Among the excellent speeches, I am sure that members were particu...
Jamie Hepburn (Central Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I thank the Presiding Officer for accepting the motion without notice to extend the debate so that more members could participate in the debate. I am sure th...
The Minister for Public Health (Shona Robison):
SNP
I welcome the debate. I hope that the powerful speeches from throughout the chamber will set the tone for the wider debate that is necessary in Scotland on t...
Mike Rumbles:
LD
Nobody has yet addressed my point that, despite the really large addition of one million people to the UK donor register over the past year, our organ transp...
Shona Robison:
SNP
People on both sides of the donation debate agree about that. The recommendations of the task force that I have just listed are important, and we strongly ba...
Meeting closed at 18:05.