Committee
Transport and the Environment Committee, 11 Dec 2002
11 Dec 2002 · S1 · Transport and the Environment Committee
Item of business
Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 154 is a probing amendment, the purpose of which is to find where the responsibility lies for dealing with sea lice. As members know, the wild salmon fisheries interests are extremely interested in having a means of controlling sea lice in and around fish farms. Sea lice can proliferate and, if unnaturally large numbers occur, a devastating effect can result on migrant wild salmon, especially on smolts as they go out to sea.The depredation of sea lice is thought to be one of the factors that have led to the decline in wild salmon and sea trout numbers. The problems for the wild salmon fisheries interest is that there is no regulation to control sea lice numbers, and if the proliferation of organisms that cause harm were included in the definition of pollution, SEPA would be responsible for issuing orders to control sea lice. That would mean that SEPA would have to regulate both the instances of lice and the treatment that is necessary to deal with them, although I realise that SEPA may not want to be in that position. However, many people believe that the dual role would be an advantage.If that is not acceptable to the minister, will he tell the committee how sea lice are to be dealt with? Sea lice are not classified as a fish disease, so if they are not classified as a pollutant, how can they be dealt with?I move amendment 154.
In the same item of business
The Convener:
Lab
The next item on our agenda is stage 2 consideration of the Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Bill. We hope to conclude our stage 2 considerati...
Section 20—Regulation of controlled activities
The Convener:
Lab
The first amendment for debate today is amendment 70, in the name of the minister, which is grouped with amendments 71, 72, 200, 73, 74, 75 and 76.
The Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Allan Wilson):
Lab
Amendment 70 will remove from section 20(3)(d) of the bill the reference to such works"which are liable to have an adverse impact on the status of the water"...
The Convener:
Lab
Thank you, minister. I am sure that you are fair and equitable in every action that you undertake.I invite Jamie McGrigor to speak to amendment 200 and to an...
Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I wish to address only amendment 200. I appreciate that in the minister's opinion amendment 200 is unnecessary. I hope that that will be the case, but amendm...
Maureen Macmillan (Highlands and Islands) (Lab):
Lab
When the Executive is discussing with industry what would be fair and equitable charges, will those discussions take into account the effect on hydroelectric...
The Convener:
Lab
As no other members wish to speak to the group of amendments, I invite the minister to respond to the debate.
Allan Wilson:
Lab
I covered the points that I wanted to make in my opening remarks. Our intention is to enable the regulators to recover the costs of operating the control reg...
The Convener:
Lab
Thank you.
Amendment 70 agreed to.
The Convener:
Lab
Does Nora Radcliffe wish to move amendment 51?
Nora Radcliffe (Gordon) (LD):
LD
Yes. Five amendments are consequential on amendment 32, which was agreed to. Although the Executive plans to lodge an alternative amendment at stage 3, it is...
The Convener:
Lab
At this stage, the member can only move or not move the amendment.
Amendment 51 moved—Nora Radcliffe.
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 51 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Lab
There will be a division.
ForCrawford, Bruce (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)Harper, Robin (Lothians) (Green)McLeod, Fiona (West of Scotland) (SNP)Radcliffe, Nora (Gordon) (LD)Scott, Joh...
The Convener:
Lab
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 51 agreed to.
Amendment 52 moved—Nora Radcliffe.
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 52 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members:
No.
The Convener:
Lab
There will be a division.
ForCrawford, Bruce (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP)Harper, Robin (Lothians) (Green)McLeod, Fiona (West of Scotland) (SNP)Radcliffe, Nora (Gordon) (LD)Scott, Joh...
The Convener:
Lab
The result of the division is: For 5, Against 4, Abstentions 0.
Amendment 52 agreed to.
Amendment 53 moved—Nora Radcliffe.
The Convener:
Lab
The question is, that amendment 53 be agreed to. Are we agreed?