Chamber
Plenary, 18 May 2000
18 May 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Community Care
The beds are certainly blocked. My information is based on submissions to the Health and Community Care Committee. One solution is to have one unified budget to deliver seamless, effective and appropriate health care. That would overcome the current two-tier system of community care, in which those who are self-funding are placed instantly and those who depend on social work wait for months or years. Neither can it be right that a social worker can override a consultant geriatrician's decision about where an individual should go for care. That point also was made to the committee.
We must also address another matter that was raised with the Health and Community Care Committee. Both the Accounts Commission and the Scottish Affairs Select Committee identified £166 million being spent on resource transfer, yet it is not clear how or where that money is spent. If we are to move forward, there must be transparency and accountability.
The Scottish Association for Mental Health stated:
"It is beyond dispute that mental health spending is not keeping up with general health service spending, despite the fact that mental health has been declared a priority."
Funding for mental health associations has gone down from £40,000 to £10,000 in the past three years. I was pleased to hear the minister say this morning that the framework for mental health, which is now two and a half years old, is beginning to make some progress, because a month ago SAMH was at the Health and Community Care Committee and said that no progress had been made on it. It said that too much time was being spent in long meetings between health and social work, that there were lots of strategy documents and that nothing much was appearing in front-line services.
Can it be right that, in 2000, mental health has a bed requirement of more than 100 per cent, with the result that, at the weekend, we have people with acute mental states taking over the beds of patients who are going out with weekend passes? That is the information we received from SAMH at the Health and Community Care Committee.
I have received other correspondence on community care. The Western Isles community care forum hardly commends the Executive's approach to community care. In an e-mail yesterday it stated:
"There are elderly, very elderly and infirm people living in their isolated houses, with no relatives or neighbours to help them, who receive half an hour's help in the morning for fire-lighting, half an hour in the evening and no attendance during the weekend. "
It would hardly support the Executive's community care strategy in Ballachulish, where a community councillor returned home one day to find two elderly people sitting in his living room. They thought it was their home. That hardly gives us confidence in the assessments for community care.
The motion's commendation of the Executive's approach will ring hollow throughout Scotland. A letter I received yesterday from a care home in Nairn stated:
"Unless this deplorable situation is addressed as a matter of urgency, care in this community will have reached an even greater state of crisis come the heavy demand on services during the winter months."
People all over Scotland feel that they are letting down their old folks and their own people. They write to me that they feel guilty that they are letting down their mothers, fathers and grandmothers. Those people's guilt should be ministers' guilt.
I ask ministers to bridge the chasm between their spin and reality; not to assume that a glossy brochure equals success; and, for once in their lives, to accept the responsibility of their position and put patients, carers, and their families at the heart of the health service.
I move amendment S1M-868.2, to leave out from "commends" to end and insert:
"notes that the Scottish Executive's approach to community care has resulted in a 40% increase in blocked beds in acute hospitals since 1997, to a total of 2,400 in the latest delayed discharge census, and that this costs the NHS in Scotland up to £96 million per year compared with the cost of nursing home places; further notes that many local authorities across Scotland have been forced to reduce services and increase costs for community care clients as a direct result of the Executive's latest local government financial settlement; further notes that many nursing and residential homes are facing severe financial pressure, due to decisions by councils to freeze fees for social work funded places despite cost increases; calls upon the Scottish Executive to unify health and social work budgets within Community Health Trusts involving NHS community services, social work services, the voluntary sector and the private sector; and believes that NHS resources wasted on blocked beds should be transferred to Health Trusts in order to provide more community care places and to deliver seamless and more effective community care services for clients."
We must also address another matter that was raised with the Health and Community Care Committee. Both the Accounts Commission and the Scottish Affairs Select Committee identified £166 million being spent on resource transfer, yet it is not clear how or where that money is spent. If we are to move forward, there must be transparency and accountability.
The Scottish Association for Mental Health stated:
"It is beyond dispute that mental health spending is not keeping up with general health service spending, despite the fact that mental health has been declared a priority."
Funding for mental health associations has gone down from £40,000 to £10,000 in the past three years. I was pleased to hear the minister say this morning that the framework for mental health, which is now two and a half years old, is beginning to make some progress, because a month ago SAMH was at the Health and Community Care Committee and said that no progress had been made on it. It said that too much time was being spent in long meetings between health and social work, that there were lots of strategy documents and that nothing much was appearing in front-line services.
Can it be right that, in 2000, mental health has a bed requirement of more than 100 per cent, with the result that, at the weekend, we have people with acute mental states taking over the beds of patients who are going out with weekend passes? That is the information we received from SAMH at the Health and Community Care Committee.
I have received other correspondence on community care. The Western Isles community care forum hardly commends the Executive's approach to community care. In an e-mail yesterday it stated:
"There are elderly, very elderly and infirm people living in their isolated houses, with no relatives or neighbours to help them, who receive half an hour's help in the morning for fire-lighting, half an hour in the evening and no attendance during the weekend. "
It would hardly support the Executive's community care strategy in Ballachulish, where a community councillor returned home one day to find two elderly people sitting in his living room. They thought it was their home. That hardly gives us confidence in the assessments for community care.
The motion's commendation of the Executive's approach will ring hollow throughout Scotland. A letter I received yesterday from a care home in Nairn stated:
"Unless this deplorable situation is addressed as a matter of urgency, care in this community will have reached an even greater state of crisis come the heavy demand on services during the winter months."
People all over Scotland feel that they are letting down their old folks and their own people. They write to me that they feel guilty that they are letting down their mothers, fathers and grandmothers. Those people's guilt should be ministers' guilt.
I ask ministers to bridge the chasm between their spin and reality; not to assume that a glossy brochure equals success; and, for once in their lives, to accept the responsibility of their position and put patients, carers, and their families at the heart of the health service.
I move amendment S1M-868.2, to leave out from "commends" to end and insert:
"notes that the Scottish Executive's approach to community care has resulted in a 40% increase in blocked beds in acute hospitals since 1997, to a total of 2,400 in the latest delayed discharge census, and that this costs the NHS in Scotland up to £96 million per year compared with the cost of nursing home places; further notes that many local authorities across Scotland have been forced to reduce services and increase costs for community care clients as a direct result of the Executive's latest local government financial settlement; further notes that many nursing and residential homes are facing severe financial pressure, due to decisions by councils to freeze fees for social work funded places despite cost increases; calls upon the Scottish Executive to unify health and social work budgets within Community Health Trusts involving NHS community services, social work services, the voluntary sector and the private sector; and believes that NHS resources wasted on blocked beds should be transferred to Health Trusts in order to provide more community care places and to deliver seamless and more effective community care services for clients."
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel):
NPA
Good morning. Our first item of business is the debate on motion S1M-868, in the name of Iain Gray, on community care, and amendments to that motion.
The Deputy Minister for Community Care (Iain Gray):
Lab
Today's debate provides a welcome opportunity to restate the importance of community care to the Scottish Executive's agenda of improving the lives of the pe...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Although any new money for voluntary organisations is welcome, will the minister concede that the £200,000 he has just announced does not even make up the sh...
Iain Gray:
Lab
As is so often the case, Mr Hamilton has missed the point. This is specific funding for a specific task that we have asked the organisations to undertake. It...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):
Lab
As the minister knows, the Relatives Association Scotland provides invaluable support and advocacy for relatives of adults in, or about to enter, continuing ...
Iain Gray:
Lab
I am happy to acknowledge the work that Sylvia Jackson has done with the Relatives Association Scotland, bringing representatives to meet me to discuss the r...
Dorothy-Grace Elder (Glasgow) (SNP):
SNP
Will the minister give way?
Iain Gray:
Lab
No. I am winding up.That approach is not cheaper or easier, but it is better. It is also possible, if we hold to the vision of support for those with disabil...
Kay Ullrich (West of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
We thought that last week's Executive amendment was self-congratulatory and full of touchy-feely soundbites, but—credit where credit is due—the minister has ...
Iain Gray:
Lab
We have heard many quotations—for example, we heard an interesting Karl Marx quotation yesterday. I simply make the point that Kay Ullrich's quotation comes ...
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
Is that it?Quite frankly, the motion beggars belief. Either the minister does not know what is happening in community care or, worse, he is choosing to ignor...
Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab):
Lab
We are going down another critical path. Will Kay Ullrich tell members how much the SNP proposes to spend on care and from where it proposes to get the money...
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
It is a Labour party motion—stick with it.Community care is about enabling the elderly, the disabled and the mentally ill to remain in their own homes with s...
Trish Godman (West Renfrewshire) (Lab):
Lab
How much will the SNP put into community care and where will they get the money?
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
It is a Labour motion. If anybody should know about the crisis in community care, Trish Godman should, with her background.Members must have had letters abou...
Hugh Henry (Paisley South) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
No, I have given way often enough.I welcome the initiative for people with learning difficulties. However, I am somewhat underwhelmed by the carers strategy....
Mr Andy Kerr (East Kilbride) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Kay Ullrich:
SNP
No, I have said that I am not taking any more interventions.The £5 million announced by the minister in November last year ought to be compared with the SNP'...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
I greatly welcome the debate on community care, which is one of the many serious health issues that face Scotland today. First, I want to address the Executi...
Hugh Henry:
Lab
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon:
Con
Not now, Hugh—later.People in Scotland might have some respect for the Executive if, just for once, its policies honestly addressed problems and positively p...
Iain Gray:
Lab
I tried to make clear to Parliament that the exact purpose of this debate is to report on progress on those initiatives. If Mrs Scanlon is looking for progre...
Mary Scanlon:
Con
When the Executive is asking people to vote on its progress, it is only fair that a report of that progress is given to Parliament so that even Labour member...
Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member give way?
Mary Scanlon:
Con
Just a second. I strongly welcome the learning disability review, especially the changes that have been recommended. Recommendation 4 is on the change fund. ...
Margaret Jamieson:
Lab
It is rich for Mary Scanlon to say that she welcomes the documents that have been issued. She should recognise that they represent a significant change from ...
Mary Scanlon:
Con
Really, Margaret. I do not have to take any lessons from you. The Conservatives decided to spend more on services, more on patients and more on helping, to h...
Cathy Jamieson (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (Lab):
Lab
Will Mary Scanlon give way?
Mary Scanlon:
Con
I will finish the point I am making. Actually, as you have interrupted me, go on.