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Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
14 Feb 2001
Community Care
I am pleased—as convener of the Health and Community Care Committee—to lead on this debate on our report into community care. At various points during the past year, the Parliament has discussed the report as we have undertaken our inquiry. I will obviously speak in support of...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
16 Mar 2000
Health Boards and NHS Trusts (Public Consultation)
On behalf of the members of the Parliament's Health and Community Care Committee, I welcome the opportunity—Interruption. I welcome the opportunity to watch Iain Gray wreck the furniture and to open the first debate initiated by a subject committee. Members are a little sparse...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
09 Nov 2000
National Health Service
Before I begin my speech, I would like to welcome two people. I welcome our erstwhile poacher turned gamekeeper, the new Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care, Malcolm Chisholm. I enjoyed Mary Scanlon's comment that Malcolm Chisholm had been with the Health and Communi...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
11 Dec 2002
Mental Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome this important bill, which is the most radical overhaul of the mental health legislation for 40 years. It comes at a time when most people would agree we need a new approach that recognises not only advances in treatment but the rights of those who experience mental ...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
21 Sep 2000
Public Health
I welcome the tone of this debate—it is probably one of the most good-humoured health debates that we have had in the chamber. As everyone knows, we in the Health and Community Care Committee are a good-humoured bunch, so it is nice to see members doing what we all ought to be...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
28 Nov 2001
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome Malcolm Chisholm to his new job as Minister for Health and Community Care. As Nicola Sturgeon said, that is one of the most difficult jobs in Government in Scotland, but if anybody can do it well with charm and some ability, I am sure that that person is Malcolm. We ...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
14 Nov 2001
Mental Health Law
I congratulate the minister on her impending happy event and pay tribute to the lengths to which she is prepared to go to scrutinise Scotland's maternity services framework.I welcome the policy document "Renewing Mental Health Law", which is the first major review of mental he...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
07 Mar 2001
Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I begin by thanking the members of the Health and Community Care Committee for their work on the bill. I thank the members of all the other committees that have considered the bill and the Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care for his assistance on various points.The S...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
01 Mar 2001
Primary Care
As has been said, this is an important debate. We have waited a long time to have a debate on the specific issue of primary care, yet we cannot help but tip into the acute sector and other parts of the health picture. While primary care is an important strand of health care, i...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
16 May 2002
Health and Community Care
I have no problem with the use of the private sector for NHS patients. I have more of a problem with the use of NHS beds in NHS facilities for private patients. Those are two different matters. Yesterday, I welcomed the waiting times unit's news that we have made use of 2,000 ...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
27 Sep 2001
Care of the Elderly
I echo the comments of others in wishing Mary Scanlon a speedy recovery. The community care debate this morning will be strange without her.How we treat our older people is a benchmark of the kind of society that we form and Scotland's older people can say that devolution is w...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
19 Dec 2002
Budget Process 2003-04: Stage 2
Hold your horses.Although there has been unanimous endorsement of the expert group's interim findings, I do not think that any member of the Health and Community Care Committee or of the Parliament underestimates the difficulties that the minister faces. The minister says that...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
22 Jun 2006
Royal Victoria Hospital
I thank members who have signed the motion. I am sure that my next motion will get even more signatories now that members know that my members' business debates mean that they get an hour off. I also thank members who will take part in the debate and the people from the Queens...
Mrs Margaret Smith: LD Chamber
28 Nov 2001
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have had an interesting debate. The ministerial team should take from it that the bill has the support of the whole chamber. Some outstanding issues remain to be worked through at stage 2. As convener of the Health and Community Care Committee, I look forward to doing that....
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
25 Jan 2001
Personal Care for the Elderly
I will read from the report of the Health and Community Care Committee on the delivery of community care in Scotland:"The Committee welcomes the steps that have been taken towards implementation of several of the key recommendations within the Sutherland Report. It is persuade...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
06 Jul 2000
National Health Service
If we are to have a truly modern health service, we must resource it properly. That is fundamental. We must also reform it with imagination and commitment. The minister outlined today some of the many ways in which the Executive is trying to do just that. She also acknowledged...
Mrs Margaret Smith: LD Chamber
19 Mar 2003
Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 3
As colleagues have said, this is one of the areas of controversy in the bill. The minister said that the Health and Community Care Committee supported community-based compulsory treatment orders when it considered the matter. This is one of many issues on which we had to make ...
The Convener: LD Committee
10 Jan 2001
Joint Future Group Report
Our next agenda item is on the joint future group report, although I do not know whether we can comment on it.As colleagues know, the Executive set up the joint future group to consider certain issues. As the committee's reporter, I outlined those issues in section 1.2 of my d...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
25 Apr 2002
Primary Health Care
Tommy has had enough of a chance. The drugs companies would come back at us for doing as Tommy suggests, and the cost of existing drugs would go through the roof. The current 10 per cent inflation in the drugs budget would pale into insignificance next to what we would have to...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
19 Dec 2002
Budget Process 2003-04: Stage 2
At the risk of confusing members, I begin by addressing the work of the Finance Committee wearing my hat as the convener of the Health and Community Care Committee. I commend the Finance Committee for all its hard work on the budget and I thank the committee for the helpful ad...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
06 Feb 2002
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill
I am delighted to take part in today's debate and support the Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill, which will provide a real improvement in community care services as well as the delivery of free personal and nursing care.I thank my colleagues on the Health and Community...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
27 Sep 2001
“Value Nurses” Campaign
I am delighted and honoured to sponsor a motion to value and recognise the wide range of work done by Scotland's nurses and to support the RCN's value nurses campaign.I welcome nurses to the public gallery and thank those who have contributed to our online discussions this wee...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
28 Sep 2000
Long-term Care
I thank Mary Scanlon for lodging today's motion and pay tribute to Sir Stewart Sutherland and the royal commission for their work. It is essential that we listen to the depth of experience and the independent views that went into the royal commission from a range of sectors. I...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Health
I am pleased that Mary Scanlon at least acknowledges that the Scottish Executive is increasing investment in the NHS and our country's health. The health budget has risen from £4.6 billion in 1998 to £6.7 billion this year. The 1 per cent increase in national insurance that wi...
The Convener: LD Committee
07 Dec 1999
Community Care
The first item on the agenda is our inquiry into community care, focusing particularly on care of the elderly and those with mental health problems.Members have seen copies of the relevant paperwork. We have asked people to send submissions to the committee, and I thank those ...
The Convener (Mrs Margaret Smith): LD Committee
10 May 2000
Budget Process
Good morning everybody. Welcome to this meeting of the Health and Community Care Committee, at which we will continue to examine the budget. We welcome today the Minister for Health and Community Care, Susan Deacon. With the minister is John Aldridge—a glutton for punishment i...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
19 Mar 2003
Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 3
I support Margaret Jamieson's amendment 34, which has the support of all members of the Health and Community Care Committee.The SNAP report that was published in part yesterday stated that"All NHS Boards who responded … report rising rates of mental health problems"among chil...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
16 Dec 1999
Health Service
How do I sum up this debate in four minutes? Any members with spare time on a Wednesday morning might like to come to the Health and Community Care Committee; it is always interesting and certainly full of passion. This has been a full-steam debate. By debating the health serv...
Margaret Smith: LD Committee
30 Sep 2009
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The Liberal Democrats support the bill, and particularly the inclusion in it of best practice on consultation on school closures. We accept that rural schools are likely to have a central role in the lives of rural communities. They are often crucial anchors for villages; they...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
12 Dec 2001
National Health Service
No, I want to get going on this point. We have had to listen to the Conservatives for the past 10 minutes.The Liberal Democrats support the slimmed-down bureaucracy that the new unified boards represent, but more important, we see the unified boards as being ideally placed to ...
The Convener: LD Committee
29 Jun 1999
Remit
This is an important committee, which deals with life and death issues. Health is consistently the number one issue for people in Scotland. In the months and years to come, we will debate and make decisions on some important issues, including not only questions of finance and ...
The Convener (Mrs Margaret Smith): LD Committee
29 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Good morning and welcome to this meeting of the Health and Community Care Committee. We are in sunny Inverness—we are delighted to be in the Highlands this morning.The purpose of the meeting is continued examination of the Scottish Executive's budget, which we have to consider...
Margaret Smith: LD Committee
20 Apr 2004
Reporters
As this is the first time that I have spoken to the committee in my capacity as sexual orientation reporter, I would like to put on record the fact that I have been trying to have regular discussions with relevant equality groups. In the next week or two, I will meet relevant ...
The Convener (Mrs Margaret Smith): LD Committee
26 Apr 2000
Budget Process
Good morning. Welcome to today's meeting of the Health and Community Care Committee.The first item on the agenda is the budget 2001-02. As committee members will remember, there is a new process for scrutiny of the budget, whereby not only the parliamentary committees but the ...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
20 Sep 2007
Penal Policy
This has been an interesting debate. The only point that we are all agreed on is the fact that there is no easy option in considering penal policy. I agree with a great deal of what the cabinet secretary said. Rather more worryingly, I agree with a great deal of what Bill Aitk...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
18 May 2000
Community Care
No. I have a lot to get through in very little time. I know Duncan wants to lead me astray, but I will have to say no on this occasion.Sutherland's proposals would have a beneficial impact on the issue of delayed discharge that Mary Scanlon's amendment raises. For that reason...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
10 Jan 2002
Hepatitis C
I have already said that I am bitterly disappointed by the Executive's response. I acknowledge that the Executive has moved from its earlier position, but it has not recognised the moral case that we believed had been made for immediate financial assistance. The committee also...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
12 Dec 2001
National Health Service
We said before the general election and we are happy to repeat now that we are committed to raising through taxation state health care spending to the European average. Some of that would come from general taxation measures and some would come from hypothecated tax. The public...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
21 Feb 2008
Prisons
I welcome the cabinet secretary's comments about no longer placing children in adult prisons, but I echo the sentiments and concerns of colleagues who have raised issues about that. I hope that the cabinet secretary, either in his speech or in writing, will give us more inform...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
04 Oct 2007
Chirnsyde Community Initiative
I congratulate Bob Doris on securing this debate on the Glasgow Milton and Chirnsyde community initiative. Colleagues know that I am not a Glasgow member, so I will defer to the local knowledge of Patricia Ferguson, Bob Doris and other members. However, I am pleased to be able...
The Convener (Mrs Margaret Smith): LD Committee
31 Oct 2001
Budget 2002-03
Good morning everybody, and welcome to this morning's Health and Community Care Committee. The Minister for Health and Community Care is not with us this morning; we send her our best wishes for a speedy recovery. Malcolm Chisholm is here to answer questions on the budget in h...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
08 May 2002
World Asthma Day
I thank colleagues of all parties who have supported the motion in my name to mark world asthma day, which was yesterday, although we are considering all week a range of issues that relate to asthma. Close to 50 per cent of MSPs who can sign motions have signed my motion, so p...
The Convener: LD Committee
03 May 2000
Budget Process
When health boards and trusts make proposals for clinics, ACADs and so on, how voluntary will that be? You mentioned the JIFs, and everyone would agree that having JIFs is a laudable idea. However, when we consider the need for a shift in resources from the secondary to the pr...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
06 Feb 2002
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Janis Hughes's amendment 19 and Shona Robison's amendment 18 incorporate something of the spirit of the Health and Community Care Committee's discussions about carers and of the need for further recognition of the central role that carers play in the provision of care. Many ca...
The Convener: LD Committee
04 Oct 2002
Mental Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I suppose that CTOs are part of the reciprocity bargain that Millan suggested. The other side of buying into compulsion in the community is that the community will make available the range of services that people need if they are to exist within the community. As Pat Webster s...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
03 May 2001
Child Health
We all want the best health for everybody. Today, we have focused on the health of our children. As many people have said—in the words of the song—children are our future.Individual children have a range of different needs. We have touched more on public health issues and on s...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
29 Apr 2004
Reducing Reoffending
I agree with a great deal of what has been said already. It is absolutely crucial that we tackle the key problem of reoffending, which is a blight on all our communities and which, one way or another, affects every family in the country.One thing that we can agree on is that t...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
19 Nov 2009
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill
Murdo Fraser was right to say that there are many people to thank and that the bill has many parents—that is one of the few times that he has not espoused the centrality of the nuclear family. I thank the people who gave evidence to the committee, in particular Sandy Longmuir ...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
01 Sep 1999
Public Health
I agree. We have all received representations about the level of suicide, particularly among young men. It is an issue of some concern that has already been raised by Mrs Scanlon. I hope that whoever is sweeping up for the Executive will address that point. We will listen with...
The Convener: LD Committee
22 Sep 1999
General Priorities
That left only the Tuesday. We were scheduled to meet on Wednesday—today—so I thought that that was in good enough time. If we had just had a committee meeting and were not going to have another one for a month, I would have looked at it differently. I then did a number of oth...
The Convener: LD Committee
26 Oct 1999
Arbuthnott Report
I was aware, from some of the submissions that we have received, that there are areas of work that health boards undertake which this review had not touched on. The review did not seem to have taken into account that work in its indicators or weighting. One area that was menti...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
26 Nov 2009
Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As one of its former members, I thank the Justice Committee for its report, and I welcome this opportunity to speak in the debate. There are a number of welcome provisions in the bill, such as the new offences to tackle serious organised crime and the clarification of Scots la...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
26 Apr 2001
Hepatitis C
As other members have said, contracting hepatitis C through blood transfusions or contaminated blood products is a human tragedy. It is also a complex issue to tackle in a short debate. Nevertheless, it is useful for us to have a debate, because the issue has united people acr...
Mrs Smith: LD Chamber
20 Jun 2002
School Meals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As the secondary committee, the Health and Community Care Committee considered whether there was evidence that the implementation of universal free school meals would lead to health benefits. The Health Education Board for Scotland, the Public Health Institute of Scotland, the...
Margaret Smith: LD Chamber
15 Jun 2005
Sexual Health
Shocking, I know, but there you go.As well as being one of Terry Wogan's old geezers—or TOGs—I listen to Jeremy Vine's lunch-time phone-in programme when I am driving about. The other day, the subject was impotence. One of the facts that was bandied about was that, because of ...
The Convener: LD Committee
03 Oct 2001
Community Care and Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
If we do not have that power, we should think about acquiring it. We might not need to use it in the case of Lord Sutherland, but it could be useful when dealing with some people.On the agenda for this morning's meeting is stage 1 consideration of the Community Care and Health...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
01 Sep 1999
Public Health
I am glad that we have come to the issue of public health so soon after our long holidays. I am sure that we have all come back more stressed out than we were when the recess began. Public health is the No 1 issue that the Health and Community Care Committee must address and t...
The Convener: LD Committee
11 Mar 2003
Retail Pharmacies<br />(Office of Fair Trading Report)
Given your comments and the contents of the report itself, you seem to know the price of everything but the value of nothing very much. Anecdotal and other evidence and the representations that we have received from pharmacists and constituents suggest that individuals value t...
The Convener: LD Committee
26 Oct 1999
Arbuthnott Report
The way in which health care and health services in Scotland are moving, with an increasing shift to primary and community care, makes it more likely that that will happen.One concern that I have—although I do not know how the situation could have been avoided—is that the repo...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD Chamber
12 Sep 2002
Acute Services Review (Glasgow)
I am well aware that I am not a Glasgow MSP and I have a lot of sympathy with the point that Dorothy-Grace Elder has raised. I say that before I speak with a great lack of knowledge in comparison with many of my colleagues who have already spoken today.We have had an important...
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Plenary, 14 Feb 2001

14 Feb 2001 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Community Care
I am pleased—as convener of the Health and Community Care Committee—to lead on this debate on our report into community care. At various points during the past year, the Parliament has discussed the report as we have undertaken our inquiry. I will obviously speak in support of the motion in my name.

The committee's report has already had quite an impact inside and outside the Parliament. I believe that it has played its part in delivering improvement and change in an important policy area that we all care about.

Even after the Executive rejected the arguments for free personal care last autumn, the issue did not go away. In no small measure that was because, after a year's work and after taking evidence from all the main stakeholders, politicians of all parties unanimously signed up to the committee's report and to the implementation of free personal care. Some of us who began that investigation were at that time convinced in our hearts that the implementation of the Sutherland report was fair, good and right. It became clear over the months of investigation that it was also the best thing to do to deliver a better service. That came through in the evidence from all the stakeholders.

As well as effecting change, the work of the committee has been appreciated by people throughout Scotland. The Confederation of Scotland's Elderly wrote to me recently. They said:

"We write to record our thanks and that of all Scotland's elderly for your excellent report, which recommends the implementation in full of the Sutherland Report on long-term care for the elderly. It vividly reflects the virtues engraved on the mace - compassion, wisdom, justice and integrity - the action of this committee shines like a beacon."

I have told my mother to stop writing to me at work.

I assure members that that was written not by my mother, but by pensioners who reflect the views of pensioners throughout Scotland. Many others—pensioners, dementia sufferers, professionals and carers—have written to me since the committee published its report and following the debates on the issue in the Parliament.

The committee worked in partnership and as a team and, as the leader of that team, I have a number of people to thank. They include the former deputy convener of the Health and Community Care Committee, who is now the Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care, Malcolm Chisholm; the committee clerks, who are Jennifer Smart, Irene Fleming and Joanna Hardy; our Scottish Parliament information centre research staff, who are Murray McVicar, Morag Brown and Murray Earle; and our two advisers, who are Professor Alison Petch and Dr Gordon Marnoch. It is most important that I thank the people from the organisations who gave evidence to the committee and those who shared their experiences with us as we visited community care projects and facilities, carers and service users throughout Scotland. Their testimonies filled us with the enthusiasm and determination that we needed to carry on with our work. Their evidence led us to call for free personal care, across the parties and unanimously, and to make recommendations that I believe will lead to better community care services. I would also like to thank Sir Stewart Sutherland personally and on behalf of the committee for the support that he has given me and the committee over the past months.

Finally, I thank my committee colleagues. What can I say about them? What am I allowed to say about them? They represent the spectrum of political backgrounds in the Parliament, not only across parties but also—from time to time—within their parties. Just as organisations' evidence was overwhelming in pointing to the need for free personal care, so the unanimity among colleagues from different political persuasions was powerful in its own way. The committee's members worked hard and well; they set aside their differences—as well as their recesses. They rolled up their sleeves, delved into a complex and emotive issue and did so with intelligence, good humour and integrity. It has been a privilege to work alongside them. Having embarrassed the committee members suitably, even those who have managed to escape from the committee, I will move on to the substantive issues.

It is unfortunate that the Executive felt the need to lodge an amendment to my motion. [Members: "Hear, hear."] The wording of the motion was given unanimous support at the committee last week and the report was unanimous. The amendment is unfortunate and unnecessary—but I believe that it is no more than that and that it should not deflect the Parliament from the course of action that it has set itself. The amendment allows us to focus on, yet again, only the single issue of free personal care. That is a shame. If the Executive has substantive problems with any of the report's recommendations, I look forward to hearing them. It would have been helpful to have had any such problems outlined in the amendment. The amendment is also unfortunate because there is now a high degree of genuine cross-party unanimity on the issue.

The Sutherland commission's report was about more than personal care, and the Health and Community Care Committee's report is about more than the Sutherland report. I make no apologies for being one of those who, over the past year, has talked endlessly—so unlike me—about free personal care.

I make no apology for believing the evidence that we heard from the professionals, the service users and the carers. I make no apology for seeing the events of the past few weeks as good news for Scotland's elderly and for Scotland's Parliament.

I hope that today's debate will focus on some of the other strands in the community care web—believe us, it is a tangled web. Several key themes emerged during the year that we spent taking evidence; those are reflected in our report. The vast majority of the Sutherland recommendations have been accepted and are being acted on by the Executive. I would like to welcome the commitments that were made in October and again last month by Scottish ministers. In October, Susan Deacon announced substantial extra funding for community care—funding that will rise to £100 million in 2003-04. She announced that joint working—joint managing and resourcing of community care services—would be in place by 2002. She also announced measures to improve the availability of respite, aids and adaptations and additional home care and rapid response packages. All those announcements were welcomed by the committee and by members in the chamber.

In January, those announcements were followed by further commitments to joint and holistic needs assessments—as outlined in the chief nursing officer's report—and the introduction of proposals to implement free personal care for all. The Executive has set up the care development group and will consider the means with which to implement change. The time for talking is over and, as the motion says, now is the time for action.

The events of the past few months and the work of the committee and the Executive have taken us part of the way along a journey towards free personal care and, beyond that, to greater dignity for our pensioners and others. Over the next few months, the development group, the Health and Community Care Committee and the Scottish Parliament will finish the job of implementing free personal care and will complete the community care jigsaw. Members should make no mistake—one way or another the job will be completed. The development group will produce conclusions in August to form part of a bill on long-term care. That bill will be scrutinised by the Health and Community Care Committee as well as by every member in this chamber—in which there is a majority in favour of free long-term care. If we do anything other than implement free personal care, the people of Scotland will never trust us again and they will be right in that.

It is clear to all of us who considered the issue that several key difficulties lie between us and our goal. There is a great deal of work to be done. Sutherland did not have all the answers and neither do we. As a committee, we decided unanimously against putting a timetable on our final recommendations, partly because when work has been completed on what needs to be done and how it needs to be done, we will be in a much better position to grasp when it can and must be done.

The excellent news is that, despite the amendment, the Parliament is moving forward together down that path. There is a high degree of unanimity and central to that is the belief of the Parliament that the service user is at the heart of every change in the community care system. Our report states that our

"concern has been to put the individual and their needs at the heart of the Inquiry and to explore how structures, resources and services can best be structured to respond to these needs."

The Scottish Health Boards Network told us that

"There is still a tendency to fit people into services rather than fitting services around people."—[Official Report, Health and Community Care Committee, 6 September 2000; c 1138.]

We want a system in which people are not only given fair and equitable access to quality services irrespective of where in Scotland they live, but where we can gauge the level of unmet need, from aids and adaptations to respite care. We welcome the news that the care development group will examine current service provision and identify gaps and duplications. It cannot be right that people pay different amounts for the same services in different parts of Scotland. We welcome the fact that the Executive is working with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities to investigate such an unfair example of postcode prescribing. We also welcome the fact that the Executive will take reserved powers to issue guidance on charging for councils if necessary. Services should be supplied on the basis of need, rather than on the basis of a person's address.

The committee discovered a general view that service delivery throughout the country is distinctly patchy. That led us to call for a more systematic national approach. We felt strongly that there is a real need for systematic change in Scotland's community care services to assist in the fair distribution of services and in their financial planning. We highlighted the needs in the areas of prevention and convalescence: the work that is done in rapid response teams to avoid hospital admission or intensive home care packages following discharge. Members were able to see such schemes around Scotland.

Those comments echo the proposals that were outlined by the Executive in October. We must remember that all the work—in the committee, the joint future group and the Executive—was being carried out at the same time. We have all been moving towards an end point, but we are taking slightly different approaches to reach the same end.

We need a work force that is properly trained. We also need services that are based on the individual. We appreciate that that will depend upon the good will and skills of our community care work force, but we believe that they will continue to rise to the challenge. We are keen to see social work service provision available round the clock, and a more holistic approach to assessment and care. We welcome the development of the role of generic care workers, who combine home and health care tasks. We are keen to see greater multidisciplinary training for all sectors of the work force. We recognise that our proposals involve the need for work force planning. Multidisciplinary team working is a fact of life, and the sooner members of staff are trained in that and take that training as a matter of course, the better for future services.

The Health and Community Care Committee also feels that there is a need for greater funding of community care in future, so we welcome the announcements on extra funding that were made in October and January by the Minister for Health and Community Care. Several submissions highlighted the fact that local authorities were failing to spend up to grant-aided expenditure on care of the elderly and community care services, with children's services being a particular drain on social work budgets.

While evidence suggested that the total sum that was being spent on community care was inadequate, it also highlighted the lack of a systematic method of calculating community care expenditure. Horrifyingly, current systems not only fail to record what is being spent on community care, but they fail to record what should be spent. The Executive's commitment to the introduction of best-value criteria should be welcomed as a step in the right direction in examining current deployment of resources. It has said that it will introduce legislation that will facilitate single funding streams. Generally speaking, we are looking to build a new community care service in which every service is based on best-value evidence and best practice. That view is shared by the joint future group.

We felt that resource transfers lacked accountability and were a continuing source of mistrust across professional boundaries, and that further work should be done on quantifiable targets. We also highlighted some of the difficulties that face the voluntary sector in community care.

It is clear that a great deal of work must be done to break through the community care funding fog, and to allow professionals to work together in a more integrated way. Against a background of a funding imbalance between community and institutional care, we would like to see a further shift of people into the community, and to see the total funds that will result from the closure of long-stay beds being released for community care services, with joint agreements agreed prior to closure. There should be a full audit of the remaining capital resources that will be released through hospital closure. There is a need for greater funding clarity.

That is a major area for further work if we are to deliver the best use of Scotland's community care pounds. The Health and Community Care Committee calls for a full audit of funding needs and available resources, which would allow the production of a national financial framework for community care services. I am pleased that the Executive's response to the committee's report agrees that that is the way forward. The delivery of community care services should be a national priority, and the Executive should signal that through the production of a national service framework for community care services, which should be monitored annually.

Ultimately, financial accountability, national standards and quality services are delivered locally and it is necessary for us to look at local organisations. The Health and Community Care Committee feels that there should be local freedom to decide on the best means of care delivery. However, we set that against a clear belief that a single body should be responsible for budget holding and the planning and commissioning of community care services, as opposed to the current situation in which health boards, local authorities and primary care trusts are all involved. The evidence that was given to us was not clear-cut on which of those organisations should be the single body or, indeed, whether there should be a joint board. We are aware that the Executive has been working on this issue. We want a single point of entry to the service for users and their families and we want staff to be encouraged to work together by systems, organisations, funding and training.

We hope that the needs of citizens who require community care services will be met in a way that gives them dignity and a good quality of life. Our report touches on the importance of appropriate housing and planning, as well as on social and health care.

We were reminded often by the evidence that we took that we were working on behalf of thousands of Scots who cannot speak for themselves. Some are elderly, some are disabled, some suffer from dementia, and some care for loved ones in terrible situations, but all of them rely on community care services. We speak for them—our committee has listened to their voices. I believe that we have produced on their behalf a piece of work that will change their lives for the better and give our elderly a brighter and fairer future.

I commend the report to the Parliament, and I sincerely hope that colleagues on all sides of the chamber will support it.

I move,

That the Parliament notes, and calls upon the Scottish Executive to act upon, the recommendations contained within the 16th Report 2000 by the Health and Community Care Committee, Inquiry into the Delivery of Community Care in Scotland (SP Paper 219).

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S1M-1639, in the name of Margaret Smith, on behalf of the Health and Community Care Committee, on the committ...
Mrs Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
I am pleased—as convener of the Health and Community Care Committee—to lead on this debate on our report into community care. At various points during the pa...
The Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care (Malcolm Chisholm): Lab
Susan Deacon regrets that she cannot be present today; she is attending a meeting with UK ministers in London to discuss CJD-related issues. I am sure that a...
Mr Duncan Hamilton (Highlands and Islands) (SNP): SNP
The minister omitted to mention the part of the remit that says that part of the role of the care development group would be to provide a clear definition of...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
We need to translate the principle of Sutherland—which we accept—into an applicable, understandable and doable system of charging and non-charging. That rela...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
On that point, I understand that the Executive objects to the motion that is before us and has lodged an amendment simply on the grounds that the committee s...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
Mike Rumbles should appreciate that the normal purpose of a motion on a committee report is that the Parliament notes it. This is the first time that the Exe...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
If we are to follow the logic of the minister's argument, will he tell us which aspects of the report's recommendations he does not agree with and does not i...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
That is very much in the detail. For example, I could point to recommendation 44, which concerns the involvement of social work in the training of GPs in the...
Nicola Sturgeon (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
I start by welcoming the Health and Community Care Committee's report. As someone who joined the committee at a very late stage of this piece of work, I pay ...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
I am genuinely mystified. I will try for the next hour to understand the basis of that argument. When I was asked whether I had any reservations about detail...
Nicola Sturgeon: SNP
Welcoming it might be better than noting it, but it is still not quite as good as acting on it. The minister said that when he talked about things in the rep...
Malcolm Chisholm rose— Lab
Nicola Sturgeon: SNP
It talks about the emergency statement on 25 January, which dealt solely with personal care. The amendment again raises the possibility that the Executive's ...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
Will the member give way?
Nicola Sturgeon: SNP
Not just now, as I am summing up.The motion gives the Parliament the opportunity yet again to vote for what we all say we believe in. If the Executive means ...
Mary Scanlon (Highlands and Islands) (Con): Con
I thank Margaret Smith for proposing the Health and Community Care Committee report so competently. I also commend all the members and staff involved.I have ...
Malcolm Chisholm rose— Lab
Mary Scanlon: Con
I am just getting started.Apart from the ill-judged amendment, which only adds to the confusion over personal care for the elderly, I also find the Executive...
Malcolm Chisholm: Lab
Surely Mary Scanlon realises that the Executive's amendment has nothing to do with free personal care. As I said in my speech, all the amendment does is poin...
Mary Scanlon: Con
If that is the case, perhaps Malcolm Chisholm will clarify that point when he sums up.Why does the Executive have to refer to the care development group, whi...
Malcolm Chisholm rose— Lab
Mary Scanlon: Con
I want to move on.When Stewart Sutherland was asked by Malcolm Chisholm in the Health and Community Care Committee whether he envisaged any difficulties in i...
Des McNulty (Clydebank and Milngavie) (Lab): Lab
The central issue of this debate is not just the Health and Community Care Committee's report, which is important and which has, along with the Sutherland re...
Ben Wallace (North-East Scotland) (Con): Con
Will the member give way?
Des McNulty: Lab
No, I am short of time.Many of the people who bore the impact of those policies were elderly people—our pensioners, who were neglected and disadvantaged by w...
Kay Ullrich (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
This report is a good example of the important work that is being undertaken by the committees in the Parliament. In addition to taking written submissions a...
Dr Richard Simpson (Ochil) (Lab): Lab
Will the member give way?
Kay Ullrich: SNP
I do not have time.I will end with the issues that were paramount in all the submissions and, indeed, in all the visits. The first is the desire that the Sut...
Alex Fergusson (South of Scotland) (Con): Con
The contents of this excellent report show quite categorically that the well-being of our citizens and the health of our nation can come before party politic...