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Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Nov 2000
Equality Strategy
I, too, congratulate Jackie Baillie and Margaret Curran on their new appointments. I look forward to working with them.Fiona Hyslop said that she thought it would be better if we heard from the Equal Opportunities Committee's reporters. During the past year or so, both the com...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Mar 2001
Travelling People
Thank you very much for giving evidence to the committee.The next group of witnesses is from the racial equality councils. We welcome Jeannie Felsinger, from Grampian Racial Equality Council, and Nel Whiting and Frazer Campbell, from Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Coun...
The Convener: Lab Committee
26 Mar 2002
Subordinate Legislation
Item 2 is to take evidence from the Commission for Racial Equality and the Scottish Executive equality unit. This is a continuation of the evidence that we took last week.First, we welcome Dharmendra Kanani, Mick Conboy and Kathleen Bolt from the Commission for Racial Equality...
Kate Maclean: Lab Chamber
21 Mar 2002
Question Time · Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000
Given that, to date, legislation alone has not significantly reduced racism, how much funding is the Scottish Executive providing to implement the requirements on it under the Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 and to further race equality in general? With the Presiding Offic...
Kate MacLean: Lab Committee
02 Oct 2001
Consultative Steering Group Principles
It is not the role of the Scottish Executive equality unit to monitor the Parliament. The equality unit works for the Executive and its work must be scrutinised. It should not be the Equal Opportunities Committee's role to monitor the Parliament, but at the moment we are doing...
The Convener (Kate MacLean): Lab Committee
14 Dec 1999
Scottish Parliament<br />Equal Opportunities Committee<br />Tuesday 14 December 1999<br />(Morning)
I am sorry about the late start. I had some difficulty getting here because of the weather. Three members of the committee have not arrived yet. They are probably having the same problem. Rowena Arshad from the Centre for Education for Racial Equality in Scotland has not arriv...
The Convener: Lab Committee
14 May 2002
Taking Stock (Race Issues)
When, toward the end of November, education authorities and schools produce their policies on racial equality, will the Scottish Executive and the Commission for Racial Equality examine those policies, or will the CRE alone examine them?
Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
16 Feb 2000
Draft Census (Scotland) Order 2000
I welcome the opportunity to debate the census, not least because, after today, I will not have to think or talk about the census for a while. I want to explain why I withdrew so late the motion that I submitted on behalf of the Equal Opportunities Committee. The motion was su...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Jun 2002
Gender Equality and Best Value Inquiry
I welcome Mick Conboy and Lucy Chapman from the Commission for Racial Equality, who have come to give evidence as part of the committee's inquiry into gender equality and best value. In previous evidence-taking sessions, we have asked witnesses not to make a short statement, b...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Jun 2002
Gender Equality and Best Value Inquiry
We move on to item 4, which is consideration of a draft paper on the key themes in our inquiry into gender equality and best value. Members should leave to one side the evidence that we heard today from the Commission for Racial Equality. The clerks will summarise and e-mail t...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Mainstreaming Equality
It is all right; it is in the Official Report.I want to return to a couple of answers on which I am not clear. Lyndsay McIntosh asked about the progress that the Executive had made on equality indicators. I understood from the answer that the Executive was only at the beginnin...
Kate MacLean (Convener, Equal Opportunities Committee): Lab Committee
02 Oct 2001
Consultative Steering Group Principles
Thank you, convener. It is a bit strange to be sitting at this side of the table instead of in the convener's chair.As the convener has introduced the Equal Opportunities Committee delegation, I will go straight to a brief presentation, after which we will answer questions.As ...
Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 May 2000
Race Relations
I welcome the fact that we are having this debate, albeit it a short one, because although racial equality is a reserved area in one sense, the ethnic minority communities in Scotland, as well as the Parliament, have a clear interest in the impact of the legislation, particula...
Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
05 Dec 2001
Gypsy Travellers and Public Sector Policies
I welcome the opportunity to bring this debate to the chamber this afternoon. I begin by thanking Delia Lomax, adviser to the Equal Opportunities Committee for the inquiry. I also thank members of the committee, past and present. We have had quite a few changes in membership, ...
Kate Maclean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
26 Sep 2002
Race Equality
I am happy to support the Executive's motion. I am grateful that the minister mentioned the Equal Opportunities Committee, because, along with the organisations that have supported us for the past three and a half years, the committee has worked hard to ensure that race equali...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Apr 2000
Budget Process
All members should have received a short paper. We do not yet know on which date the Deputy Minister for Communities and the Minister for Finance will appear before the committee. Members will be aware that the convener of the Finance Committee has written to all subject commi...
The Convener: Lab Committee
22 Jun 1999
Remit
We can discuss whether we will have meetings during the recess in a few minutes' time.It would be useful to have a briefing from the Commission for Racial Equality. The committee can ask ministers to come and give evidence, either formally or informally, but it might be useful...
The Convener: Lab Committee
22 Jun 1999
Remit
It is important that we get briefings on access issues from statutory agencies that deal with disability issues, such as Disability Scotland, and from the Equal Opportunities Commission and the Commission for Racial Equality, as well as from the parliamentary information centr...
The Convener: Lab Committee
07 Sep 1999
Schedule of Meetings
That ties in with my thoughts about the committee. We have two roles: to consider the Parliament's legislation; and to be pro-active in examining issues that have been raised by the groups that briefed us during the recess. I hoped that we could have formal meetings every fort...
The Convener: Lab Committee
21 Sep 1999
Correspondence
There are crossover areas for committees. When we met the Commission for Racial Equality, we invited members of the Justice and Home Affairs Committee along. I am not sure that any of them turned up, but we did invite them and we sent them details of the documents that were pr...
The Convener: Lab Committee
21 Sep 1999
Correspondence
Yes, or I will nominate someone.Are there any more comments on the correspondence? The rest of it is just invitations. The Commission for Racial Equality has invited all members to attend a meeting. It is up to members to decide whether they want to go, but it would be good if...
The Convener: Lab Committee
21 Sep 1999
Correspondence
The Commission for Racial Equality has invited members of this committee to attend a meeting of the joint equalities group after our meeting on 17 November. I will get Martin to send members a copy of the invitation. Many organisations will be there, so it would be good if mem...
The Convener: Lab Committee
16 Nov 1999
Correspondence
Members should have copies of the most recent correspondence. Shona Robison has already raised the matter of the Immigration and Asylum Bill, which the race group will take on board. There was also a letter from the Commission for Racial Equality asking us to support its submi...
The Convener: Lab Committee
23 Nov 1999
Progress Reports
There are quite a lot of racial equality councils.
The Convener: Lab Committee
23 Nov 1999
Progress Reports
There are six racial equality councils, so it is not inconceivable that we could ask each to send a representative. When we take evidence, we might find that different issues are raised that relate to local matters, for example, local authority funding and problems in specific...
The Convener: Lab Committee
14 Mar 2000
2001 Census
We now move on to item 5. Everybody should have a copy of the consultation document. I have written to the Deputy Minister for Social Inclusion, Housing and the Voluntary Sector, suggesting that we should have a longer time scale for consultation because of the timing of our c...
The Convener: Lab Committee
14 Mar 2000
Progress Reports
The CRE would have preferred a language question to be included in the census but has accepted the fact that valuable information can still be gained through the boosted household survey, depending on what question is asked. We will want to consult Positive Action in Housing a...
The Convener: Lab Committee
14 Mar 2000
Progress Reports
We have already said that travelling people would come within our race remit, and I know that the Commission for Racial Equality deals with the travelling community. We would like to invite the consortium to a future meeting, as soon as we are clear of the legislation that we ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Mar 2000
Disability Issues
Thank you—I echo those final comments. We work closely with the Commission for Racial Equality and the Equal Opportunities Commission and we are looking forward to working closely with the Disability Rights Commission.
The Convener: Lab Committee
30 Jan 2001
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The next evidence will be from the Commission for Racial Equality. The agenda states that Levi Pay will give evidence, but Mick Conboy is here in his stead. Members have received a paper that has not been submitted officially yet, but which will be submitted officially in the ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Mar 2001
Travelling People
I should have asked the Edinburgh and Lothians Racial Equality Council representatives to make a short submission before we started taking questions. Perhaps they could do that and then questions could be addressed to any of the panel. I am sorry; that was my fault.
The Convener: Lab Committee
01 May 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
I welcome Sue Robertson and Jeanette Timmins from Engender women's budget group, and Dharmendra Kanani and Lucy Chapman from the Commission for Racial Equality. I apologise for the fact that they have been kept waiting—our very interesting evidence session with young Gypsy/Tra...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Sep 2001
Civic Participation Event
I do not envisage that a lot of MSPs will speak.The letter from George Reid, which was issued late, gives more information on that—I do not know whether all members have seen it. The letter sets out George Reid's comments on how he sees the event being run. He has made some us...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Sep 2001
Civic Participation Event
Yes. Lee Bridges, the clerk, has pointed out that the motion, even if it is unanimously agreed to, will not have any legal status, as the event is not a meeting of the Parliament. However, people should assume that the committee will take forward points that are made. The poin...
The Convener (Kate Maclean): Lab Committee
16 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Let us get started. I have received apologies from Tommy Sheridan, Michael McMahon, Jamie Stone and Kay Ullrich.I welcome to the meeting Dharmendra Kanani and Lucy Chapman from the Commission for Racial Equality, and Mark Kennedy and Margaret Gregg from the Scottish Gypsy Trav...
The Convener: Lab Committee
14 May 2002
Taking Stock (Race Issues)
You say that the policies are not approved formally, but I presume that they must reach a certain standard in demonstrating a commitment to racial equality.
Kate MacLean: Lab Committee
29 Jun 1999
Remit
The Equal Opportunities Committee will probably ask, towards the end of the recess, for a briefing from the Commission for Racial Equality. If you wish, I could ask the clerk to that committee to issue an invitation to members of this committee too, so that we can get some bac...
Kate MacLean: Lab Committee
02 Oct 2001
Consultative Steering Group Principles
The Executive's writing of equal opportunities into the bill was also the result of a lot of lobbying behind the scenes by me, the Commission for Racial Equality and other individual members.
Kate MacLean: Lab Committee
18 Dec 2001
Consultative Steering Group Principles Inquiry
I have another meeting at half-past 12. I apologise to the witnesses from the Equal Opportunities Commission and the Commission for Racial Equality for not being able to stay for their evidence. I promise that I will read the Official Report of the meeting.
The Convener: Lab Committee
07 Sep 1999
Methods of Working and Legislative Programme
The equality unit, when it is set up, is meant to equality proof all legislation. It is up to us to decide whether we consider all legislation. I do not think that we have to ask anybody else to decide what comes before the committee. When we talk about invitations I intend to...
The Convener (Kate MacLean): Lab Committee
23 Nov 1999
“Improving our Schools”
The first item on the agenda is taking further evidence on the consultation document "Improving our Schools". We will hear from the Equality Network, whose representatives will give evidence first, and the Educational Institute of Scotland. I welcome the Equality Network to th...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Apr 2000
Budget Process
That would be a good idea. The budget process shows how difficult it is for this committee to keep a handle on things. If we are committed to mainstreaming equality, as is the Executive and all the other committees, each committee should take responsibility for equality and we...
The Convener: Lab Committee
30 Jan 2001
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We probably have another five minutes for questions.In response to Margaret Smith's first question, the minister seemed to answer that equality groups do not want a statutory duty of consultation placed on local authorities and RSLs. I think that the minister said that equalit...
The Convener: Lab Committee
11 Jun 2002
Gender Equality and Best Value Inquiry
Yes. Both Jon Harris and Muriel Robison mentioned the Local Government in Scotland Bill. Do you think that the equal opportunity requirements that are contained in the bill will be sufficient to address gender equality issues or to improve gender equality significantly?
The Convener (Kate Maclean): Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Mainstreaming Equality
We should get started. I have received apologies from Jamie Stone, who is unable to attend because of the weather, and from Kay Ullrich, who is running a bit late.I welcome to the meeting a party of clerks from the Parliament of Bosnia and Herzegovina, who are observing today'...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Mainstreaming Equality
I will not suspend the meeting; we will just move on to item 2, which is mainstreaming equality in the work of the parliamentary committees. Members should have the paper that was sent out on the themes that were discussed at our last meeting on mainstreaming equality on 14 Ja...
Kate MacLean (Dundee West) (Lab): Lab Chamber
02 Dec 1999
Equalities
While I can agree with a lot of what has been said, it would probably have been more appropriate to debate it at another time. I would like to return to the issues that we are meant to be debating today. I do not have a tremendous problem with the SNP amendment, although I do ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
06 Mar 2000
Ethical Standards in Public Life etc (Scotland) Bill
I think that we are getting into a different area of discussion. The Race Relations Act 1976 protects people against racial harassment, but there is no legal protection for people of different sexual orientations. The repeal of section 2A is meant to remove some discrimination...
The Convener: Lab Committee
19 Dec 2000
Chhokar Inquiries
My personal opinion is that the Lord Advocate did not put forward particularly convincing arguments as to why the inquiries should be held in private. On the other hand, I do not feel that the committee is equipped to conduct its own inquiry. We would have to appoint an advise...
Kate MacLean: Lab Chamber
02 Dec 1999
Equalities
Racial discrimination is probably one of the worst types of discrimination. To deal with it, we must accept that racism is entrenched in every aspect of Scottish life. I do not agree with Jamie McGrigor that there should be no special rules or status, as gender-neutral or colo...
The Convener: Lab Committee
07 Sep 1999
External Organisations and Other Correspondence
I do not know—as soon as we can organise it, which will depend on people's diary commitments. It may not be a joint briefing. The Equality Network briefing will take place as soon as we can set it up. We will probably have that briefing before the one from COSLA. The Scottish ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
21 Sep 1999
Improvement in Scottish Education Bill
We are going to invite the equality unit along to the committee. The group works to the Executive, not to this committee, and is responsible for equality proofing legislation. The person who will head the unit is not yet in post and we will invite them along to ask them what t...
The Convener (Kate MacLean): Lab Committee
28 Sep 1999
Macpherson Report
Good afternoon. Some committee members have yet to arrive, but as it is just after two o'clock we shall start. I have received apologies from Tommy Sheridan, Marilyn Livingstone and John Munro. I welcome Jim Wallace, Deputy First Minister and Minister for Justice, and Jackie B...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Oct 1999
Progress Reports
We are writing to various organisations with an interest in equality issues to ask them for their comments. We can then decide which organisations we want to brief us. That will have to be decided fairly soon. We will also want to invite someone from the Executive along to ask...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Apr 2000
Budget Process
That committee has responded to my letter. We should encourage equality organisations to contact service committees directly. We have been taking all the evidence on equality issues and collating it for the service committees. It would be useful if they were to hear evidence a...
The Convener: Lab Committee
20 Jun 2000
“Towards an Equality Strategy”
The next item on the agenda is evidence on "Towards an Equality Strategy". Everybody has had a copy of the report on the responses. The annexe includes a list of respondents. We are being offered the opportunity to examine the responses, of which there are a number. Today, we ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Jul 2000
“Towards an Equality Strategy”
I welcome the Deputy Minister for Communities, Jackie Baillie, who has come to give evidence on the equality strategy. I invite you to give a brief introduction to the committee, after which we will ask questions. I understand that you want a dialogue with, and feedback from, ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Jul 2000
Scottish Homes Race Equality Consultation
For the next item on the agenda, we welcome representatives of Scottish Homes. At a previous meeting, we took evidence from Positive Action in Housing, whose representatives expressed concerns that led us to invite Scottish Homes to give evidence as part of its race equality c...
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Oct 2000
Equality Proofing and Mainstreaming
The next item is the paper on equality proofing and mainstreaming, which has been made available today. There is a correction—which members should have had the opportunity to read—to that paper. Are there any questions or comments on the paper?
The Convener: Lab Committee
24 Oct 2000
Equality Training
The next item is the update on equality training. Members will remember that we agreed a few meetings ago that we would produce a paper on the matter. Are there any comments or questions on the paper?
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Plenary, 08 Nov 2000

08 Nov 2000 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Equality Strategy
I, too, congratulate Jackie Baillie and Margaret Curran on their new appointments. I look forward to working with them.

Fiona Hyslop said that she thought it would be better if we heard from the Equal Opportunities Committee's reporters. During the past year or so, both the committee and its reporters have heard oral evidence and seen written evidence that leaves us in no doubt that the massive discrimination and massive inequality that exists in every aspect of Scottish life must be tackled.

We realise that, because of intolerance, prejudice and—probably more often—ignorance, people are discriminated against. They are not allowed to reach their full potential and do not have access to the goods and services that we take for granted. In the worst cases, people are discriminated against, bullied and subjected to verbal and physical abuse. That situation is intolerable and I am sure that all members in the chamber agree that it must be dealt with, although we may come to different conclusions about how that should be done.

The equality strategy does not claim to be a solution to those problems, nor is it particularly self-congratulatory, as it identifies problems that have not been tackled in the past. The strategy must be mechanistic, as it must examine structures and processes.

I have been involved in equal opportunities since I was first elected to local government and over the years I have seen equal opportunities policies that, frankly, were not worth the paper they were written on. The structures and monitoring were not in place to ensure that those policies were effective.

Some organisations that were consulted when the strategy was being drawn up were critical because the consultation document was vague. However, they are quite happy with the strategy, because their input has been taken on board and included. Many equality organisations have welcomed the strategy and I am quite happy to listen to their comments on it.

I am particularly interested in section 3 of strategy, which deals with the Executive's commitment to mainstreaming. I am sure the minister is aware that the Equal Opportunities Committee has discussed mainstreaming on a number of occasions. On Tuesday, we agreed a research bid to examine that issue in more depth.

As an interim measure, we have agreed a draft checklist, which is based on one produced by the Equal Opportunities Commission and the Commission for Racial Equality. We will consult other equality organisations on our checklist. After that, I intend to write to all the Parliament's committee conveners to ask them to build in the checklist to the work of scrutinising legislation. That temporary measure will be in place until more concrete proposals are made. Perhaps when the minister sums up, she will indicate how she thinks the committee's work on mainstreaming will fit in with the Executive's proposals.

I have a couple of questions on issues that concern me. Appendix 1 of the document, on the legislative framework, does not appear to mention the most recent European Union equal treatment directive—perhaps it is mentioned but, if so, I have not noticed it. That directive deals with significant changes to the law. The UK Government will have to ban discrimination in employment on the grounds of sexual orientation and religious belief within three years and on the grounds of age within six years. Once implemented, that directive will be a significant tool.

Various organisations have raised a second point with me. Jackie Baillie placed great emphasis on inclusive policy making when she opened the debate, but there is a concern that some smaller organisations and community groups do not have adequate resources to become involved in consultations. During the past year and a half, responding to consultations has put a considerable burden on organisations, although they are happy to be consulted. Are there any plans to ensure that they have adequate resources, given that private individuals are able to put massive amounts of money into campaigns against equality? It would be only fair if we were to redress that balance in some way, to ensure that organisations that are committed to pursuing our strategy are also adequately resourced.

I realise that the equality strategy is for the long term. In the meantime, the Executive must make an assumption for equality in all its proposals. Fiona McLeod made a good point about the Transport (Scotland) Bill. Although we managed to include equality provisions in the Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2000, the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000 and the Standards in Scotland's Schools etc Act 2000, we had to fight for them. Such provisions have been included because of the work of the committee and individual members of the Parliament—they have not just appeared. In future, when bills are introduced, I hope that there will be an assumption for equality.

I feel very positive about the equality strategy. I look forward to working with the Executive to achieve the objectives that are contained in the strategy. I have been critical in the past, but I am happy to support the Executive's motion.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid): SNP
The first item of business is a debate on motion S1M-1320, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on the equality strategy, and two amendments to that motion.
The Minister for Social Justice (Jackie Baillie): Lab
I would like to take members back to 1 July 1999. In his outstanding address at the opening of this Parliament, Donald Dewar said:"we will never lose sight o...
Fiona McLeod (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I am pleased that Jackie Baillie is talking about ensuring that mainstreaming is part of our daily business. Today, at the Transport and the Environment Comm...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
We are taking forward our mainstreaming work in two pilot areas that were identified in the strategy document. One is housing and the other is the schools di...
Mr Lloyd Quinan (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I thank the minister for her statement so far.Could we have an outline of the financial structures that will be used to deliver this strategy across the diff...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
The financial structures are clear. The equality unit has always been meant to be strategic. It will have a budget and I will provide the chamber with detail...
Mr Quinan rose— SNP
Jackie Baillie: Lab
I will continue. One of the key messages to emerge during our consultation was the need to find better ways for people to get involved and more effective way...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
I suspect that a number of members want to speak but have not yet pressed their buttons. I ask them to do so. I will then be able to make up my list of membe...
Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP): SNP
I welcome Jackie Baillie on what I believe is the occasion of her first speech in her capacity as Minister for Social Justice. It is worth starting by examin...
Mr Michael McMahon (Hamilton North and Bellshill) (Lab): Lab
I accept that the member has concerns about aspects of the equality strategy, although she should be specific about them, but where in the SNP motion does sh...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Would the member like to have the power to amend the Disability Discrimination Act 1995? Would he like to have powers over employment legislation? Yes, he wo...
Mr McMahon: Lab
Answer the question.
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I will not enter into a dialogue on this. Businesses do not look to this Parliament to examine employment strategies for people with disabilities; they look ...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
I am conversant with section L2 of schedule 5 to the Scotland Act 1998. Will Fiona Hyslop be good enough to recognise that we have used one of the duties on ...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
As the minister is conversant with section L2, I sincerely hope that she will consider supporting the SNP's amendment, which asks the Executive to use the se...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) rose— Lab
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I am sorry, Johann. I would like to move on.Before I was elected as an MSP, I spent my years in business, so I am fully conversant with management-speak. I k...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD): LD
I understand the point that Fiona Hyslop makes, but I do not understand why she seems to berate the Scottish Executive, because the issue that she is address...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I will be interested to hear whether Bill Aitken wants to embrace the Labour party in its self-affirmation and self-congratulation. Mike Rumbles makes a vali...
Johann Lamont: Lab
Will the member give way?
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
I am sorry, but I would like to continue.It is important that the Executive, as an employer, uses good practice, but it should remember that senior civil ser...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
In rising to move amendment S1M-1320.1, I think that it would first be appropriate for me to congratulate the new Minister for Social Justice and the new Dep...
Mr Rumbles: LD
I am not following Bill Aitken's reasoning, so could he be specific about which insulting and patronising legislation he is referring to?
Bill Aitken: Con
If Mike Rumbles will bear with me, he will hear the answer to his question as I proceed. If he will not bear with me, he will have other opportunities to int...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
Order.
Bill Aitken: Con
Once again, the same nebulous nonsense is being parroted.Let us turn to some of the specifics. I am sure that members will agree that it would be absolutely ...
Jackie Baillie: Lab
I wonder whether Bill Aitken is aware of the difference between positive discrimination and positive action. Is he also aware that positive discrimination—wh...
Bill Aitken: Con
Of course I am. I rather suspect, however, that our roles should be reversed—I am not convinced that the minister realises the difference. The Executive migh...
Mike Watson (Glasgow Cathcart) (Lab): Lab
I thank the Rev I M Jolly for giving way. Bill Aitken started off by saying that what we have is another glossy document. Perhaps a document printed on brown...