Chamber
Plenary, 18 Sep 2003
18 Sep 2003 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Improving Scotland's Health
I am possibly in a minority today, as I have not found the debate particularly useful. Shona Robison, who I think was the second speaker this morning, said that the debate was wide ranging and unfocused and could have been entitled, "Health: discuss." Having sat through the debate today, I suggest that the debate could just as easily have been called, "Predictability: discuss."
The debate has been quite interesting. However, we would hope that, when we have a whole day in which to discuss health without a motion to vote on and when members are not meant to be partisan, the debate would be illuminating and some good ideas would come out of it. We have heard examples of good practice in various parts of Scotland and we have heard about problems in respect of health in Scotland, but those have been discussed before. I do not think that we have heard anything new.
Members have also been a bit partisan. The nationalists tailed off into arguing that the solution to Scotland's health problems is a constitutional one. David Davidson pointed to back-door privatisation of the NHS as the solution to our health problems. However, it was interesting to hear him state that the Conservative party wants
"a health service that responds to the needs of … the patient"
and that we should move away from the
"top-down approach".
He said that as if it had always been the Conservative position on the NHS. That demonstrates that a Scottish Tory in the new user-friendly Tory party can, on occasion, opt for delusion over despair.
My comments perhaps represent an over-simplification of members' positions, but they are pertinent to the point that I want to make. One of the major contributors to the health debate and to forming health policy is the media, which I do not think have been mentioned today—I am one of the members who have sat through the whole debate.
I was interested to hear an item on "Good Morning Scotland" when I was driving through to Edinburgh at some ungodly hour this week—I think it was on Tuesday—about the King's Fund report, "Health in the News". I have read only the summary, although I look forward to reading the full report. The report's analysis of the relationship between politicians, the media and the public seems to go to the crux of our problem with improving public health and the health service in Scotland. Roger Harrabin, who conducted the survey, found that the imbalance in the media coverage of health-related issues means that far more prominence is given to scare stories and to NHS-in-crisis stories than to issues that have justifiably been discussed here today, such as the effects of smoking, alcohol and poverty on health. Most members have mentioned at least one of those issues today.
Even more worrying is the fact that some media coverage is so persuasive that it has an impact on people's behaviour. The most obvious recent example concerns parents who have chosen not to have their children vaccinated with the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. The media coverage about that stemmed from one scientific report that linked MMR with autism. No weight was given to the numerous scientific reports that refuted that link. The coverage by the media—in collusion with politicians; I am not blaming only the media—has led to a significant decrease in the uptake of that vaccine. That could lead to serious health problems for young people in the future.
Another matter that members should all be aware of, but about which we all seem incapable of doing anything, is the effect of the media on us as politicians. We are all guilty of overreacting to media coverage of local health issues. At a local level, the closure of buildings, the opening of new buildings and acute services reviews have us all metaphorically flinging ourselves down in front of the bulldozers.
I have a minute left, so I will have to cut short what I was going to say. There are many examples of cases in which, although the media might not necessarily represent public opinion, they give us the impression that they do and we shape health policy based on that. That gets in the way of our having a dialogue about real issues that affect health in Scotland.
If the media were to use their significant influence to publicise issues that affect health, such as those that have been discussed in the debate, and if politicians tried not to be parochial but to take a wider look at health matters, we could have a serious dialogue that would lead to improvements in health and health care and to radical changes in the way in which we deliver health services. Until the media and politicians can do that, we will not reach that stage—I certainly do not think that we have reached that stage today.
The debate has been quite interesting. However, we would hope that, when we have a whole day in which to discuss health without a motion to vote on and when members are not meant to be partisan, the debate would be illuminating and some good ideas would come out of it. We have heard examples of good practice in various parts of Scotland and we have heard about problems in respect of health in Scotland, but those have been discussed before. I do not think that we have heard anything new.
Members have also been a bit partisan. The nationalists tailed off into arguing that the solution to Scotland's health problems is a constitutional one. David Davidson pointed to back-door privatisation of the NHS as the solution to our health problems. However, it was interesting to hear him state that the Conservative party wants
"a health service that responds to the needs of … the patient"
and that we should move away from the
"top-down approach".
He said that as if it had always been the Conservative position on the NHS. That demonstrates that a Scottish Tory in the new user-friendly Tory party can, on occasion, opt for delusion over despair.
My comments perhaps represent an over-simplification of members' positions, but they are pertinent to the point that I want to make. One of the major contributors to the health debate and to forming health policy is the media, which I do not think have been mentioned today—I am one of the members who have sat through the whole debate.
I was interested to hear an item on "Good Morning Scotland" when I was driving through to Edinburgh at some ungodly hour this week—I think it was on Tuesday—about the King's Fund report, "Health in the News". I have read only the summary, although I look forward to reading the full report. The report's analysis of the relationship between politicians, the media and the public seems to go to the crux of our problem with improving public health and the health service in Scotland. Roger Harrabin, who conducted the survey, found that the imbalance in the media coverage of health-related issues means that far more prominence is given to scare stories and to NHS-in-crisis stories than to issues that have justifiably been discussed here today, such as the effects of smoking, alcohol and poverty on health. Most members have mentioned at least one of those issues today.
Even more worrying is the fact that some media coverage is so persuasive that it has an impact on people's behaviour. The most obvious recent example concerns parents who have chosen not to have their children vaccinated with the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. The media coverage about that stemmed from one scientific report that linked MMR with autism. No weight was given to the numerous scientific reports that refuted that link. The coverage by the media—in collusion with politicians; I am not blaming only the media—has led to a significant decrease in the uptake of that vaccine. That could lead to serious health problems for young people in the future.
Another matter that members should all be aware of, but about which we all seem incapable of doing anything, is the effect of the media on us as politicians. We are all guilty of overreacting to media coverage of local health issues. At a local level, the closure of buildings, the opening of new buildings and acute services reviews have us all metaphorically flinging ourselves down in front of the bulldozers.
I have a minute left, so I will have to cut short what I was going to say. There are many examples of cases in which, although the media might not necessarily represent public opinion, they give us the impression that they do and we shape health policy based on that. That gets in the way of our having a dialogue about real issues that affect health in Scotland.
If the media were to use their significant influence to publicise issues that affect health, such as those that have been discussed in the debate, and if politicians tried not to be parochial but to take a wider look at health matters, we could have a serious dialogue that would lead to improvements in health and health care and to radical changes in the way in which we deliver health services. Until the media and politicians can do that, we will not reach that stage—I certainly do not think that we have reached that stage today.
In the same item of business
Resumed debate.
Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab):
Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. With reference to this morning's debate and its continuation this afternoon, will the Presiding Officers reflect on p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman):
Lab
There is a basic courtesy to be observed in attending the chamber for opening speeches, and I am sure that we all agree with that. If members want to contrib...
Christine May (Central Fife) (Lab):
Lab
I was delighted to be here this morning and have the opportunity for such a wide-ranging debate, without the necessity of looking for points of difference wi...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I have to declare an interest—I declare that I am, over 50, but I will stop there. Can Christine May tell us about the experience with joint future in her pa...
Christine May:
Lab
I cannot comment on other areas, but my own experience has been good.Finally, I turn to the health of young people. I am grateful to the members and colleagu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Lab
A significant number of members wish to speak, so I propose that we move to five-minute speeches. Even so, I will not be able to call everyone.
Mr Adam Ingram (South of Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I shall take the opportunity afforded by this debate to highlight the plight of people who are suffering mental illness, and that of their carers and all tho...
Scott Barrie:
Lab
Does the member agree that one difficulty is that too much money is tied up in acute mental health services, and not enough recognition is given to community...
Mr Ingram:
SNP
I agree with Scott Barrie, and I shall be interested, as I am sure he will, in Dr Sandra Grant's final report, which will be produced later this year. Commit...
The Deputy Minister for Education and Young People (Euan Robson):
LD
No one would disagree that establishing healthy living for our children today will mean that they enjoy the benefits throughout life. I am therefore grateful...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I am heartened to hear there is a multifaceted approach involving different Executive departments and the public sector. However, the minister began his spee...
Euan Robson:
LD
The member has made an important point about parents' involvement. I do not think that the department would educate parents per se, but it would certainly do...
Paul Martin (Glasgow Springburn) (Lab):
Lab
In the interests of clarity, I want to return to the issue that Christine Grahame raised about the form of this debate. As a former member of the Procedures ...
Mr Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
We have had a wide-ranging debate today. In addition to making one or two observations about health provision in general, I will make one or two comments on ...
Mr Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
Scotland's health should have its heart in the country's remote areas. Many things can be learned from practices in remote areas to help people in the conurb...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
I recognise that members have mixed views about the nature of the debate, but I think that the new format is good, because it has allowed back benchers from ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Murray Tosh):
Con
You have one minute.
Irene Oldfather:
Lab
I am running out of time, so I will have to cut to the chase.I feel that it is absolutely morally wrong that we put so much money into tobacco subsidies in E...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
I identify totally with Irene Oldfather's comments on tobacco in the European context.
Irene Oldfather:
Lab
That is a first.
Phil Gallie:
Con
It is a first, but it is a sincere agreement.Malcolm Chisholm rightly emphasised the need for interaction—not just within the NHS, but among other department...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
it is time to close, Mr Gallie.
Phil Gallie:
Con
Mike Rumbles referred to the requirement for an additional 12,000 midwives and nurses by 2007. I say to the minister that, if he is to achieve that number, t...
Kate Maclean (Dundee West) (Lab):
Lab
I am possibly in a minority today, as I have not found the debate particularly useful. Shona Robison, who I think was the second speaker this morning, said t...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD):
LD
I was one of the members of the Procedures Committee who was enthusiastic about trying out debates without motions. It is excellent that we are doing that. I...
Dennis Canavan (Falkirk West):
*
I welcome the opportunity to debate the improvement of Scotland's health. I intend to concentrate on the provision of services within Forth valley. For many ...
Dr Sylvia Jackson (Stirling) (Lab):
Lab
My colleague will not be amazed about the question that I ask. Does he not agree that there have been two significant recent changes to the situation pertain...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
Quickly, please.
Dr Jackson:
Lab
Secondly, we now have the feedback from the transport study, which shows that transport access to Larbert would be quite horrendous, not only for the people ...