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Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
02 Sep 2009
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in the stage 1 debate on the Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill.Before commenting on the stage 1 report, I thank those who helped the committee to scrutinise the bill so ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
18 Jun 2008
Creative Scotland Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I thank those who helped the committee to scrutinise the bill effectively, particularly all those who gave written and oral evidence to the committee. They pr...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield) Lab Committee
02 Feb 2011
The Future of Schools Management in Scotland
Good morning and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2011 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I remind all those present that mobile phones and electronic devices should be switched off for the duration of the meeting. There are apologies from Claire Baker,...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 May 2010
“Report on supporting children’s learning code of practice”
I am pleased to open this short debate on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee on our report on “Supporting Children’s Learning: Code of Practice (Revised Edition) 2010”.In 2004, the Parliament passed the Education (Additional Support for Learning) ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Feb 2010
Curriculum for Excellence
I emphasise the elements of the debate on which there is consensus. The general principles of the curriculum for excellence were set out by the previous Scottish Executive. At the time, there was broad agreement that the proposed changes were positive. There was general agreem...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab) Lab Chamber
04 Nov 2010
Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak today on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in support of the general principles of the Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill.Scotland has a long, proud and rich cultural history that plays ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
13 Jun 2007
Global Campaign for Education
I thank all the MSPs who signed my motion, which is on a topic that is important not just for Scotland but for the world. It seeks to raise awareness of the vital work of the global campaign for education and to welcome recent events that it has held, with the aim of building ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
16 Jan 2008
“Reviews of National Policies for Education: Quality and Equity of Schooling in Scotland”
There is no doubt that education is one of the most important issues that the Parliament deals with. It is fundamental to Scotland and to the future life chances of our young people. Like other members, I strongly welcome the OECD's report on Scotland's education system. I hop...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
20 Jun 2007
Smarter Scotland
Just as the new Scottish Executive departments appear to be all-encompassing, it seems that we have had a series of debates in the chamber that might as well have been on life, the universe and everything. Chris Harvie's contribution suggests that he took that literally. Today...
The Convener: Lab Committee
20 Jun 2007
Work Programme
After those initial comments, we need to get down to the nitty-gritty of agreeing the committee's direction. As convener, I should set out my stall and tell members what I am interested in. However, I should point out that, although I am convener, I am also just another commit...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 Oct 2008
Budget Process 2009-10
Item 3 is the most substantive item of the morning. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning. The committee will take evidence on the Scottish Government's budget for education and lifelong learning.Ms Hyslop is joined by ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
We return to the second item on our agenda, which is continued consideration of the Scottish Government's draft budget. The committee has been joined by Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning; Colin MacLean, director of schools; Andrew Scott, d...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
18 Jun 2008
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning. I open the 17th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee this year. I remind all those who are present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off. Agenda item 1 is consideration of the draft Charity Test (Specified Bodies) ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Mar 2008
Curriculum for Excellence
I want to ask about vocational education, which we have skirted round in some answers. Although the OECD report highlighted some positive vocational education experiences in North Lanarkshire, it strikes me that young people and parents face real challenges in seeing vocationa...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
04 Mar 2009
Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill: <br />Stage 1
It is fair to say that almost everyone agrees that the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill is needed. It is probably also fair to say that almost everyone agreed with the general principles of the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) A...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Nov 2007
Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Item 2 is stage 1 of the Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill. This is our final oral evidence-taking session at stage 1.I welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, Fiona Hyslop. She is joined by Stephen Kerr, who is head of the higher educatio...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Dec 2008
Subordinate Legislation
Under agenda item 2, we have an opportunity to take oral evidence on the draft Fundable Bodies (Scotland) Order 2008. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, to the committee. She is joined by Andrew Scott, the director ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Feb 2010
Education and Children's Services(Local Authority Funding)
I reconvene this meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee and welcome our second panel of witnesses, who are from Audit Scotland. We are joined by Caroline Gardner, the Deputy Auditor General for Scotland and controller of audit; Graeme Greenhill, the ...
Karen Whitefield: Lab Chamber
24 Apr 2008
International Education
I mean that we are an internationalist party and that, when we were in government, we delivered on that aspiration in all that we did.The previous Government promoted internationalist values, introducing numerous initiatives to promote international education in Scotland's sch...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
20 Dec 2007
Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in the stage 1 debate on the Government's Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill. I thank all the witnesses who provided the committee with written and oral evidence an...
The Convener: Lab Committee
26 Sep 2007
Scottish Government's Skills Strategy
I welcome to the committee Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, whom I thank for waiting to appear before us. She is joined by Rosemary Winter-Scott, the head of the employability and skills division, and by Peter Beaumont, a skills and staf...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
21 Nov 2007
Budget Process 2008-09
I welcome members to the 10th meeting in this session of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. We are joined by Richard Baker, who is the substitute for Ken Macintosh. I am sure that all members will want to congratulate Ken and Claire on the birth of their b...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
19 Dec 2007
Petition
I welcome members and visitors to the 14th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in this parliamentary session. This is, of course, our final meeting before the Christmas recess.The first item on the agenda is consideration of PE1046 from the Educat...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
05 Nov 2008
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning. I open the 26th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee and remind all those who are present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.I welcome to the committee Hugh O'Donnell, who is subs...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
17 Dec 2008
Teacher Employment Working Group (Report)
Good morning. I open the 31st meeting in 2008 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. Agenda item 1 is consideration of the report of the teacher employment working group. I am pleased to welcome Fiona Hyslop MSP, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Life...
The Convener: Lab Committee
11 Mar 2009
Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill
I reconvene the meeting. The second item on the agenda is an evidence-taking session on a legislative consent motion on the UK Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill.I am pleased to welcome to the meeting Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifel...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Jun 2009
Subordinate Legislation
I was going to raise a similar point to the one that was raised by Mr Macintosh. Mr Gibson is right to say that the committee has considered this issue, and I think that we were unanimous in agreeing that it was correct to extend the right to free school lunches to children wh...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
08 Sep 2009
Subordinate Legislation
I open the 22nd meeting in 2009 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee.We have received apologies from Kenny Gibson, who is unable to join us; he has been replaced by Andrew Welsh, whom I welcome as his substitute. I understand that Liz Smith will join us in...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
30 Sep 2009
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I open this 26th meeting in 2009 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I welcome Alasdair Allan, who has joined us for our consideration of the Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill. I remind all those present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be ...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
11 Nov 2009
School Class Sizes
Good morning, everyone. I open the 30th meeting in 2009 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I have apologies from Liz Smith, and I welcome Ted Brocklebank as her substitute. We have also been joined by Des McNulty. I understand that the deputy convener, ...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab) Lab Chamber
16 Jun 2010
Children’s Hearings (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in support of the Children’s Hearings (Scotland) Bill.It is often said that many other countries look on our children’s hearings system with envy and that it is the jewel in ...
The Convener Lab Committee
09 Mar 2011
Subordinate Legislation
That concludes questions to the minister and our evidence taking on the instruments.We move to agenda item 3, which is formal consideration of two affirmative instruments, the draft Fundable Bodies (University of the Highlands and Islands) Order 2011 and the draft Fundable Bod...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
04 Jun 2008
Subordinate Legislation
I open the 15th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in 2008. I welcome all members and visitors to the committee and remind everyone present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off.Agenda item 1 is consideration of subordinate le...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
11 Feb 2009
Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education Reports
Good morning. This is the fifth meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in 2009. I remind everyone present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.The first item on the agenda is evidence taking from H...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
25 Nov 2009
Autism in Education
Good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in 2009. I remind everyone present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.We have received apologies from Margaret Smith, w...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Jun 2007
Work Programme
I am delighted to welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning, Fiona Hyslop. She is joined by Liz Lewis, director of the schools directorate, Colin MacLean, director of the children, young people and social care directorate, and Mark Batho, director of th...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
07 Nov 2007
Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Welcome to the eighth meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in this session of the Parliament. Agenda item 1 is an oral evidence session as part of our stage 1 consideration of the Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Bill. We will hear from two ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Dec 2007
Budget Process 2008-09
I welcome our second panel of witnesses for our consideration of the Scottish Government's budget. I am pleased that we have been joined by Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning; Colin MacLean, the director of the Government's children, young ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
21 Nov 2007
Subordinate Legislation
Here is the list. These are the instruments that the regulations amend: the Education (Fees and Awards) (Scotland) Regulations 2007; the Students' Allowances (Scotland) Regulations 2007; the Education Maintenance Allowances (Scotland) Regulations 2007; the Graduate Endowment (...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Feb 2008
Curriculum for Excellence
The recently published Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development report on education in Scotland highlighted the importance of vocational education. You probably agree that our children and young people's experience of vocational education is patchy and depends on...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
03 Dec 2009
Education
I begin by congratulating Mike Russell on his promotion. The new cabinet secretary faces a great challenge to deliver an education system that meets the needs and aspirations of our children and young people, not forgetting adult learners. I look forward to Mr Russell's regula...
The Convener: Lab Committee
05 Sep 2007
Budget Process 2008-09
It will no doubt be a challenge for us to find somebody, because there is a small pool and several other subject committees will also be looking for advisers.A standard spec has been used. I appreciate your suggestion and see no difficulty in altering it. The challenge for the...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
05 Dec 2007
Budget Process 2008-09
Good morning. I welcome members to the 12th meeting in this session of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I remind everyone that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off. I welcome Richard Baker, who is again substituting for Ken Macintosh.Agen...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Feb 2008
Curriculum for Excellence
What discussions are you having with the business community and the private sector? A reason why North Lanarkshire Council has successfully addressed vocational education is its determination to implement fully the determined to succeed strategy and enterprise education. The C...
The Convener: Lab Committee
27 Feb 2008
Proposed Subordinate Legislation
The second and final item on our agenda is consideration of correspondence from the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning and the Minister for Community Safety on the charitable status of Scotland's colleges.Committee members will see from the correspondence th...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
05 Mar 2008
Curriculum for Excellence
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee's sixth meeting in 2008.Under agenda item 1, to inform our future work programme, we will take further evidence on the curriculum for excellence from two panels of witnesses. I am please...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
23 Apr 2008
School Estate
Good morning and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2008 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. The first agenda item is the committee's continuing consideration of the school estate. Our first panel of the morning will cover architecture and design issues. I ...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
14 May 2008
Subordinate Legislation
I open the 12th meeting in 2008 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. We have received apologies from Jeremy Purvis, who is unable to attend. I understand that it is likely that Iain Smith, Malcolm Chisholm and Ted Brocklebank will join us when we take evi...
The Convener: Lab Committee
02 Sep 2008
Subordinate Legislation
We move on to the substantive part of today's agenda, which is subordinate legislation. Our first item is the Individual Learning Account (Scotland) Amendment (No 2) Regulations 2008 (SSI 2008/204). At this point, I am pleased to welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Education and...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
10 Dec 2008
Education<br />(Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning. I open the 30th meeting in 2008 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I remind all those present that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.We have received apologies from Kenny Gibson, who is un...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
25 Mar 2009
Education<br />(Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I open the 10th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee and remind everyone present that BlackBerrys and mobile phones should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.The first and only item on the agenda is the committee's consideration of the...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
20 May 2009
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I open the 15th meeting of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in 2009 and remind everyone that mobile phones and BlackBerrys should be switched off for the duration of the meeting.The first item on the agenda is the committee's continuing consideration at s...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
19 Mar 2008
Curriculum for Excellence
I am pleased to take part in this afternoon's debate, in which I am sure there will be a large degree of consensus. However, I hope that members will take the opportunity to raise their legitimate concerns about the implementation of the curriculum for excellence.It has been b...
Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2008
Scottish Broadcasting Commission
I thank the members of the Scottish Broadcasting Commission for the hard work and commitment that they put into the report that we are debating. They acted with independence—with a small i—in considering a matter that could have been politically highly contentious. I am convin...
The Convener: Lab Committee
28 Oct 2009
Draft Budget Scrutiny 2010-11
I think that that line of questioning reflects the frustration that the committee sometimes feels: we are not able effectively to monitor the implementation of policies for which you have overall responsibility, although I appreciate the fact that some of it is the responsibil...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield) Lab Committee
26 Jan 2011
Review of Teacher Education in Scotland
Good morning. I open the third meeting in 2011 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. I remind all those present that mobile phones and other electronic devices should be switched off for the duration of the meeting. We have received no apologies, so I am s...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
05 Sep 2007
Subordinate Legislation
Good morning, everyone. I open the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee's first meeting following the summer recess. I hope that all committee members had a good summer and have returned refreshed and ready for an interesting time on the committee.The first agend...
The Convener: Lab Committee
23 Jan 2008
Education and Skills Bill
The second item on our agenda is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum relating to the United Kingdom Government's Education and Skills Bill. We will take evidence on the LCM from the Scottish Government. I welcome to the committee Maureen Watt, Minister for School...
The Convener (Karen Whitefield): Lab Committee
28 May 2008
Petition
I welcome members to the 14th meeting in 2008 of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee. The first agenda item is consideration of petition PE1046, from the Educational Institute of Scotland, on class sizes. I am delighted to welcome Murdo Maciver, the convener...
The Convener: Lab Committee
25 Jun 2008
Petition
Councillor Isabel Hutton, who is COSLA’s education spokesperson, told the committee: "We have not agreed in the concordat to reduce … P1 to P3 class sizes".—Official Report, Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee, 5 December 2007; c 413.The previous Government put ...
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Chamber

Plenary, 02 Sep 2009

02 Sep 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak on behalf of the Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee in the stage 1 debate on the Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Bill.

Before commenting on the stage 1 report, I thank those who helped the committee to scrutinise the bill so effectively. In particular, I thank those who gave written and oral evidence to the committee. We considered an impressive range of evidence, including more than 60 written submissions, and we took oral evidence on the bill in the course of five meetings.

I thank the bill team, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning and my fellow committee members for their work on preparing our report. As always, the committee is grateful to the clerks for their hard work and commitment, and our thanks go to the Scottish Parliament information centre for its briefings and expertise. Finally, I thank the Subordinate Legislation Committee and the Finance Committee for their reports on the bill.

From the outset, let me say that the committee is supportive of the general principles of the bill. Every child has the right to a high-quality education, and there are few things more important than ensuring that every child in every community can go to a good local school. In our consideration of the bill, the needs of children and their families should be at the heart of our policy, and services for children and their families should be at the heart of our communities.

Closing schools is never an easy decision for a local council, and the committee believes that the motivation of the bill is to enshrine best practice and to make the process as transparent and accessible as possible for all those who are affected by changes. The bill will not mean that no school will ever be closed in the future, but it is anticipated that it will ensure that the decision-making process will have been open, transparent and inclusive, guaranteeing that the decision is in the best interests of the children, staff and community affected. In that respect, the committee welcomes the bill, in particular the plans to ensure that the consultation process is made fairer, more open and more inclusive.

I especially welcome the plans to ensure that pupils as well as parents have a role to play in the process. I echo the evidence that was submitted by Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People, which the minister highlighted in her speech. I note her commitment to ensure that young people will be part of the consultation process—after all, they will be affected by it.

As everyone here will be aware, article 12 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child gives children the right to be heard and to have their views taken into account. The committee therefore welcomes the cabinet secretary's assurance that she will consult Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People on the best way to involve children and pupils in the process in a meaningful way and one that does not cause them undue distress or concern.

The committee accepts the view that rural schools require special provisions. Schools should be at the centre of community life—that can be as true for urban schools as it is for rural schools—but some rural schools might be the only facility in the community or in the whole area for some considerable distance. Many rural schools make an invaluable contribution to their local area, and every attempt should be made to preserve access to a local school for rural communities.

In a situation where closure is being considered by a local council, the bill will, we hope, ensure that closure is possible only when the case is a strong one, when it is in the interests of educational provision in the local area and when all local stakeholders have been consulted and involved in the process.

Following its consideration of the bill and of the oral and written evidence, the committee has three main areas in which, we believe, further thought and consideration would be helpful before the commencement of stage 2. The first issue concerns the role of HMIE. Section 8 will require HMIE to consider the educational aspects of every education authority proposal to close a school or to make other relevant changes to the school estate. In evidence, representatives of many local authorities felt that the proposal lacked clarity. Some of them expressed concern about whether HMIE has the required resources and about a perceived potential conflict of interest regarding HMIE's role as both a consultee and an adviser. For example, Clackmannanshire Council stated:

"we remain concerned about the prominence which HMIE is given in the process described in the Bill."

That view was echoed by the Educational Institute of Scotland, which said:

"As the HMIE is an ‘executive agency of the Scottish Ministers' this may lead to at least a perceived conflict of interest if the closure proposal were to be subject to a subsequent call in notice by the ‘Scottish Ministers.'"

The committee welcomes the involvement of HMIE in the consultation process, but we think that the Government must examine those concerns fully before stage 2.

The second of the committee's concerns relates to the three factors that local authorities must consider when making proposals that will affect rural schools—I know that the cabinet secretary is considering the matter fully. The bill will require education authorities to consider:

"(a) any viable alternative to the closure proposal,

(b) the likely effect on the local community in consequence of the proposal (if implemented),

(c) the likely effect caused by any different travelling arrangements that may be required in consequence of the proposal (if implemented)."

The committee accepts that rural schools require special consideration, but those three factors could apply to all schools. During one of the committee's evidence-taking meetings, the Association of Scottish Community Councils told us:

"the three criteria should not be used specifically for rural schools".—[Official Report, Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee, 13 May 2009; c 2365.]

The Educational Institute of Scotland expressed concern that local authorities that have rural and non-rural schools

"may be required to treat the closure of two schools within its area in two different ways."

There is no doubt that rural schools face specific challenges, but schools in urban areas often face specific challenges, too. Professor Kay told the committee:

"Many issues that pertain to rural areas impact on urban schools."—[Official Report, Education, Lifelong Learning and Culture Committee, 6 May 2009; c 2319.]

Therefore, although the committee accepts that additional factors need to be considered when the closure of a rural school is proposed, we heard evidence that the three additional factors could apply to all schools. The committee asks that the Government keep the matter under active consideration.

I move on to consider the committee's third area of concern. The majority of respondents who provided evidence agreed with the view that the current system of automatic referral to the Scottish ministers is no longer appropriate, as the cabinet secretary said. The committee shares that view, but the new system must be clear and transparent, and the committee is concerned that the Government's proposed ministerial call-in process could create confusion. We are particularly concerned about the Government's definition of a "material consideration". Although the cabinet secretary discussed the matter with the committee during stage 1, further clarification before stage 2 would be helpful.

The vast majority of written and oral evidence that the committee received was supportive of the general principles of the bill. The committee asks that the Scottish Government continue to consider fully the recommendations in our report. I am pleased that the cabinet secretary has proactively followed up on many recommendations, and I hope that that constructive working relationship will continue as we progress to stage 2. I am pleased to be able to recommend that the Parliament support the general principles of the bill.

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The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Fiona Hyslop): SNP
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Malcolm Chisholm (Edinburgh North and Leith) (Lab): Lab
Is the cabinet secretary willing to urge local authorities that are undertaking school closure exercises, such as the City of Edinburgh Council, to follow th...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
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Karen Whitefield (Airdrie and Shotts) (Lab): Lab
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Fiona Hyslop: SNP
Will the member give way?
Ken Macintosh: Lab
Yes.
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
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Ken Macintosh: Lab
I think that there is still some anxiety about whether ministers should have a call-in at all, but I recognise that that is an improvement on the current pro...
Elizabeth Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I apologise on behalf of my colleague Murdo Fraser, who is absent from the debate because his wife Emma has just given birth to their second child, Lucy Eliz...
Margaret Smith (Edinburgh West) (LD): LD
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Margaret Smith: LD
I understand what the cabinet secretary is saying, but I think that there is a potential lack of clarity in the way in which those three criteria are set out...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP): SNP
I am pleased to speak in this afternoon's debate as we consider the general principles of the bill. However, as I am a Glasgow MSP, members would expect me t...
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Given that the SNP's manifesto commitment—which I suspect members are only too keen to see us fulfil—specifically mentioned rural schools, it is only right t...
Fiona Hyslop: SNP
The member made an interesting argument about calling it an educational analysis statement as opposed to an educational benefits statement. That cuts to the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer: SNP
Mr Doris, you should keep an eye on the time.
Bob Doris: SNP
Of course. I thank the cabinet secretary for her helpful clarification.I conclude by saying that I am delighted with the core change to allow call-in by the ...