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Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
15 Jan 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Members are sometimes surprised by how relevant the topic at time for reflection is to the debate that follows. Today's time for reflection was certainly relevant to the debate that we will have as we consider some of the most marginalised members of our communities among our ...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
25 Sep 2002
Proposed Commissioner for Children and Young People Bill
Scott Barrie is absolutely right. At Stanmore House School, which is a national school to which children go from all over Scotland, staff clearly identified that problem. They also said that, even when a good future needs assessment has been made and all the correct things put...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
The words good and Tory are not ones that I would naturally put together, but let us move on.Sir Walter Scott stated:"Children know—instinctive taught, the friend or foe".What our bill will do is to create a friend—a powerful friend—for all of Scotland's children and young peo...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
It is obvious that amendments 8 and 9 are aimed at encouraging the commissioner to work with others to minimise duplication and overlap. Neither amendment is necessary, as neither brings anything new to the bill. Beginning on a mischievous note, I suggest that we refer to amen...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The minister expressed her concern that the criteria for investigations would prevent meaningful investigations, but I do not think that that is the case. I will explain the background to the provisions in the hope of assuaging some concerns, and I will place reassurances on t...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 Sep 2002
Proposed Commissioner for Children and Young People Bill
Time for reflection is often relevant to the coming debate. Today's time for reflection was about celebrating differences and ensuring that everyone realises their full potential, which relates to the children's commissioner. It is my honour and privilege to present to the Par...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 7 aims to widen the definition of service provider to include any service that affects children and young people. I understand the reasoning behind it, but it would reduce the focus on services that most affect children and young people. Section 7 grants the commissi...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have difficulty in understanding how the cases that Donald Gorrie has outlined would fall under the remit of the commissioner. They would probably come under the remit of other agencies that inspect houses in multiple occupation and children's homes. Inspection of such premi...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The Education, Culture and Sport Committee has been keen to involve children in our processes. We have sought to do so in a meaningful rather than tokenistic way, which I hope we have achieved.The aim of amendment 4 is to ensure that the Parliament further involves children an...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
16 Mar 2005
Standing Orders (Commissioner for Public Appointments)
The motion that is before us today invites Parliament to note the recent report by the Procedures Committee, which recommends new parliamentary procedures for dealing with statutory consultation documents and reports of non-compliance that are received from the commissioner fo...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Section 6(1) places the commissioner under a general duty to encourage the involvement of children and young people in all his or her work. That is intended to ensure that the work is informed by the views of children and young people. The committee derived the approach from o...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I understand the concerns that the member has, particularly in relation to the commissioner having the potential to usurp the supremacy of the Parliament.I reassure the member that we have put several checks and balances in place to prevent that from happening. In particular, ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 May 2001
Children's Commissioner
Item 3 on the agenda is an update on the children's commissioner inquiry. We have appointed Alison Clelland as reporter. She is likely to begin her work about July 2001, when we have completed our initial investigations with the one-day seminar and the film.On 14 May, I visite...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
12 Feb 2004
Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland
It seems a very long time ago that the then Minister for Children and Education, Sam Galbraith, asked the Education, Culture and Sport Committee to consider whether Scotland required the appointment of a children's commissioner. Scott Barrie said rightly that I was one of the ...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 1 would restrict the protection from actions of defamation that is afforded to the commissioner and staff. At present, section 15 gives the commissioner and staff absolute protection from actions of defamation in relation to any statement that is made by them for any...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
That campaign was to try to improve the take up and use of the children's panels. The figures are for 2002 so the campaign is on-going.The commissioner would require a high initial budget in order to generate widespread awareness of his or her existence and functions among chi...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Work Programme
Item 3 is the committee's work programme for the next year. As members know, we had a useful two days last week discussing the work programme with various experts and ministers.I highlight one piece of work that is on the agenda—the issue of a children's commissioner. Members ...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendments 2 and 3 would bring the provisions for the accountable officer into line with certain other acts that have been passed by the Parliament. Paragraph 10 of schedule 1 to the bill provides for the appointment of an accountable officer, who will sign accounts of expendi...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
I welcome the opportunity to address the committee this morning, and to answer any questions members might have. It might be helpful to outline how the main costs of the bill arise, and the overall implications for the Parliament.The financial memorandum to the bill sets out f...
The Convener: Lab Committee
02 Oct 2001
Civic Participation Funding Bids
I will pick up the points that have been made. Brian Monteith is right about the third paragraph on page 1 of the clerk's note. I do not think that we can be so prescriptive. We have not yet taken a view on whether there should be a children's commissioner. It emerged from the...
The Convener: Lab Committee
03 Apr 2001
Children's Commissioner
Agenda item 3 is an update on the children's commissioner inquiry. This morning, along with my colleague Frank McAveety, I heard the views of young people in Glasgow on the idea of a children's commissioner. Their views will feed into the information-gathering process. The Eve...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
06 Sep 2005
Autistic Spectrum Disorder
I draw members' attention to my entry in the register of members' interests with regard to the Clydesdale autism support group.I thank the 54 MSPs who have signed the motion, particularly those who have been able to stay this evening and take part in the debate. I also thank t...
The Convener: Lab Committee
01 May 2001
Children's Commissioner
We move to item 4 on the agenda. Members have received an e-mail confirming that we have decided not to hold the event that was scheduled for Monday 4 June on that date, as members' diaries could not be committed that week. Because of the nature of the event, attendance by a m...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 May 2001
Special Educational Needs
I join my colleagues on the committee in thanking former committee members, our clerks and our adviser, Julie Allan, for the support and help that they have given us in drawing together the report. I also want to thank Sam Galbraith, who was the Minister for Children and Educa...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
20 Nov 2002
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The pregnant pause before I started my speech will take up a few seconds of my seven minutes.I welcome the bill and support its general principles. On behalf of the Education, Culture and Sport Committee, I welcome the close working relationship that the committee has had with...
The Convener: Lab Committee
06 Feb 2001
Children's Commissioner
Item 4 on the agenda is on the issue of a children's commissioner. As I indicated last week, I have received correspondence on this from Save the Children. The committee has had much correspondence with Sam Galbraith, in his former capacity as Minister for Children and Educati...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Some people outside the Parliament have suggested that the provision makes the bill much more open ended. I want to make it clear for the Official Report what the intention of the bill is, to avoid confusion and the need for clarification in the future. As I have said, section...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
We will do that.In reply to Richard Simpson's second question, I refer him to section 7 of the bill, which states in relation to the work of the commissioner that"the investigation would not duplicate work that is properly the function of another person."We took a considerable...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
I have a suggestion for the layout of the paper. The idea that children and young people should be involved in the selection process for the commissioner should come first rather than second. If we are serious about that idea, it should be put right at the top. I was once inte...
The Convener: Lab Committee
29 May 2001
Children's Commissioner
As I understand it, the evidence-taking session in Wales ran as the pre-legislative scrutiny, so that work did not have to be replicated. Because people in Wales were involved and knew that a commissioner was planned, they were able to work in that way. We have not said, "Yes,...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Committee
27 Sep 2005
Crown Appointees
Forgive me for missing the beginning of the discussion—I may have missed this point. My preferred option would be for the SPCB to conduct an interview alongside the administrative reappointment process, which would allow for the kind of circumstances that Alex Johnstone outlin...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
That is a key question to ask those from whom we will seek evidence. The choice is between a children's commissioner, a children and young persons' commissioner and a young persons' commissioner. Those titles will mean different things to different people. The age range of the...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
I understand that all such office costs are included under the rental costs heading. We can give the committee more detail, if it would like. Rent will make up a fifth of the costs; the associated costs will make up the rest.Although advice on sharing resources would be availa...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
07 Mar 2001
Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I also declare an interest, as a member of Unison and, if Mary Scanlon has her way, probably also as a member of Slimming World.The Education, Culture and Sport Committee took evidence from a wide range of agencies involved in the care of children and young people, in early-ye...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
08 Feb 2006
Crown Appointees
I fail to see why this is so difficult. I was responsible for taking the Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill through the Parliament. The children's commissioner has a clear remit, against which I think that she could be independently assessed. She would ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
It would be useful for us to see that information.A Scottish public sector ombudsman bill is to be introduced. It would be worth seeking clarification from the Executive on whether there will be an individual who will be responsible for ensuring that children are able to acces...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
25 Sep 2002
Proposed Commissioner for Children and Young People Bill
Obviously, we cannot depend solely on a personality, but the person's ability to engage and work with young people will be the key factor. Members will notice in the report that we have ruled MSPs out of the job until two years after they have ceased to be a member of Parliame...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Committee
20 Sep 2006
Scottish Commissioner for Human Rights Bill: Stage 2
I apologise if I ask questions that might be elementary, but I have come to consideration of the bill somewhat late, unlike many round the table.The starting point for me is what we believe the Parliament agreed to at stage 1. My understanding is that the Parliament agreed to ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
10 Sep 2002
Work in Progress
Revised agenda item 2 is an update on work on progress.I want to update members on the children's commissioner bill. It is our intention to have a briefing tomorrow on what progress has been made to date on the bill. A series of interested organisations will attend the briefin...
The Convener (Karen Gillon): Lab Committee
11 Feb 2003
Children's Commissioners (Seminar)
I remind members to ensure that all mobile telephones and pagers are switched off. Members have the clerk's note on an invitation that I have received to attend a joint seminar on children's commissioners with the UK Parliament's all-party parliamentary group on children. The ...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 5 is directed at clarifying that a resolution of the Parliament would be required in appointing a commissioner to a second term of office. I welcome the opportunity to clarify that that is what would happen. The amendment is unnecessary because reappointment is alrea...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
Yes—who would the commissioner be, what would he or she be like, and what would he or she do? It all ties in with asking children and young people about the work of the commissioner.
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
We have not set a single office cost; there is a budget for office costs. That does not necessarily relate to one office; there could be more than one office. We have deliberately not prescribed where the commissioner should have his office or offices. The committee felt that ...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
15 Jan 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Does Fiona McLeod accept that we have created a new public services ombudsman and that the Parliament should say to the ombudsman from the outset that they must take seriously complaints from children and young people and do so effectively? It would be absolutely wrong for the...
The Convener: Lab Committee
26 Nov 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
The bill on the commissioner for children and young people will be introduced on 4 December and published on 5 December. On that basis, I suggested that the committee hold a press launch in Edinburgh on the morning of 5 December, and we are exploring the ways in which that cou...
The Convener: Lab Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
When we enter into discussions with children and young people, it is most important to be honest with them. Far too often, people have unrealistic expectations of what children can and cannot do. Children then become disillusioned and disenfranchised because they have been mad...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
11 Sep 2003
Asylum Seekers
No. Tommy Sheridan will have his chance soon.Further, if this is such a horrible place, why would Labour at Westminster have joined the UNHCR refugee resettlement programme that will bring 500 refugees from West Africa to live in the UK in the next year?I agree that we must su...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
The figure of £490,000 for salary costs for the commissioner's staff that is quoted in paragraph 97 is approximate. The figure of about 30 per cent has been rounded up and encompasses national insurance and pension contributions, including those for the commissioner. The actua...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
I will take you through that, Brian. On your point about the memorandum's first paragraph, I am advised that a standard form of wording is used in such instances. In the initial transitional period there will be Executive funding, then the money will be transferred to the Scot...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
We discussed that there would be one office base, wherever that may be, but that does not mean to say that there are not sub offices. That is similar to what has happened with the care commission. The commissioner could use joint premises with other organisations such as local...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
17 Dec 2002
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
No. I cannot determine what the Parliament will deem as necessary in future or what the commissioner will ask the Parliament to provide funding for. It will be for the Parliament to make a decision on the budgets. Future developments might mean that more or less money is neces...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
25 Oct 2005
Crown Appointees
We must be clear about what we think exceptional circumstances are. If somebody was working out their notice and was going to another job, why would they want to be reappointed for six months to cover for somebody who did not take up the job? If I were the commissioner for chi...
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will clarify the matter for the member as best I can. I would not want someone to pursue a spurious legal case for the sake of usurping the role of the commissioner either, but it would be inconceivable for the Parliament to pass a bill that would undermine the legal process...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I welcome the opportunity to continue to examine this issue and to consider how to make improvements.I will begin by reference to a person I know. Sarah came to live with her foster carers at the age of 12. By the time that she was placed, she had been in residential care with...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 Jun 2009
Mary's Meals
I, too, congratulate Margaret Curran on securing this important debate. I also welcome and congratulate everybody in the gallery who has been involved in such an important project and has contributed to the success of Mary's Meals.Margaret Curran gave us the history of Mary's ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
02 Oct 2001
Civic Participation Funding Bids
We move on to the civic participation initiative on the children's commissioner youth participation event. Members will remember that one of the key elements in the children's commissioner inquiry was the involvement of children and young people. Members have in front of them ...
The Convener: Lab Committee
04 Dec 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
We welcome your initial comments. It has been suggested to us that one of the most important functions of a children's commissioner would be to allow children and young people to express views and raise concerns about law and policy in Scotland. Would that assist the Executive?
Karen Gillon: Lab Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Section 7 provides the commissioner with power to"carry out an investigation into whether, by what means and to what extent, a service provider has regard to the rights, interests and views of children and young people in making decisions or taking actions that affect those ch...
The Convener: Lab Committee
06 Feb 2001
Children's Commissioner
I suggest that we post an invitation to organisations to submit evidence on the issues as outlined by the Scottish Parliament information centre. Clearly, we will wish to contact some organisations directly, including the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, Who Cares? Sc...
Karen Gillon: Lab Committee
14 Jun 2000
Models of Investigation
If someone has failed to register an interest and a complaint is referred to the committee, I do not have a problem with the commissioner at the same time recommending that the member register the interest. That is appropriate and would save subsequent complaints about somethi...
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Plenary, 15 Jan 2003

15 Jan 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Members are sometimes surprised by how relevant the topic at time for reflection is to the debate that follows. Today's time for reflection was certainly relevant to the debate that we will have as we consider some of the most marginalised members of our communities among our children and young people.

I am delighted to introduce a committee bill that seeks to establish a commissioner for children and young people. The bill represents the culmination of extensive consultation with organisations, children and young people and I am delighted that some of those children and young people—from the MacRobert youth centre in Stirling, from Northfield Academy in Aberdeen, from Oban, from Morgan Academy in Dundee and from South Lanarkshire youth council—are in the public gallery. When I came into the chamber, I also noticed one or two other people who have come along on their own steam—some of them gave us quite a hard time and made their views clear at the event that we held in the chamber.

In particular, I thank committee reporters Jackie Baillie and Irene McGugan, who have worked on the detail of the bill, and all committee members and clerks past and present for their commitment and hard work in making the bill a reality. On behalf of the committee, I also thank all those in the non-Executive bills unit who put in an inordinate amount of work to ensure that the bill reached this stage.

The ability of committees to initiate legislation sets the Scottish Parliament apart from many other Parliaments. The bill is unanimously supported by members of the Education, Culture and Sport Committee and is an excellent example of the effectiveness of the committee system in delivering bills. It has shown what can be achieved by committees and the Executive working together to bring forward bills.

In 1989, children's rights were recognised internationally in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, from which children's commissioners the world over have taken their inspiration. I pay tribute to the voluntary organisations that have campaigned for years for a children's commissioner to be established in Scotland. A children's commissioner was established in Wales in 2000, there is a bill for a commissioner in Northern Ireland and at least 18 other countries worldwide have a children's commissioner. If the bill survives parliamentary scrutiny, there will be a Scottish commissioner for children and young people by this time next year.

The bill's key proposal is the establishment of a commissioner for children and young people, whose general function will be to promote and safeguard the rights of children and young people. The bill gives children's rights the attention that they deserve. It will establish a commissioner whose sole interest is the rights of children and young people. The commissioner will have a remit that covers all—not just some—children in Scotland. Many existing organisations do a fantastic job in relation to children's issues and the Executive has delivered many initiatives to ensure that all children and young people get the best possible start in life, but there is no one who can take an independent view over the whole range of issues that affect children and young people in Scotland. The commissioner will be able to do so. That will be the unique value of the post that we seek to establish through the bill.

Of course, the commissioner will need to prioritise issues on which he or she will focus. It is not for the Parliament to prescribe which issues should be considered a priority. The commissioner should be free to take up issues that he or she sees as the most important. However, we would expect a focus on where there is greatest need—that is, on children and young people who are particularly vulnerable. That said, within the broad framework of fulfilling his or her functions, it will be up to the commissioner to decide which issues to tackle and to justify those decisions.

I will go through some of the main proposals in the bill. The appointment will be made by the Queen on nomination by the Parliament. In the worst-case scenario, removal will also be by the Queen, following a resolution of the Parliament. Of course, the commissioner can resign if he or she wishes to do so.

The maximum period for which anyone will be able to serve as a commissioner will be two five-year terms. We expect the appointment to be a full-time appointment and that the terms of appointment will prevent the commissioner from holding a post that might create a conflict of interests—for example, they could not become a member of the Scottish Parliament. We fully expect that the appointment procedure will adhere as far as possible to the Nolan principles and that no one who has been an MSP, a member of Parliament or a member of the European Parliament in the previous year will be eligible for appointment. As an outgoing committee, we strongly recommend that any future committee with responsibility for education reviews the commissioner's progress at least annually.

The commissioner will cover all young people in Scotland up to the age of 18 and those up to the age of 21 who have been looked after by an authority. That reflects the age range covered by the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child while recognising the particular vulnerability of those who have been in the care system.

The bill will give the commissioner a number of functions including: to promote the rights of children and young people; to review law, policy and practice; to promote best practice by service providers; to undertake research; and to conduct investigations. Through those functions, the commissioner will encourage everyone in Scotland—including children and young people themselves, service providers, parents, the Executive and the Parliament—to find out about and take account of the rights of children and young people. In other words, the commissioner will take a mainstreaming approach.

That will not be an easy task and, with such a wide remit, it is important that the commissioner's role should be to encourage change rather than to try to impose it. The commissioner is set up to be a persuasive voice—a children's champion—but he or she is not intended to be an alternative to the courts. There is no role in appeals or indeed in individual cases. Moreover, the commissioner's role is not an alternative to the duty of MSPs to represent their constituents. Instead, the commissioner can endeavour to ensure that existing bodies work better for children and young people.

During the consultation process, one of the most contentious issues was the carrying out of investigations. Although we fully expect that that will be only a small part of the commissioner's work, it is in relation to investigations that the bill provides the strongest powers. The commissioner can consider the extent to which a service provider has taken account of rights, interests and views in any action or decision concerning children and young people. However, the commissioner cannot, in an investigation, duplicate the proper function of another organisation or investigate a case that concerns only an individual child.

The bill provides similar powers to those that are available to parliamentary committees in inquiries, notably the power to require the production of documents and the attendance of witnesses. The outcome of an investigation will be a report to the Parliament. There are no statutory sanctions attached to the outcome of investigations. However, other sanctions are available. There is the powerful sanction of publicity and there is the ability to raise issues with the Parliament. We expect the commissioner to make good use of both those.

The commissioner might, after a couple of years of experience, want to take the opportunity to comment on whether the powers provided have proven adequate. That comment could perhaps be presented to Parliament in the annual report. We do not consider that there is any need to make statutory provision for a review of powers. If a review is needed, I am certain that the commissioner will undertake one and prepare a report for the Parliament's consideration.

The commissioner's functions set out a framework for action rather than prescribing the detail of everything that the commissioner will do. Much of the day-to-day detail will need to be filled in by the commissioner once he or she is in post. We feel that that is appropriate. Once the Parliament has laid down the broad principles, the commissioner will be best placed to develop the detailed implementation.

However, the bill gives direction to how those working methods must be developed. The commissioner is required to have regard to the relevant provisions of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. In particular, in accordance with key principles of the convention, the commissioner must listen to children's views and consider their best interests. In addition, and reflecting the mainstreaming approach of the bill, the commissioner must encourage others to act according to those principles.

Taking inspiration from article 12 of the convention, the commissioner will be under a duty to involve children in his or her work. The bill therefore ensures that the commissioner's work will be informed by children and young people. In order to achieve that, the commissioner will have to be accessible and will have to be out and about. We cannot prescribe how that will happen. We live in a society in which the media of communication change quickly. However, the commissioner must ensure that he or she speaks to and involves young people and that he or she works in partnership with other organisations.

The most important point relates to the independence of the commissioner, which is crucial to the post. The commissioner will be independent of the Executive, political parties, statutory bodies and the Parliament. On occasion, the commissioner might be critical of the Scottish Parliament. We should not be afraid of that and we should respect the commissioner's right to be so. We are getting used to criticism.

By supporting the establishment of a commissioner for children and young people, the Parliament will send a message that we are committed to young people and to ensuring the highest regard for their rights. We are creating an office that will make a difference to the lives of children and young people in Scotland. I, for one, would certainly not support the bill if I believed that it provided for another talking shop that would let children and young people down. The post is one with meaning and commitment.

I move,

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
The first of our debates today is a debate on motion S1M-3689, in the name of Karen Gillon, on stage 1 of the Commissioner for Children and Young People (Sco...
Karen Gillon (Clydesdale) (Lab): Lab
Members are sometimes surprised by how relevant the topic at time for reflection is to the debate that follows. Today's time for reflection was certainly rel...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson): Lab
Like Karen Gillon, I welcome in particular the young people who have come to the public gallery to listen to the debate. The debate centres around the best i...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I begin by conveying apologies from Michael Russell, who is, unfortunately, unwell this afternoon. On a happier note, I congratulate Karen Gillon on her comp...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I offer the apologies of my colleague Brian Monteith, who is not able to be with us for the whole of this afternoon's debate. Unfortunately he is attending a...
Ian Jenkins (Tweeddale, Ettrick and Lauderdale) (LD): LD
There is a sense of déjà vu about this debate, because it is not long since committee members talked about the report that established the case for the appoi...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
In the open debate, we have time for two short speeches of three minutes each.
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab): Lab
I add my thanks to the clerks, to NEBU, to my parliamentary colleagues on the Education, Culture and Sport Committee and, in particular, to Irene McGugan. Su...
Donald Gorrie (Central Scotland) (LD): LD
Speaking as a genuine wrinkly—unlike the young ladies on the Labour benches—I have been actively involved in discussing and promoting this subject over the p...
The Presiding Officer: NPA
We now move to closing speeches, which should be of three minutes.
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD): LD
I congratulate Karen Gillon and the Education, Culture and Sport Committee on introducing the bill. In years gone by, I was a member of the committee, but I ...
Ian Jenkins: LD
I take it that Mr Stone is speaking as a smoothie, rather than as a wrinkly.
Mr Stone: LD
As they said in "Beyond the Fringe", Esau was a hairy man, but I am a smooth man.Sorry, Ian Jenkins has thrown me, completely and utterly.Like all the other ...
Mr Brian Monteith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con): Con
I thank the Presiding Officer for allowing me to arrive late for the debate following my attendance at a family funeral. I am pleased to be able to make a co...
Fiona McLeod (West of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I begin by congratulating the committee on the work that it has done. The Parliament should also thank the committee for the work that it has done on the bil...
Karen Gillon: Lab
Does Fiona McLeod accept that we have created a new public services ombudsman and that the Parliament should say to the ombudsman from the outset that they m...
Fiona McLeod: SNP
I am not looking for the commissioner to be the last court of appeal, but having talked about exhausting the process, I hope that there will always be someon...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
I welcome the opportunity to say a few words in closing for the Executive. The debate has been short but useful. All members have given a clear commitment to...
Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab): Lab
I thank all the members who participated in the debate. The response has been positive, even from the wrinklies and the smoothie—wherever he is.The bill prov...