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Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
12 Dec 2002
Children and Young People (Services)
Robert Brown should be aware that redefining poverty does not make the least bit of difference. All those children are in poverty in Scotland today and little has been done to alleviate the situation. It seemed appropriate to focus on youth justice and child protection in the ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
15 Feb 2001
Children's Services
The minister will have noted that the SNP has lodged no amendment to the motion, because we fully endorse all aspects of it and because I truly believe that there should and can be much agreement on children's issues. I am pleased that we are having the debate, even though it ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
25 Sep 2002
Proposed Commissioner for Children and Young People Bill
I suggest that the first line of the proposed bill should read, "There shall be a Scottish commissioner for children and young people". For some folk, this development is only slightly less significant than the establishment of the Parliament.The establishment of the post of c...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
15 Jan 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I begin by conveying apologies from Michael Russell, who is, unfortunately, unwell this afternoon. On a happier note, I congratulate Karen Gillon on her comprehensive introduction to the debate. Not a lot more needs to be said, although perhaps we are still required to say som...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Dec 2002
Children and Young People (Services)
I start with a quotation that is at the heart of the Executive's programme:"Ensuring every young person gets the best possible start in life."I am sure no one in the chamber disagrees with that worthy aspiration. However, we are concerned that too many of Scotland's vulnerable...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
13 Sep 2001
Children (Physical Chastisement)
This has been a good debate which has made it clear that all members are genuinely concerned about the welfare of children. There are differences of opinion, of course, but they are not necessarily of a party-political nature. It is no secret that my views are similar to those...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Nov 2002
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I do not think that I have ever taken part in a debate in which the issues have been articulated so clearly, so often and at such length. The minister can be in no doubt about members' concerns. Further summing up seems to be a bit superfluous.All members' speeches acknowledge...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
04 Apr 2001
Looked-after Children and Adoption Services
This has been a useful debate in which to tease out and explore the many current issues around adoption.On the sections of the Adoption and Children Bill that relate to Scotland, there has been no disagreement on the need to take action. The Kilshaw internet adoption case high...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
24 Feb 2000
Children (Physical Punishment)
Like others, I welcome the fact that we are to have consultation on this issue, followed by legislation. The crucial point is how much or how little Scotland wants to achieve. Where do we draw the line between inhuman, degrading treatment and reasonable chastisement? I sincere...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
09 Jan 2002
Scottish Executive's Priorities
The fact is that after two and a half years of new Labour and Liberal Government here in Scotland—just as after almost five years of new Labour Government in the UK—very little has been delivered. The losers are not just the people of this country, whose trust and support has ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
11 Dec 2002
Mental Health (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In my brief speech, I will focus on the issues that affect children and young people. Many of the concerns that I will describe were raised by children's organisations in evidence and were further debated at a meeting of the cross-party group on children and young people.First...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
09 Jan 2003
Child Protection Review
From the outset, I say that we welcome the review and its recommendations. It can only be good that the issue is being debated and addressed at a national level.However, we have to ensure that this opportunity to tackle the problems in child protection brings about real and la...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
07 Mar 2001
Regulation of Care (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to raise several children's issues that have been identified by the Education, Culture and Sport Committee and by the cross-party group in the Scottish Parliament on children and young people. We welcome the bill's proposals, because children and other vulnerable people...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
04 Apr 2001
Looked-after Children and Adoption Services
I am happy to agree on that. I hope that all those routes will be fully considered in the review of policy and legislation. Two important facts emerge from research and practice over recent years. First, around 50 per cent of children who are now being placed for adoption come...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
24 Apr 2002
UN Children's Summit
It is appropriate at this moment to welcome Ellen Leaver, who is in the gallery tonight, and to wish her very good wishes from all of us in the Scottish Parliament on her mission to New York.The UN special summit will address a global agenda and action plan, but that plan will...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
17 May 2001
Special Educational Needs
I am neither the convener nor the vice-convener of the Education, Culture and Sport Committee, but it is my pleasant duty to introduce this report to the Parliament on the committee's behalf.The committee agreed in November 1999 that one of its earliest inquiries should focus ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
31 Jan 2002
Young Runaways
Like others in the chamber, I am pleased that, as a result of the findings of "Missing Out—Young Runaways in Scotland" and of the debate, some attention is being given to a disturbing situation—it gives serious cause for concern.No one here can be comfortable with facts that c...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
03 Feb 2000
Rights of the Child
As a prospective convener of the proposed cross- party group on children, I welcome this debate on what is now the most ratified piece of human rights legislation in the world. The motion allows us to reflect on progress that has been made towards implementation of the convent...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
28 Mar 2002
Child Witness Reform
I, too, commend Gil Paterson for lodging the motion and I congratulate the children's organisations on the production of the excellent report, "Justice for Children", which addresses long-standing concerns about the experiences of children in the welfare system. Those concerns...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
28 Nov 2002
Domestic Abuse
I will deal with one specific aspect of this issue—the protection of children.For some time it has been known that children are often present or nearby when a woman is abused. According to Bill Butler, that is the case in perhaps 90 per cent of situations. We know that one thi...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
06 Feb 2001
Children's Commissioner
It is very important not just to have the matter on the agenda, but to prioritise it. I commend the convener for the steps that she has taken to get this moving. Scotland should not be left behind, as it is in danger of being. We should note that calls for a Scottish commissio...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
05 Sep 2002
Looked-after Children
It might surprise the minister to know that there are members, indeed some on her own benches, who query why it is necessary to have yet another debate on looked-after children. However, I think that the answer is obvious. We need to have as many debates as it takes until effe...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
15 Feb 2001
Children's Services
The basic determinants of a children's commissioner's remit should be the promotion of children's rights, the challenge of any breaches of children's rights and an influence on law, policy and practice—that takes in everything I have mentioned.On the concept of child impact st...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
06 Dec 2001
Youth Justice System
I thank the minister for her intervention, but I must underline my point. I am sure that she is aware that applications for UK postgraduate social work courses have fallen alarmingly, from more than 9,000 in 1995 to under 5,000 last year. Vacant posts are a serious concern for...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Feb 2003
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
I will confine my remarks to the physical punishment of children. The bill is a step in the right direction, but it is a small step. As Richard Simpson suggested, it pales into insignificance in comparison to the actions that are being taken by an increasing number of countrie...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
26 Mar 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill
Anyone who needs to be convinced of the varied nature of the legislation that the Parliament is passing could do worse than look at our business programme for this afternoon. In the space of an hour or two, we have considered the Council of the Law Society of Scotland Bill, th...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Jan 2000
Children and Young People
Leaving statistics and cold facts aside, we should remember that the trauma of someone leaving their home, their school, their family and their friends and being cared for by a local authority cannot be overestimated. The experience is painful for everybody concerned. Despite ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
07 Jun 2000
Standards in Scotland's <br />Schools etc Bill: Stage 3
We have had many debates in the chamber in which a commitment has been sought—and been given—that the views of young people should be actively canvassed and given due regard. Amendment 13 seeks to do no more than require local authorities to take those views into account. It w...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
04 Apr 2001
Looked-after Children and Adoption Services
The policy and practice of adoption has evolved since the 1920s and 1930s and legislation must reflect that. However, the legacy of the past 25 years or so is a piecemeal legal framework that makes it difficult to work through the amended legislation. I speak from some experie...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2001
Young Carers
I, too, congratulate Donald Gorrie on bringing this important issue to the fore once again.Many young carers are carers not through choice, but because the burden lands on them. They care for a parent or a sibling unselfishly, against a background of missed school, lost educat...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Sep 2001
Juvenile Justice
I say to the Conservative party that society, not the children's hearing system, is, in the words of that party's motion, "manifestly failing to deal with criminal and offending behaviour".Youth offenders are young people with problems. We are failing to deal effectively with ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
11 Jan 2001
Autistic Spectrum Disorder
I want to quote briefly from the Scottish Society for Autism's annual review. Speaking at the Autism-Europe congress 2000 that was held in Glasgow in May, George Reid MSP—Deputy Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament—said:"The battle for human rights is not won, so long ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
01 May 2002
Youth Participation
Although this is the end of the debate, I would like to highlight a very useful starting point for this subject: the need for all those who are involved with children and young people to recognise that participation is a fundamental right of citizenship. That would indicate th...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
28 May 2002
Drug Misuse in North-East Scotland
There is no denying that drug misuse is a major problem in the north-east and that members who represent the area are only too well aware of its negative impact on far too many of our constituents and their families.In his motion, Richard Lochhead is correct to link drug misus...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
14 Dec 2000
Question Time · Children's Rights
Is the minister content that, simply because of their status, refugee children are denied the same rights and protection as all other children in Scotland? Is he comfortable with the fact that they are actively discriminated against because of it is a reserved matter? Is not h...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
04 Oct 2001
Sports Promotion in Schools
I am sorry; I must get on.PE in the curriculum is just the starting point. If we want children to develop their talent for and enjoyment of a particular activity or sport, there must be—as Kenny Gibson pointed out—an opportunity for them to do so outwith the school day. The Mc...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
05 Dec 2001
Gypsy Travellers and Public Sector Policies
As a member of the original Equal Opportunities Committee, I can recall when the inquiry was first proposed. I commend the committee's current members for producing such a comprehensive report of its inquiry into Gypsy Travellers and public sector policies. Although parts of i...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
28 Nov 2002
Domestic Abuse
I hope so.We can accept or not accept the situation as it stands. The voluntary sector has difficulty resourcing children's services. The statutory sector also has difficulty doing so, not least because of the situation facing social work departments, which have struggled for ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
12 Feb 2003
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill
No one is in any doubt that we in Parliament need to do all that we can to increase the protection that we afford our children. The bill, as the minister said, is another tool to assist us in that, but it certainly comes none too soon; Lord Cullen's inquiry following the Dunbl...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
29 May 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
We asked a question about how much of the changing children's services fund was allocated under the young people and looked-after children budget and were told that the 2000 spending review identified £15 million in the first year and £17.5 million in the following year. Is th...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
The difference between the way in which the argument is stated on pages 1 and 2, and the statement on page 3 to which our attention has been drawn, is that the word "real" has been dropped. The earlier statement says:"Children have no real political, economic or social power"....
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
18 Sep 2001
Children's Commissioner Inquiry
Alison Cleland has touched on some extremely interesting points. Like her, we are aware of other countries where such a proposal has been implemented successfully. We can look to those places for guidance. In reality, however, we must break new ground. No other country has the...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Committee
03 Dec 2002
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
This group of amendments arises from the fact that the bill differentiates the obligations that are placed on organisations. Although regulated child care organisations must refer individuals to Scottish ministers for inclusion on the register, other organisations may refer in...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
17 Nov 1999
Child Care Strategy
Immediately before I became an MSP, I worked for Angus Council, helping to implement the child care strategy. Like most practitioners, I welcomed the fact that at last we had a national strategy to implement, even if some of us suspected that the prime motivating factor was re...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
20 Sep 2000
St Vigeans Primary School
The issues are clear. Children in the 21st century deserve a fit-for-purpose learning environment. It would cost £0.25 million to bring the facilities at St Vigeans Primary School up to standard. The council has a number of competing spending priorities and several schools in ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
10 Jan 2002
Education (Looked-after Children)
I thank the minister for making her statement available in advance.We welcome the fact that the Executive is taking action to address a long-standing, well-known and shameful fact—that children's being in the care of a local authority disadvantages their educational attainment...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
30 Jan 2002
Adoption and Children Bill
The minister cannot fail to be aware that the SNP has no great enthusiasm for Sewel motions. As she acknowledged, this is the third Sewel motion on the Adoption and Children Bill. It is not unreasonable to expect the Scottish Parliament to generate its own legislation on relev...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I am pleased to know that the minister will continue to meet foster carers, but I know some foster carers who were insulted to receive, as their share of the £10 million, a little pack with pencils and colouring paper. There was wide variation in how the money was used. Some o...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
I am in my final seconds. We recognise that if social workers and teachers work together, they will deliver a better outcome for children. There is an implication in some of the Executive's statements that, somehow, local authorities are wilfully not complying, but I have no d...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
04 Feb 2003
Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
That is right, but as it is not that kind of amendment, I cannot accept it.On amendment 9, Karen Gillon has comprehensively outlined the view that was taken by those of us who were involved in drawing up the bill. We feel that there are sufficient elements within the bill to a...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
03 Apr 2001
Children's Commissioner
Committee members will be aware that we have also commissioned research into consultation with young people and that we are now at the stage of bringing that to a conclusion and writing a final report. Some of us think that the children's commissioner inquiry and the outcome o...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
02 Oct 2001
Civic Participation Funding Bids
We should not forget that we have held one consultation exercise. We commissioned a video for that event, which took a geographical spread of children from around Scotland and involved children in different situations. Children in care, Travellers' children and others were inc...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
07 May 2002
School Meals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Linda Shanahan talked about speaking to children, which is the right thing to do. The committee hopes that it listens to children, too. Did not some children say that there was no way that they would go into a dining room and buy anything, regardless of whether the quality was...
Irene McGugan: SNP Committee
01 Oct 2002
Protection of Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The bill's accompanying documents estimate that there might be 30 referrals each year to Scottish ministers and that 18 of those might end up as names on the list. Given the numbers of adults working with children, is the figure of 18 a year realistic? If it is realistic, are ...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
02 Mar 2000
Gaelic
I am speaking in this debate because I support the Gaelic language as much as the Scots language, although once again I will speak in English. I want to highlight the work of Comhairle nan Sgoiltean Araich, the Gaelic pre-school council, in helping to revive and promote the la...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
08 Nov 2000
Equality Strategy
That is exactly the point that I will make. We need to link up current legislation and amend it so that we better meet the needs of children. I will give examples of measures that could meet children's needs in that way, but are not included in the proposed housing bill. The p...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
24 May 2001
Education
Well, listen again and I will repeat some of it. I put one example to Frank McAveety. It is interesting to note that in Finland the maximum class size is 21. Does that tell him nothing? A commitment on Labour's part to reduce class sizes to 30 might have looked good on a new L...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
24 Oct 2001
Adoption and Children Bill
This is a very short debate on a very important matter. Adoption law is reformed so infrequently that it is vital that we get it right. The impact that it has on the lives of so many children and their families is immense and deserves our closest scrutiny and most urgent atten...
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP Chamber
06 Nov 2002
Education (Schools)
As we have heard from a number of speakers this afternoon, flexibility has been and will continue to be a key aspect of the Scottish education system, but it has become increasingly difficult to practise with the raft of central Government guidelines, initiatives and targets. ...
Irene McGugan: SNP Chamber
26 Feb 2003
Looked-after Children (Education)
Absolutely. I have no difficulty with that. However, it remains the case that social workers are generally the lead workers in any group of workers who support looked-after children. I remind members that local authorities reported to us last year vacancy rates of 50 per cent ...
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Plenary, 12 Dec 2002

12 Dec 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Children and Young People (Services)
McGugan, Irene SNP North East Scotland Watch on SPTV
Robert Brown should be aware that redefining poverty does not make the least bit of difference. All those children are in poverty in Scotland today and little has been done to alleviate the situation.

It seemed appropriate to focus on youth justice and child protection in the debate, following the publication of three recent reports—the child protection review, the youth justice audit and the report into children's hearings. Those are well-researched, evidence-based documents, and I am pleased that the Executive's amendment seems to indicate that it will take on board the recommendations that have been made. That is perhaps a more gracious and considered response than that of the First Minister to the child protection review.

Both of the substantial reports that deal with youth offending call for a specific commitment of resources to supply services to tackle offending behaviour—we have been calling for that since 1997. Less than 40 per cent of youth justice spend is directed at tackling offending behaviour; the remainder is spent on prosecution and the decision-making process. I agree with the recommendation that the Executive should review whether there should be a shift in that balance. As with poverty, the Scottish Executive has promised much but delivered little. We have had an advisory group report on youth crime, but we never got the promised national strategy on youth crime. We now have an action plan on youth crime, but there has not been much action so far.

Some of my colleagues will discuss youth justice further, but I want to move on to mention child protection services, where there is clear evidence of increased need and pressure on diminished resources. Ever-increasing numbers of children are being placed on child protection registers. Last year, about 7,000 cases were referred to social workers, resulting in 2,018 children being placed on child protection registers—an increase on the previous year. The findings of the child protection audit and review confirmed that some children were indeed falling through the net. Half of all children at risk of abuse or neglect were not properly protected, and of the 188 cases examined, 40 children were not protected and a further 62 were only partially protected. Children's needs were judged to have been met well in just 24 cases. No one can be satisfied with that.

I welcome the reports' recommendations and hope that the Executive will move speedily to implement them. Although a number of the recommendations refer to child protection committees and make various suggestions for improvement, I would like to add one more suggestion for the minister's consideration. I suggest that those committees should have a statutory basis. That would instantly award them increased status and would be much more reflective of the important role that they play in child protection. It would also mean that they would be better resourced and would deliver a uniformly high-quality service throughout the country. That is something that we all want, and I would be interested to hear the minister's views on that.

At the launch of the child protection review, the First Minister decided to act tough—not tough on the causes of the crisis, but tough only on child protection social workers. The review offers substantial evidence that good and effective work is being done by the agencies involved. However, rather than acknowledge their achievement and encourage them to build on and improve it, the First Minister attempted to shift the blame for the acute crisis in children's services on to the services. At a time when professionals urgently need support from the Government, his response was to pass the buck, deride the front-line professionals and undermine his Executive's recruitment campaign.

I will briefly consider that recruitment campaign, which was called "care in Scotland" and billed as a major investment by the Executive to raise the profile of social care and attract people into the sector. The campaign lasted for four weeks and probably passed unnoticed by most MSPs. Four weeks is a short time to turn round a situation that has been developing for the best part of a decade, during which staffing has collapsed from 40,000 to 34,000 and many have opted to leave the sector entirely or to switch to work in the voluntary sector to escape bureaucracy and crushing work loads. The advertisements focused on social care in general, although the pressing need is to attract people into front-line children's services. Perhaps resources could have been better targeted.

Tackling the poor public image of social work goes only part of the way to solving the problems. The British Association of Social Workers has said that many potential recruits are deterred by the lack of an attractive career structure, enormous work loads and a lack of financial recognition for demanding work. As yet, there has been no action to tackle those issues.

Regardless of the success or otherwise of the campaign—even with those flaws—the First Minister's derisory and threatening comments to those in child protection damaged the campaign and further demoralised those who are trying to protect children in increasingly difficult circumstances. Such an approach completely negates the serious staffing and resource issues that exist. The child protection review found that outcomes for children were highly dependent on social work doing well and maintained that social work plays the most instrumental role in child protection. Unfortunately, there is nothing in the recommendations of the child protection audit and review that will tackle head-on, or even indirectly, the appalling lack of resources—particularly staffing—that departments are experiencing.

I want to consider funding. While the Executive increases ring-fenced spending on the changing children's services fund, for example, to promote better integration of services—a perfectly commendable aim that the SNP supports—core funding for children and families services is grossly neglected. The Association of Directors of Social Work undertook an analysis of the budget spend on children's services in social work in Scotland for 1999-2000, which indicated that local authorities planned to spend £324 million on children's services. That was more than a third more—36 per cent, in fact, or £85 million—than the total provided in grant-aided expenditure. Average spend above GAE on children's services by local authorities in 2001-02 was 45 per cent, with 10 local authorities spending more than 100 per cent above GAE. That issue was also mentioned in the Audit Scotland report, which recommended that the Executive should address the inconsistencies between GAE and budgets.

I now turn to recruitment and retention. The latest Executive statistics show that an average of 10.7 per cent of children and families social work posts throughout Scotland are vacant. In the year 2000-01, when Jack McConnell was in charge of children's issues, there was an 8 per cent rise in the number of children referred to local authorities for child protection. At the same time, the number of vacancies for field social workers working with children more than doubled.

An SNP survey of local authorities in the summer of 2001 highlighted the recruitment issues and called for a McCrone-style review of pay and conditions. We carried out a quick update of the situation for this debate and received 18 responses within days. The minister will be interested to know that 17 of the 18 local authorities that responded think that the situation has worsened in the past 15 to 18 months. Current vacancies within child care teams are as high as 50 per cent in some areas; in many cases, no applications are received for advertised vacant posts. Teams that have achieved their full staffing complement think that doing so is a short-term solution at the expense of other local authorities. All are forced into a bidding war for graduates. One local authority stated that

"any council's success is another council's deepening problem."

Many authorities think that the move to integrated services, although welcome, resulted in staff leaving the front line, as pay and conditions are better in initiatives such as the community schools initiative and sure start. The Executive needs to appreciate that it is relatively easy to put resources into children's services, but that staff are needed if services are to continue to be delivered. In some local authority areas, there are hundreds of unallocated cases.

Most local authorities think that the introduction of the four-year degree would exacerbate the staffing problem in the medium term and would reduce options for mature students who wish to enter the profession. Many local authorities call for Executive-funded training places for existing staff. Most important, there are calls for a clear national strategy and for better recognition from the Executive.

I will quote some comments that we received. One local authority said:

"in the absence of a national strategy, the current problems are being exacerbated by local authorities competing against each other for scarce resources".

Another noted:

"I feel the Executive missed an opportunity to begin to address this at the publication of the recent child protection review. Instead it emphasised the failings of the system and in effect was a catalogue of reasons why childcare"

social work

"is a job you would not recommend".

Another said:

"we know from speaking to students and graduates that the final remuneration for"

social workers,

"the perceived lack of status and media criticism of the work, make it an unattractive option compared with other professions".

Finally, one authority said:

"the lengthy time-scale taken to provide new opportunities for training in social work has caused major confusion and a lack of confidence in the profession".

It should be remembered that those are not the SNP's criticisms of the Executive and the lack of progress, although plenty of grounds for such criticism exist. Those are comments from the workers who are most affected.

It is patent that the roll-out of the Executive's action plan for social services must step up a gear and be more targeted if it is to begin to address the severe recruitment and retention problems in child care and in social work as a whole. One of the plan's flaws is that it does not address pay and conditions. Hardly anybody wants to do front-line child protection work. We must make it more attractive, and conditions of service are key to achieving that.

It is interesting that both youth justice reports confirm the staffing crisis in criminal justice and children's services social work and note a lack of staff to deal with young offenders. Many children are not allocated a social worker and do not receive the supervision that they need to stop them offending. That is the issue. I am not just making a plea for better wages for social workers; every one of the hundreds of unallocated cases means that a vulnerable child is not receiving the support that he or she needs when he or she is most in need.

We need more urgent action and supportive leadership from the Executive to help to solve the acute crisis in the recruitment and retention of social workers for children and families. We suggest a review of pay and conditions and proper resourcing of integrated children's services to halt the drain of workers from the front line of child protection to the other initiatives that have more funding or better conditions.

The BASW recommends a career structure that keeps good-quality, front-line staff at the front line; strategic planning in the short and long term following the introduction of the new degree; and political and economic backing for a work force that is asked to work on some of society's most difficult issues.

The question for the Executive is whether enough has been done to prevent people from leaving the work force early and to attract young people into a rewarding and challenging career. To achieve a confident and competent work force, more is needed than tinkering, golden hellos and career grades that are linked to greater work loads. Staff need to feel valued and rewarded for their work.

I turn to the two amendments to the motion. The Executive does not like to take on board ideas and suggestions from other parties, but simply rewording the SNP's motion and presenting that as the Executive's amendment is a bit of a discredit to the Parliament. It is much to be regretted that the Tories cannot rise above the hang-'em-and-flog-'em mentality that lost them much ground when they were last in power and which will continue to lose them friends and voters now.

Services for children and young people are struggling to cope, so they are not meeting their young clients' needs. The common features are a failure to deal with poverty and disadvantage and a shortage of resources—particularly staffing. Until those matters are adequately addressed, services will remain unsatisfactory.

The First Minister said recently:

"If, in the twenty-first century, government in Scotland cannot protect children who are in the most vulnerable of circumstances then government in Scotland does not deserve to exist."

If he meant that, he ought to recognise his own and his Government's abject failure and step down.

I move,

That the Parliament commends the recent reports into children's services of the Child Protection Audit and Review, It's everyone's job to make sure I'm alright, Audit Scotland, Dealing with offending by young people and the Scottish Committee of the Council on Tribunals, Special Report on the Children's Hearings System; notes in particular the references to the need to address urgently the crisis in the recruitment and retention of social workers; urges the Scottish Executive to give serious consideration to this matter and to the other recommendations in the reports and to act upon them; agrees that, when implemented, the recommendations would offer substantial improvements to the services for our most vulnerable children and young people; recommends bringing forward legislation to provide a statutory basis for child protection committees thereby ensuring increased status and resources and uniformly high quality services across the country, and recognises the need for the Scottish Executive to tackle once and for all the underlying social problems which disfigure our nation by limiting the chances of Scottish children, too many of whom continue to live in poverty.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Sir David Steel): NPA
Good morning. Our first item of business is a debate on motion S1M-3698, in the name of Irene McGugan, on children's and young people's services in Scotland....
Irene McGugan (North-East Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I start with a quotation that is at the heart of the Executive's programme:"Ensuring every young person gets the best possible start in life."I am sure no on...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD): LD
If Irene McGugan accepts that there is a link between poverty and children in need, would she care to comment on the difference between absolute poverty, whi...
Irene McGugan: SNP
Robert Brown should be aware that redefining poverty does not make the least bit of difference. All those children are in poverty in Scotland today and littl...
The Minister for Education and Young People (Cathy Jamieson): Lab
I acknowledge that, although the Scottish National Party motion and our amendment are not identical, they cover a lot of the same ground. That was meant to h...
Michael Russell (South of Scotland) (SNP): SNP
I take the minister back to the issue of child poverty. Given what she has said, the minister presumably rebuts entirely the report of the Joseph Rowntree Fo...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
I will not set myself against the Joseph Rowntree Foundation. As Michael Russell will know, another report was published by the foundation this morning, whic...
Scott Barrie (Dunfermline West) (Lab): Lab
Does the minister agree that, although in some local authorities the number of vacancies for social work is unacceptably high, there was never a golden era o...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
A number of other members worked in the same area of social work in which I worked. None of us would recall that time as a golden age of social work. We reca...
Irene McGugan: SNP
I accept all of what the minister said about the number of people on courses increasing and the number of social workers increasing, but why then did 17 of t...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
In a sense, Irene McGugan answered that question in her speech. She will know that the situation has not arisen overnight. There has been a lack of work-forc...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con): Con
In many respects, the Executive is failing Scotland's children and the Scottish National Party has suggested few reasoned or reasonable alternatives. In a th...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Bill Aitken: Con
Give me a minute. In an intervention, Mr Russell highlighted the content of some of the reports that have been produced. It might have been advantageous for ...
Michael Russell: SNP
I do not know in which parallel universe the member is living. Although we hope and expect to be in government, we are not in alliance at the moment. The Lab...
Bill Aitken: Con
Mr Russell might not be responsible, but I assure him that I do not live in another universe. The fact that I live in the real world is sometimes a disadvant...
Michael Russell: SNP
Will the member give way?
Bill Aitken: Con
I will finish this point before I again give way.The only way in which Mr Russell would be able to achieve a reduction in class sizes would be by filling the...
Michael Russell: SNP
I am sorry that Bill Aitken did not accept my intervention earlier because I frankly do not understand that last point, which was nonsensical. I am happy to ...
Bill Aitken: Con
I assure Mr Russell that I will read with considerable interest whatever he sends me. Of course, I suffer from insomnia but I am sure that such reading will ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab): Lab
Is Bill Aitken saying that we should not invest £700 million in Glasgow's acute services?
Bill Aitken: Con
I do not suggest that for a moment. We need to spend the money in a much more efficient and effective manner so as to improve patient care.
Mr John Swinney (North Tayside) (SNP): SNP
Will the member explain how?
Bill Aitken: Con
This is not a health debate. If members want to debate health, I will be delighted to do so on a suitable occasion.
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
Bill Aitken said that today's debate is not on health, but I am sure that he would recognise that the health of our children is important. Does he recognise ...
Bill Aitken: Con
I agree with the minister that the health of our children is a vital issue that should be addressed cogently and seriously. Where I take issue with the Execu...
Cathy Peattie (Falkirk East) (Lab): Lab
Why then did so many of those who contributed to both the national debate on education and the Education, Culture and Sport Committee's inquiry into educatio...
Bill Aitken: Con
The usual suspects of course came up with that result. We must realise that the comprehensive education system needs to be looked at carefully. That realisat...
Cathy Jamieson: Lab
I go back to the member's first point about the rise in the number of young people who are looked after in residential accommodation. Does the member recogni...
Bill Aitken: Con
Yes, I freely concede that point. Nevertheless, it is depressing that there are so many looked-after youngsters in residential accommodation and that must be...