Chamber
Plenary, 27 Sep 2006
27 Sep 2006 · S2 · Plenary
Item of business
Crofting Reform etc Bill: Stage 1
We have heard about a fine example of a committee doing its job of scrutinising a bill and reaching a conclusion on it. I add my thanks to everyone who gave evidence, to the committee clerks and to all who worked on the bill. Once the bill got to the committee, the process was exemplary.
The Executive has during stage 1 come in for a great deal of criticism, to some of which I add my voice. However, I am not critical of the Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development, Rhona Brankin, who fronted the bill and who had the sometimes unenviable job of appearing before the committee to answer its questions. I know that she is highly aware of crofting issues and that her commitment to crofting is not in doubt, so her life must have been made difficult by the media's criticisms of the bill.
I do not, however, fully accept some of the criticisms that were made. I accept that the bill undoubtedly fails to address the existing free market in crofts and croft tenancies—although I point out that none of the witnesses from whom we heard suggested how the bill could address the issue directly—but I have never quite understood how the bill would make the situation worse, as has been suggested. Indeed, in some small ways, the bill might indirectly help to make the situation better by increasing the supply of crofts and regulating owner-occupied crofts, which has not been done in the past. I will talk more about that if I have time.
There are aspects of the bill that definitely deserve criticism. It gives the impression that it was thrown together and is poorly drafted: the proper occupier proposal, which appeared in the policy memorandum during stage 1, is an example. The Executive intimated that it was minded to introduce the concept of a proper occupier at stage 2. I accept that there was a good intention behind the proposal, which was to regulate owner-occupied crofts. I have said that I accept that such regulation is necessary, but as was said at the time, the impression was created that the bill was being knitted as we went along and that the proper occupier proposal was made primarily because there was an unwillingness to amend the definition of a crofter in the Crofters (Scotland) Act 1993. My committee colleagues felt that if that act required to be amended, it should be amended once and for all and that the answer was not to introduce into legislation a completely new concept that no one liked the sound of but which was intended to simplify crofting law. As I said, the proper occupier proposal has been shelved.
There were other criticisms and I am heartened to see that the Executive has responded to them. It has responded to the desire to look holistically at crofting, to quantify what it has to offer and to distil a vision for crofting in the 21st century by undertaking to hold an inquiry, which I very much welcome. It was clear during evidence taking that there is no shared understanding of what crofting means, sometimes even among crofters. Some people who gave evidence focused on crofting as a way to provide housing in rural areas and others regard it from a land use and agricultural perspective—I adhere to that view—in respect of the possibility of carrying out enterprises on the land, such as small-scale horticultural processes.
All those views of crofting are valid in their own ways. In the traditional crofting counties, there has been not so much unemployment as under employment. It is usual in those areas for a person's living to be made up of various part-time jobs rather than one full-time one—crofting has traditionally been a component of that. Housing issues are also clearly difficult in many of the traditional crofting areas and there are opportunities for small-scale agricultural and horticultural enterprises. Crofting can, and does, make up an important thread in the fabric of rural life in those areas.
That leads me to one of the reasons why I want the bill to be amended and shortened and why I admire the deputy minister for her fortitude in sticking with the bill until now. The bill includes the provision to create new crofts, which is exciting in itself and will meet a need. As I said, increasing the supply of crofts might do a little to damp down the cost of crofts or croft assignations. However, the new provision is even more exciting in the light of the Executive's forestry strategy, which includes a commitment to the creation of forest crofts. That is a potentially exciting development that will include an aspect of crofting that, for some reason, did not feature largely in the evidence that we heard, which is the tradition of holding, managing and utilising land in common. That is done in traditional crofting communities in the form of common grazings. It is clear that common management of woodlands has much to offer.
That brings me to the other aspect that I am very much in favour of, which is the potential to extend crofting outwith the existing crofting counties—an awful lot of our forest estate lies outwith the crofting counties. The committee heard evidence on that from Dumfries and Galloway, for example. Such areas could be offered much by the creation of forest crofts, which would give people the potential to live and work in forest areas, do forest-based rural activities and manage the forests in common for the good of the whole community. That is an exciting development. For that reason, if for no other, I suggest that we go with the bill in its shortened form.
Other members mentioned points that I wanted to make; John Farquhar Munro, for example, commented on planning. It is clear that the Crofters Commission should be a statutory consultee for planning decisions that would affect areas under crofting tenure. I want assurances from the minister in her summing up that that point has been taken account of for the Planning etc (Scotland) Bill, which is with the Communities Committee.
Also, the power to challenge neglect of crofts is important. I do not have time to say anything about interposed leases, but that issue is crucial.
I hope that crofters have been reassured by the parliamentary process and that they are reassured that Parliament and the Executive, through its response, are committed to crofting, have its best interests at heart and will not impose anything on crofting that it does not want. I hope also, because the Executive has responded so positively and constructively to the committee's stage 1 report, that Parliament will accept the general principles of the bill: it has much to offer. In looking to the future, the inquiry will be important, but we can make a start today.
The Executive has during stage 1 come in for a great deal of criticism, to some of which I add my voice. However, I am not critical of the Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development, Rhona Brankin, who fronted the bill and who had the sometimes unenviable job of appearing before the committee to answer its questions. I know that she is highly aware of crofting issues and that her commitment to crofting is not in doubt, so her life must have been made difficult by the media's criticisms of the bill.
I do not, however, fully accept some of the criticisms that were made. I accept that the bill undoubtedly fails to address the existing free market in crofts and croft tenancies—although I point out that none of the witnesses from whom we heard suggested how the bill could address the issue directly—but I have never quite understood how the bill would make the situation worse, as has been suggested. Indeed, in some small ways, the bill might indirectly help to make the situation better by increasing the supply of crofts and regulating owner-occupied crofts, which has not been done in the past. I will talk more about that if I have time.
There are aspects of the bill that definitely deserve criticism. It gives the impression that it was thrown together and is poorly drafted: the proper occupier proposal, which appeared in the policy memorandum during stage 1, is an example. The Executive intimated that it was minded to introduce the concept of a proper occupier at stage 2. I accept that there was a good intention behind the proposal, which was to regulate owner-occupied crofts. I have said that I accept that such regulation is necessary, but as was said at the time, the impression was created that the bill was being knitted as we went along and that the proper occupier proposal was made primarily because there was an unwillingness to amend the definition of a crofter in the Crofters (Scotland) Act 1993. My committee colleagues felt that if that act required to be amended, it should be amended once and for all and that the answer was not to introduce into legislation a completely new concept that no one liked the sound of but which was intended to simplify crofting law. As I said, the proper occupier proposal has been shelved.
There were other criticisms and I am heartened to see that the Executive has responded to them. It has responded to the desire to look holistically at crofting, to quantify what it has to offer and to distil a vision for crofting in the 21st century by undertaking to hold an inquiry, which I very much welcome. It was clear during evidence taking that there is no shared understanding of what crofting means, sometimes even among crofters. Some people who gave evidence focused on crofting as a way to provide housing in rural areas and others regard it from a land use and agricultural perspective—I adhere to that view—in respect of the possibility of carrying out enterprises on the land, such as small-scale horticultural processes.
All those views of crofting are valid in their own ways. In the traditional crofting counties, there has been not so much unemployment as under employment. It is usual in those areas for a person's living to be made up of various part-time jobs rather than one full-time one—crofting has traditionally been a component of that. Housing issues are also clearly difficult in many of the traditional crofting areas and there are opportunities for small-scale agricultural and horticultural enterprises. Crofting can, and does, make up an important thread in the fabric of rural life in those areas.
That leads me to one of the reasons why I want the bill to be amended and shortened and why I admire the deputy minister for her fortitude in sticking with the bill until now. The bill includes the provision to create new crofts, which is exciting in itself and will meet a need. As I said, increasing the supply of crofts might do a little to damp down the cost of crofts or croft assignations. However, the new provision is even more exciting in the light of the Executive's forestry strategy, which includes a commitment to the creation of forest crofts. That is a potentially exciting development that will include an aspect of crofting that, for some reason, did not feature largely in the evidence that we heard, which is the tradition of holding, managing and utilising land in common. That is done in traditional crofting communities in the form of common grazings. It is clear that common management of woodlands has much to offer.
That brings me to the other aspect that I am very much in favour of, which is the potential to extend crofting outwith the existing crofting counties—an awful lot of our forest estate lies outwith the crofting counties. The committee heard evidence on that from Dumfries and Galloway, for example. Such areas could be offered much by the creation of forest crofts, which would give people the potential to live and work in forest areas, do forest-based rural activities and manage the forests in common for the good of the whole community. That is an exciting development. For that reason, if for no other, I suggest that we go with the bill in its shortened form.
Other members mentioned points that I wanted to make; John Farquhar Munro, for example, commented on planning. It is clear that the Crofters Commission should be a statutory consultee for planning decisions that would affect areas under crofting tenure. I want assurances from the minister in her summing up that that point has been taken account of for the Planning etc (Scotland) Bill, which is with the Communities Committee.
Also, the power to challenge neglect of crofts is important. I do not have time to say anything about interposed leases, but that issue is crucial.
I hope that crofters have been reassured by the parliamentary process and that they are reassured that Parliament and the Executive, through its response, are committed to crofting, have its best interests at heart and will not impose anything on crofting that it does not want. I hope also, because the Executive has responded so positively and constructively to the committee's stage 1 report, that Parliament will accept the general principles of the bill: it has much to offer. In looking to the future, the inquiry will be important, but we can make a start today.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Mr George Reid):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S2M-4710, in the name of Ross Finnie, on the general principles of the Crofting Reform etc Bill.
The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie):
LD
Crofting is a uniquely Scottish way of life and approach to small-scale agriculture. For the first time, it is to be subject to legislation that has been dev...
John Swinburne (Central Scotland) (SSCUP):
SSCUP
The Scottish Parliament information centre's excellent briefing on crofting states:"In recognition of its importance in sustaining remote rural communities, ...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I would be happy to receive a letter from the member on that point. It is certainly not within the scope of the bill, although it may be a matter of great an...
John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD):
LD
The minister said that a committee of inquiry is to be established to consider the complexities of the crofting situation. Will it look into absenteeism and ...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I am grateful to John Farquhar Munro for that intervention. I am well aware of his particular interest in crofting in general and in the misuse and neglect o...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
I apologise for not being here for the start of the minister's speech. When will the committee of inquiry's remit be finalised? When will the committee be es...
Ross Finnie:
LD
That is the sort of multiple question for which one gets points for each part.We have given quite a lot of thought to the committee of inquiry. We have to id...
Rob Gibson (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
Few of the original proposals in the Crofting Reform etc Bill are left unscathed. It is a botched bill. It has been savaged by the determined committee that ...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Rob Gibson:
SNP
Not at the moment.Crofting reform was a low priority for the Lib-Lab coalition, which has taken so long to go so tortuously short a distance. Listen to croft...
Ross Finnie:
LD
Rob Gibson has referred several times to market value. If he intends to extinguish that, is it SNP policy to remove the right to buy? The right to buy was th...
Rob Gibson:
SNP
The situation that the minister discusses is complicated. The right of people to have a house that they can decroft and use for themselves has been accepted ...
Mr Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
When the commission that was chaired by Francis, Lord Napier of Ettrick, went to interview crofters about their grievances on 8 May 1883, it was no coinciden...
Ross Finnie:
LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Mr Brocklebank:
Con
I will do so in a moment. The minister may want to come back on what I am about to say.As Rob Gibson pointed out, Ross Finnie declared on BBC Radio Scotland ...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I am grateful for the member's concerns about market values, which we all share. However, for the sake of members, will he point to any section of the bill t...
Mr Brocklebank:
Con
Things will become apparent as I proceed.The bill has failed to dampen the speculation and free market in land—that is the major problem that we are faced wi...
Elaine Smith:
Lab
Is Ted Brocklebank suggesting that, in abandoning the bill, the Executive should abandon provisions—which it intends to leave in the bill—to create a registe...
Mr Brocklebank:
Con
Of course, there are aspects of the bill that we believe should, eventually, be part of a well-thought-out bill that has a real vision for the future of crof...
Elaine Smith (Coatbridge and Chryston) (Lab):
Lab
On behalf of the Labour Party, I thank the clerking team of the Environment and Rural Development Committee for assisting the committee in reaching this stag...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I call Sarah Boyack, who will speak as convener of the Environment and Rural Development Committee.
Sarah Boyack (Edinburgh Central) (Lab):
Lab
I thank committee members, witnesses, committee clerks and all those who were involved in the preparation of our committee report. In particular, I thank the...
John Farquhar Munro (Ross, Skye and Inverness West) (LD):
LD
I congratulate the convener of the Environment and Rural Development Committee, who seems to have an amazing grasp of crofting legislation. I thank her for h...
Jim Mather (Highlands and Islands) (SNP):
SNP
As we have heard, the bill attracted adverse comment and deep and stinging criticisms from the Environment and Rural Development Committee, which is to be co...
Elaine Smith:
Lab
Does the member accept that the committee's deliberations uncovered many of the issues that he has outlined? Instead of continually denigrating the Scottish ...
Jim Mather:
SNP
Given the delays and the patchwork of good with the bad, I must focus on the fundamental flaws in what is an extremely unhelpful bill, which has caused great...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
We have heard John Farquhar Munro—who I think is one of only two members of Parliament who are crofters—say that some parts of the bill are welcome, so why o...
Jim Mather:
SNP
If the member had listened to Rob Gibson, he would have got that message loud and clear. It is important that progress is made and that we get the improvemen...
Eleanor Scott (Highlands and Islands) (Green):
Green
We have heard about a fine example of a committee doing its job of scrutinising a bill and reaching a conclusion on it. I add my thanks to everyone who gave ...