Committee
Finance Committee, 18 Nov 2002
18 Nov 2002 · S1 · Finance Committee
Item of business
Budget 2003-04
In the third workshop, a range of organisations representing many of the public and voluntary sector groups—including the Highland Council, Highland NHS Board, Skye and Lochalsh Council for Voluntary Organisations, Sabhal Mòr Ostaig and Lochalsh and Skye Housing Association attended. The themes that arose at the workshop are similar to those that Tom McCabe and David Davidson reported.First, we heard from the finance manager of Highland NHS Board, who said that the Arbuthnott formula has had positive effects in the Highlands. The formula has catered for the fact that not only is the area's population in general rising, but the area's elderly population is rising more rapidly than is the case elsewhere in Scotland. He said, however, that we must ensure that the extra money that is provided by the Arbuthnott formula is distributed on time—concern was expressed that there has been some slippage on the time scale.The board's finance manager said that although the money that is coming into the health service is increasing, much of that money is already required to deal with the increase in the drugs budget and various other areas. New GP budgets are being negotiated at the moment, but the Arbuthnott formula is based on the old GP contract formula, which means that there must be some flexibility or thought given to how that money will feed through. As in Orkney, we heard about the difficulty of recruiting and retaining adequate numbers of medical staff in a number of fields.The housing association told us that an estimated 45 per cent of council housing stock in the area has been sold and that there is a shortfall in the provision of public sector housing. Concerns were expressed about the implementation of the Homelessness etc (Scotland) Bill, which is going through Parliament at the moment, because it will place extra demands on local councils and housing associations in terms of provision of housing. A particular problem is the length of time that it takes to plan and develop new housing stock. There are a number or reasons for that, including the lengthy planning process and the fact that Scottish Water and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency must be negotiated with. Communities Scotland must also allow enough time for local housing providers to plan properly and it must take on board the fact that more time is required in areas such as this.Although three-year budgeting, for example, is generally welcomed, budgeting could be more definite and conducted over a longer term. One matter that was discussed in conjunction with that was the way in which Communities Scotland works. Many of its targets are based on providing units of housing, but the requirement in areas such as Skye and Lochalsh is to buy land in order to build up a land bank for future housing needs. The funding mechanism does not cater effectively for that.As for the Gaelic college, the point was well made that Gaelic is too often considered a problem, despite its being a benefit in several ways; for example, because it enhances tourism and because of its cultural aspect. Perhaps the college is slightly unusual, so identifying the correct source of funding for it can sometimes take up disproportionate amounts of time. It is not always clear whether the provision that the college makes means that it should tap cultural funds or educational funds. We discussed how the college could work within the UHI Millennium Institute and with universities elsewhere to expand its provision of courses, such as those in teacher training, on which the UHI is to build a strategic arrangement with the University of Aberdeen. At the moment, the Gaelic college is not directly involved in teacher training.The point was made that the local budget for the voluntary sector has been at a standstill for the past nine years, despite the fact that the level of activity of voluntary sector groups has doubled. That imposes constraints and causes difficulties. It emerged that village halls are important to remote and rural communities and require a fair amount of support. Funding has been provided effectively through the community access fund, but the Highlands and Islands is no longer a priority area for that fund, so accessing money to support village halls is becoming more problematic. It was also said that some voluntary sector projects could not be progressed because match funding could not be obtained from other voluntary sector providers.The impact of phasing out water charges relief for charities was discussed. Charges relate less to the volume of water that has been used and more to roof surface, so charities pay for management of surface water, rather than the volume that has been used.We also heard from the Highland Council, which generally welcomes the move to three-year budgeting and some of the initiatives that can be developed through the modernising government fund and through the joint future agenda. The council raised several issues. As has been said, the Highland and Islands is a growing economy that has all the problems that many growing economies have. It requires more infrastructure, more houses and better transport—particular difficulties relate to maintaining roads and bridges. The Skye bridge was mentioned, which Tom McCabe talked about at some length. Development of Broadford airport was discussed as being a benefit to tourism in the area and to other matters.
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The Convener (Des McNulty):
Lab
Welcome. I now open the formal session of the 22nd meeting of the Finance Committee. For the record, I thank everybody who has been involved in the workshops...
Mr Tom McCabe (Hamilton South) (Lab):
Lab
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and thank you, convener. A fairly good cross-section of interests from the Skye community was represented at the workshop,...
The Convener:
Lab
Before we do that, we will see whether Alasdair Morgan has anything to add.
Alasdair Morgan (Galloway and Upper Nithsdale) (SNP):
SNP
I have one or two points to make. It is refreshing to be in a rural area where, contrary to much of the evidence that we hear throughout Scotland, the popula...
Brian Adam (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
I would like to ask the Highlands MSPs and the people who participated in the workshops what developments in niche tourism markets have been achieved in the ...
Mr McCabe:
Lab
I think that we heard about developments in food tourism, which capitalises on the facts that there is an enormous amount of fresh produce in the area and th...
The Convener:
Lab
Do any of the workshop participants have points that they want to add? I see from their expressions that they are all happy with the reports that have been m...
Mr David Davidson (North-East Scotland) (Con):
Con
Amazingly, the bridge was not mentioned at workshop 2. The participants were composed of members of the National Farmers' Union of Scotland, Scottish Natural...
Mr Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
Everything that David Davidson said about the LFA regime is true. Despite the fact that the Executive is putting more money in, it is those who have the poor...
The Convener:
Lab
Would any of the participants in the workshop like to add to what has emerged?
Hugh Allen (Mallaig and North West Fishermen's Association):
I am secretary of Mallaig and North West Fishermen's Association. I want to correct something that David Davidson said. The decommissioning scheme has not ha...
Mr Jamie McGrigor (Highlands and Islands) (Con):
Con
The lack of flexibility in the grants system was mentioned. A lot of the money is already laid down for paying rangers and so on. A person who has a good ide...
The Convener:
Lab
I was struck by the difference in policy between Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise. It was claimed that Highlands and Islands Enterpri...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab):
Lab
In the third workshop, a range of organisations representing many of the public and voluntary sector groups—including the Highland Council, Highland NHS Boar...
Brian Adam:
SNP
Elaine Thomson has covered most of the points that were raised. The implications of the general practitioner contract for the rolling out of the Arbuthnott s...
Mr Davidson:
Con
I want to tease out more information. Was there discussion about tensions within the funding to cope with the extra demands that are made on the health servi...
Elaine Thomson:
Lab
As I understand it, the proportion of elderly people in the population has increased by 4 per cent in the past 10 years and in Highland, particularly where w...
The Convener:
Lab
I give the members of the organisations that were involved in workshop 3 the opportunity to add or highlight points.
Brian Adam:
SNP
I discussed a wide range of issues with the Gaelic college—I will not attempt the Gaelic name. The college might well be a suitable candidate for the Executi...
The Convener:
Lab
I give Norman Gillies the opportunity to speak if he wishes to.
Dr Norman Gillies (Sabhal Mòr Ostaig):
I am the director of Sabhal Mòr Ostaig—the Gaelic college on Skye. The people of Skye were wise enough to welcome infrastructure in other areas and acknowled...
Mr Stone:
LD
Given what has been said about Sabhal Mòr Ostaig and all that you do, to what extent can Sgitheanach cultural tourism be built on Sabhal Mòr Ostaig? I can se...
Dr Gillies:
There is indeed. Brian Adam raised the question of niche tourism markets and it is recognised that we attract a range of people throughout the year who wish ...
The Convener:
Lab
Our adviser, Arthur Midwinter, wants to ask a question while we have some of the experts in the room.
Professor Arthur Midwinter (Adviser):
My question relates to the link that has been drawn between the population change and the infrastructure investment. Both local government and health budgets...
The Convener:
Lab
Lachie MacDonald may be able to help us on the Communities Scotland issue.
Lachie MacDonald (Lochalsh and Skye Housing Association):
I am the director of Lochalsh and Skye Housing Association, so I cannot speak on behalf of the council. In response to Professor Midwinter's question, nation...
Professor Midwinter:
Could you provide us with something on paper? Tomorrow we will consider the Social Justice Committee's stage 2 report on the budget. It is expressing concern...
Lachie MacDonald:
We can certainly do that. The Scottish Federation of Housing Associations has prepared a position paper on the budget announcement. Gary Coutts of Highland C...
Professor Midwinter:
Does Bill Ross have any information on roads?