Chamber
Plenary, 05 Mar 2003
05 Mar 2003 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Subordinate Legislation
Fishing Vessels (Decommissioning) (Scotland) Scheme 2003<br />Sea Fishing (Transitional Support) (Scotland) (No 2) Scheme 2003
On the way to the Parliament this morning, I spoke to several people who, on hearing that we were debating fishing this morning, all said the same thing: "If there aren't enough fish, we have to cut back on fishing."
The statutory instruments that we are debating are harsh. They are not what we would wish in an ideal world. However, if we want to have a sustainable fishing industry and healthy stocks in the North sea, action to reduce fishing effort must be taken. If the Scottish fishing fleet is to get the opportunity to fish for 15 days a month, rather than the original nine days, fishing effort must be reduced by 15 to 20 per cent. That means decommissioning.
The fishing industry, whether offshore or onshore, is not being abandoned. Substantial resources are going into and have gone into trying to support the industry—the original £27 million package of 18 months ago and the £50 million package that is proposed today. To support the industry to the tune of £77 million, plus the FIFG money, is not the act of a Westminster or Edinburgh Government that does not care about fishing.
Danny Couper, conservation officer for the Scottish Fish Merchants Federation, is right when he says that, although the reduction of fishing effort is necessary, it should have been phased in over the past few years. That has not happened and we are where we are. I hope that when the minister returns to Brussels, he will be able to negotiate more flexibility and a more sophisticated system around the current regulations so that he can introduce such measures as kilowatt days, rather than the current days-at-sea system, along with various other measures. I am pleased to hear that progress is already being made on that.
The SNP is once again arguing in favour of delay and of keeping boats tied up for what might be an indefinite period of time, instead of taking the action that is required. In a recent parliamentary newsletter, Richard Lochhead states that the SNP would
"In Week 1 of an SNP Executive, move immediately to renegotiate the current deal and insist a Scottish Minister lead the UK delegation".
When the UK says no and the European Commission says no, what then? Is the SNP planning to declare independence immediately and pull out of Europe at the same time, in what would be not so much independence in Europe as independence from Europe? That is not real politics and the fishing industry knows it. The formation of the fishermen's party by some skippers clearly underlines that point.
I would mention to the fishing industry an old socialist slogan, "Unity is strength". The fishing industry—catchers, processors and associated industries—needs to work together. It is clear from yesterday's edition of The Scotsman that the newly formed Scottish Fishing Services Association is unhappy with the Scottish Fishermen's Federation's proposals. The Scottish Fish Merchants Federation has publicly distanced itself from the formation of a new political party.
Urgent support must be given to processors who have the particular skills to process North sea fish, so that they and their skills survive and the market for Scottish fish, landed by Scottish fishermen, is retained. I hope that the Minister for Environment and Rural Development will pay close attention to the second stage of the action plan put forward by representatives of the fish processing sector.
The needs of any deck hands who become redundant should be considered. The UK Labour Government has paid out nearly £40 million over the past year or two to the fishermen who used to fish off Iceland who lost out when the Tories came to power. They have waited more than 20 years for redundancy money. I know that many of my constituents in Aberdeen North have now benefited from that. That is an act of a Labour Government that cares about the fishing industry.
I would like to think that we can manage the situation better this time, that everyone in the industry can be supported and that we are continuing to take steps to ensure that a sustainable Scottish fishing industry is maintained for the future.
The statutory instruments that we are debating are harsh. They are not what we would wish in an ideal world. However, if we want to have a sustainable fishing industry and healthy stocks in the North sea, action to reduce fishing effort must be taken. If the Scottish fishing fleet is to get the opportunity to fish for 15 days a month, rather than the original nine days, fishing effort must be reduced by 15 to 20 per cent. That means decommissioning.
The fishing industry, whether offshore or onshore, is not being abandoned. Substantial resources are going into and have gone into trying to support the industry—the original £27 million package of 18 months ago and the £50 million package that is proposed today. To support the industry to the tune of £77 million, plus the FIFG money, is not the act of a Westminster or Edinburgh Government that does not care about fishing.
Danny Couper, conservation officer for the Scottish Fish Merchants Federation, is right when he says that, although the reduction of fishing effort is necessary, it should have been phased in over the past few years. That has not happened and we are where we are. I hope that when the minister returns to Brussels, he will be able to negotiate more flexibility and a more sophisticated system around the current regulations so that he can introduce such measures as kilowatt days, rather than the current days-at-sea system, along with various other measures. I am pleased to hear that progress is already being made on that.
The SNP is once again arguing in favour of delay and of keeping boats tied up for what might be an indefinite period of time, instead of taking the action that is required. In a recent parliamentary newsletter, Richard Lochhead states that the SNP would
"In Week 1 of an SNP Executive, move immediately to renegotiate the current deal and insist a Scottish Minister lead the UK delegation".
When the UK says no and the European Commission says no, what then? Is the SNP planning to declare independence immediately and pull out of Europe at the same time, in what would be not so much independence in Europe as independence from Europe? That is not real politics and the fishing industry knows it. The formation of the fishermen's party by some skippers clearly underlines that point.
I would mention to the fishing industry an old socialist slogan, "Unity is strength". The fishing industry—catchers, processors and associated industries—needs to work together. It is clear from yesterday's edition of The Scotsman that the newly formed Scottish Fishing Services Association is unhappy with the Scottish Fishermen's Federation's proposals. The Scottish Fish Merchants Federation has publicly distanced itself from the formation of a new political party.
Urgent support must be given to processors who have the particular skills to process North sea fish, so that they and their skills survive and the market for Scottish fish, landed by Scottish fishermen, is retained. I hope that the Minister for Environment and Rural Development will pay close attention to the second stage of the action plan put forward by representatives of the fish processing sector.
The needs of any deck hands who become redundant should be considered. The UK Labour Government has paid out nearly £40 million over the past year or two to the fishermen who used to fish off Iceland who lost out when the Tories came to power. They have waited more than 20 years for redundancy money. I know that many of my constituents in Aberdeen North have now benefited from that. That is an act of a Labour Government that cares about the fishing industry.
I would like to think that we can manage the situation better this time, that everyone in the industry can be supported and that we are continuing to take steps to ensure that a sustainable Scottish fishing industry is maintained for the future.
In the same item of business
The Minister for Environment and Rural Development (Ross Finnie):
LD
In the short time that the Presiding Officer's announcement gave me, I added a little theological content to my speech, so that members will not feel deprive...
Phil Gallie (South of Scotland) (Con):
Con
The minister used the word "restructuring", but is it not the case that we are talking about destructuring, given the extent of decommissioning that he expec...
Ross Finnie:
LD
That is a highly excitable and, if I might say so, wholly unfounded intervention. We are talking about decommissioning to the extent of 15 per cent of effort...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness East, Nairn and Lochaber) (SNP):
SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ross Finnie:
LD
I shall make a little progress and then I shall take another intervention.I turn to the two instruments for debate, beginning with the Fishing Vessels (Decom...
Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
The minister will recall that the last time that a decommissioning scheme went through the Parliament, there was huge concern about the fact that many of the...
Ross Finnie:
LD
I shall come on to the detail of that. In general terms, let us be absolutely clear that, essentially, there has to be a contract between the Executive and t...
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
The minister talks about transitional aid to get the industry through the difficult period ahead. The signs that we are getting from the European Commission ...
Ross Finnie:
LD
We must address the question that is before us today. We have introduced a package, we have discussed it and we have allocated funds for it. We are in danger...
Mrs Margaret Ewing (Moray) (SNP):
SNP
Will the minister take an intervention?
Ross Finnie:
LD
No. I will make one more point. It is important that, as set out in SSI 2003/116, the compensation formula will reflect vessels' historic activity. As I expl...
Fergus Ewing:
SNP
We all understand and agree with the objectives that the minister has described. Does he accept that there is almost unanimous agreement in the industry that...
Ross Finnie:
LD
The member said that the funding "is available", but that is not accurate, as it has not yet been approved by the Council of Ministers and the European Parli...
Mrs Margaret Ewing:
SNP
In relation to the European scheme, what have the Scottish Executive and the Westminster Government done to ensure that support is given to the budget-line a...
Ross Finnie:
LD
All I know is that we have indicated that if such a scheme were available, we would be genuinely interested in it. It is for the UK ministers to pursue the m...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Mr Murray Tosh):
Con
Amendments S1M-3958.1 and S1M-3959.1 are in the name of Richard Lochhead.
Richard Lochhead (North-East Scotland) (SNP):
SNP
This morning's events certainly reinforce the Scottish National Party's view that the Parliament does not have appropriate powers to deliver for Scotland's f...
Mr Mike Rumbles (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine) (LD):
LD
Is not Richard Lochhead's amendment somewhat disingenuous? I know for a fact that he misrepresents the views of members of the Rural Development Committee. H...
The Deputy Presiding Officer:
Con
You are repeating yourself, Mr Rumbles.
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
If that is the best that the member for West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine can come up with, I suggest that he sit on his backside for the rest of the debate....
Rhona Brankin (Midlothian) (Lab):
Lab
The member said that other countries were building new vessels. If the SNP were in power, would it subsidise fishermen to do that at this juncture?
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
One thing that the SNP would not do is destroy the vast bulk of our own fishing fleet.Over the past three years, the Executive has introduced two aid package...
Ross Finnie:
LD
Would it not be more accurate to say that we have actually spent 85 per cent trying to conserve stocks so that there is a sustainable fishing industry?
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
One does not conserve the fishing industry by destroying it.The minister says that he needs to scrap vessels in order to secure two of the 15 days a month at...
Mr Rumbles:
LD
Disgraceful.
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
Despite what Mike Rumbles says, it is there in black and white in the committee's report, which was published last week.
Iain Smith (North-East Fife) (LD):
LD
Will Richard Lochhead give way?
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
I want to continue with my speech.The SNP's amendment on the decommissioning scheme would ensure that any such scheme would be sensible. The minister must do...
Ross Finnie:
LD
On what basis does the member tell us that the 180 dedicated white-fish vessels amount to only 15 per cent of Scotland's fishing effort on cod?
Richard Lochhead:
SNP
If the minister dedicates £40 million to decommissioning and gives no alternative to the fleet but bankruptcy, there will be applications for decommissioning...