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Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Chamber
27 Jun 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
As the Parliament moves into its third budgeting cycle, it increasingly seems like it is summer time, therefore it is the stage 1 budget debate. I dare say that it is a key annual date. I am sure that Jamie Stone has it pencilled in his diary, as he is so enthusiastic.One of t...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Jun 2001
Budget Process 2002-03
We are at the end of stage 1 of this year's budget process—a process which is becoming more familiar to us all. The Finance Committee was again ably assisted by Professor Ashcroft—to whom thanks are due—and by the clerking and research staff. I welcome Alasdair Morgan, in his ...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
11 Feb 2003
Budget Documents 2003-04
I agree that although, increasingly, we have large documents with lots of numbers in them, sometimes the information they contain is not particularly accessible, especially to the wider public. Originally, we tried to produce a short, snappy view of the Scottish budget. I know...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
30 Apr 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I want to ask about capital investment. Last week, we heard that COSLA would like an extra £4 billion for capital expenditure and I know that you are introducing the new prudential framework. Will the new prudential regime allow local authorities to increase significantly the ...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
29 Oct 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
You said that there are record resources in local government, and the increase of four times inflation for 2003-04 certainly sounds a huge improvement on what authorities have seen in previous years. How will the Parliament be able to judge whether the extra revenue that is re...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Chamber
25 Jan 2001
Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to be able to take part in this afternoon's debate, which I consider to be one of Parliament's more important debates, as it concerns the expenditure of the best part of £20 billion. That is a lot of money in anyone's book. We are now in the third and final part o...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2002
Budget Process 2003-04: Stage 2
The debate brings us to the end of stage 2 of this year's budget process. It has been an interesting morning. Thoughtful contributions have been made by many members—even those who were out late last night.This is the third full year of the complete budget cycle. The cycle con...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Intermediary Technology Institutes
It is nice to be back in the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee, if only temporarily.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Intermediary Technology Institutes
Good afternoon, Janet. I am sorry that I missed your presentation, although of course I have had the benefit of hearing it once or twice before.To a certain extent, Adam Ingram has covered the area that I wanted to talk about. A significant investment is being made, which I ho...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Intermediary Technology Institutes
I have another question about companies' being able to access R and D funding. An issue related to proof-of-concept funding, which has been hugely successful, has been flagged up to me. I understand that proof-of-concept funding can be taken up only by higher education institu...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Intermediary Technology Institutes
You are probably aware that, as an Aberdeen MSP, I am most interested in the energy ITI. Yesterday, Brian Wilson announced the results of the energy review and made some very significant statements about future United Kingdom energy policy. He talked about moving towards using...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The Finance Committee has previously talked about some of those issues. Committees need to be encouraged strongly, when they are not dealing with extra available resources, to identify where they want to move money from. They must be clear about where they want to spend less. ...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The Equal Opportunities Committee was one of the committees that was critical of the budget process last year. It raised its inability to identify some of the gender aspects in the budgets. In our previous guidance to committees, we asked them to focus in on those aspects a li...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I agree: the Equal Opportunities Committee can produce a paper, but the instruction to the subject committees has to come from the Finance Committee.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I support that suggestion. I have mixed feelings about the value of appointing Finance Committee reporters to subject committees. In the first year or two of the Parliament's existence, that might have been more worth while because members were unfamiliar with the budget proce...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The other committee whose remit covers major items of spending is the Education, Culture and Sport Committee.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Well, we were all thrown out last time.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I am sure that this issue was investigated, because there were difficulties. Perhaps the situation has changed, but reporters were not allowed to stay during private committee sessions.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I think mainly just two: local government and health.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Probably.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I would not disagree, but I am not sure whether that comes under the heading of a cross-cutting review. Might it be better to consider it as an option for an inquiry and build on what the Social Justice Committee and Donald Gorrie have done? There are several different aspects...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
When the committee has discussed cross-cutting issues, two have come up time and again—drugs and the money that is spent on rural issues. It might be worth examining drugs, given that we have never held such an inquiry before, that we are not sure how we want to progress, and ...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
26 Feb 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Another issue that I wonder about is modernising government. Quite a lot of money is being spent on that but—as the committee has noted previously—it is not obvious from the budget documents how the money is being spent.
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
21 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Before I ask my questions, I suggest that Stuart Duffin look at the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee's current inquiry. Articulation agreements are very much a part of its remit.My questions centre on two issues. Although all the witnesses have discussed different as...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
21 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I am also a member of the Local Government Committee and I wanted to pick up on one aspect of its response. The Local Government Committee finds it difficult to make any real contribution to the budget process because the information that it needs is split across all the diffe...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Pilot schemes have been mounted recently to extend broadband into remote and rural areas, particularly in the Highlands and Islands. Is Orkney part of those pilots?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
There are two aspects to the question. Part of the modernising government programme addresses the issue of joint procurement across the public services. I am not sure to what extent Orkney is participating in that exercise, as the pilot for satellite broadband is a BT initiati...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
To what extent did you get the feeling that lack of access to broadband was a significant hindrance to economic development or to sustaining existing economic activity?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Is the situation similar to that in relation to fishing? I understand that the Scottish fisheries minister is always present at EU fishing negotiations. Where Scotland has a primary interest, the Scottish fisheries minister becomes, in effect, the lead minister.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Brian Adam has comprehensively covered what was discussed. Some common themes came out that were highlighted in the reports that we heard from the other two groups. For me, one of the common themes was how key transport is to everything. Transport issues pervade many different...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The low unemployment rate has been mentioned. Is that partly because people emigrate simply because of low wages?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
The committee has talked a lot about outcome-based budgeting, which some of your predecessors discussed with us. Do you remain fully committed to moving budgeting for Scotland in that direction? Although putting that in place is a long-term process, will outcome-based budgetin...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I want to pursue the issue of accountability. Now that we are examining the Scottish budget in much greater detail than was previously the case, it has become obvious that very large tranches of money are, in effect, handed over to single organisations, local authorities, heal...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I saw that leaflet. Its content and style were perhaps part of the problem.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
23 May 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
We have talked a lot about transport today; all the witnesses raised transport as an important issue. As you will know, minister, allocating resources is a difficult thing. Do you think that you have the balance right between urban and rural and remote areas? In islands such a...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
24 Sep 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Have you looked at the train times from Aberdeen to the Kyle of Lochalsh?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
24 Sep 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
If it is possible for me to travel on Monday morning, I will probably do so.
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I apologise for missing your introductory remarks, gentlemen, and I am sorry if I ask a question that you have already answered.Much has been said recently about demographics, support for skills and the requirement to keep skilled people in Scotland. What are your views on tha...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Oh, thank you. Sorry, I have lost my thread of thought.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
No, I wanted to ask about 21st century government. Does not part of that involve doing things in new ways and facilitating new technology with a view to substantial cost savings? For instance, in the past 10 to 20 years, the private sector has achieved substantial cost savings...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
I will backtrack ever so slightly. We talked a bit about Aberdeen's Accord card. To make the best use of information when rolling out such a service throughout Scotland with a view to the creation of a Scottish electronic card, will you base that service on the pioneering work...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
My question is on exactly the same issue that Alasdair Morgan was pursuing. Are you the main drivers for rolling out broadband across Scotland? Do you provide the impetus from the Government or the Scottish Executive for that initiative?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
So it is not within your unit's remit to ensure that X per cent of the Scottish population has access to broadband by a certain date.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Is the enterprise and lifelong learning department responsible for that?
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
05 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
My final question is about the pathfinder areas. As I understand it, the objective of the strategy was to aggregate public sector demand and to negotiate with private suppliers to find out how they might be able to roll out broadband in specific areas. Is the strategy making g...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
18 Nov 2002
Budget 2003-04
In the third workshop, a range of organisations representing many of the public and voluntary sector groups—including the Highland Council, Highland NHS Board, Skye and Lochalsh Council for Voluntary Organisations, Sabhal Mòr Ostaig and Lochalsh and Skye Housing Association at...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
18 Nov 2002
Budget 2003-04
As I understand it, the proportion of elderly people in the population has increased by 4 per cent in the past 10 years and in Highland, particularly where we are today, the proportion is up by 12 per cent. The finance director of the NHS board said quite clearly that the Arbu...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
18 Nov 2002
Budget 2003-04
I would like to raise some of the issues that have often been raised by the Local Government Committee on how we scrutinise local government budgets for specific policy areas such as transport and education, for which the GAE figures are not split out. I am sure that other mem...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
18 Nov 2002
Budget 2003-04
I have a question about the current mechanisms for distributing European funding. Hugh Allen, who represents Mallaig and North West Fishermen's Association, spoke this morning about the change from PESCA to the FIFG. The PESCA arrangements seemed to make it relatively straight...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
19 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
Although there is increasing frustration that committees are simply discussing the budget process instead of budget choices and priorities, the argument itself is circular. It is difficult to have meaningful scrutiny of budget choices if the underlying process and reporting ar...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
19 Nov 2002
Budget Process 2003-04
It might assist the next committee, if it decides to embark on the course that we are talking about, if we came up with some thoughts about what is rural and what is not rural. You can think of about three definitions off the top of your head. The Highlands sort of rural area ...
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
28 Jan 2003
Budget Setting and Financial Scrutiny
As the convener says, the report is interesting. Longer planning horizons have been discussed on and off over the past three or four years. Are you suggesting that in order to fit in with the spending review, which has undoubtedly caused a number of difficulties in scrutiny of...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
28 Jan 2003
Invitation
It is important that the committee be represented. If the convener is able to take up the invitation, he should attend.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
11 Feb 2003
Holyrood Project
Do the builders move out at the end of November? Does the management of the building then move away to a large extent from the project management team that is building it? The management will then fall to you, because it is beginning to be run as the parliamentary complex.
Elaine Thomson (Aberdeen North) (Lab): Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
I would like some more detail on a number of points. Article 2(5)(b), which applies to the Scottish Executive environment and rural affairs department and relates to schedule 2 to the act, shows an increase from £21.4 million to £431 million, which is obviously very substantia...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
I hope that that will make things more straightforward and easy to follow.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
I am pleased to hear that.There is an increase under article 2(5)(g) from £5 million to £250 million. That relates to the Scottish Executive development department.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Subordinate Legislation
Article 2(5)(o) shows an increase from £633 million to £816 million. That applies to the finance and central services department.
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Cross-cutting Reviews
It would be helpful for us to make recommendations, but it will be up to the new committee to decide what it wants to do.I suggest the economic development option and also potentially the sustainable development one. I have sat on both the Finance Committee and on the Enterpri...
Elaine Thomson: Lab Committee
25 Feb 2003
Financial Scrutiny Review
I am looking at the proposal for the spending review in paragraph 31 of Arthur Midwinter's paper. Am I right in thinking that you are proposing that, instead of a fairly intensive stage 1 and stage 2 under our three-stage budget process, the bulk of the subject committees' wor...
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Chamber

Plenary, 27 Jun 2002

27 Jun 2002 · S1 · Plenary
Item of business
Budget Process 2003-04
As the Parliament moves into its third budgeting cycle, it increasingly seems like it is summer time, therefore it is the stage 1 budget debate. I dare say that it is a key annual date. I am sure that Jamie Stone has it pencilled in his diary, as he is so enthusiastic.

One of the innovations that were introduced by the Finance Committee two years ago was increased consultation with Scotland outside Edinburgh. One of the benefits that that affords is the opportunity to see different parts of Scotland in the summer, when they look at their best.

This year, the Finance Committee took evidence from a range of organisations in Orkney. A clear message was received by the committee, and no doubt by the Minister for Finance and Public Services, about the issues that affect Orkney. In particular, we heard how transport is becoming ever more important and how the adequacy or otherwise of transport links impacts on almost every aspect of island life. It is vital that the Parliament understands clearly how issues affect communities, in particular when deciding on something as crucial as the Scottish budget. It matters how the budget is constructed and how priorities are made.

For the financial year 2003-04, the Scottish budget has continued to increase in real terms. Over the three-year period 2001-02 to 2003-04, TME has increased in real terms by 6.6 per cent, or £1.3 billion, which gives us a total budget of £22 billion. The Scottish Executive has made clear its priorities for spending—investing to provide effective public services and building an infrastructure in Scotland that is fit for the 21st century.

Significant steps are being taken by subject committees to scrutinise the budget. Advisers are assisting each committee and members of the Finance Committee have acted as reporters on the subject committees to assist them with the budget process. As has been said, increasingly large numbers of witnesses are participating in the budget process, either via the subject committees or this year, for the first time, directly with the Finance Committee. We took evidence from the Scottish Trades Union Congress, the CBI, some economic specialists and the Scottish Civic Forum.

This year, for the first time, we are beginning to move away from presentational issues towards discussing and making recommendations on budget choices. However, a number of issues remain that relate to the timing of the budget process and events that occur subsequent to the publication of the budget documents. Iain Smith raised some of those issues and spoke about how they impact on local government. The budget documents are published and a number of events then happen which, however welcome, have an impact on the information that is available to the Parliament. This year, there were consequentials from the UK budget. Yesterday, extra resources were made available as a result of this year's EYF. Later this summer, there will be the 2002 spending review. All those will affect the stage 2 budget process, as extra resources are added to the Scottish budget. That has led the Finance Committee to make recommendations on having more information about baseline figures. New financial proposals should come forward with more information about outputs.

This year, as a result of the UK budget, some 50 per cent more resources will be available to spend on health. The Scottish Parliament information centre briefing, which was ably prepared by Murray McVicar, makes it clear that that will add a further £224 million in financial year 2003-04 and £858 million in 2004-05, and that that will rise to an extra £3.2 billion in 2007-08. The Finance Committee discussed the proposals for the increased health budget in Orkney and whether health budget consequentials should go into health, but not necessarily straight into the NHS budget. The committee welcomes that approach and accepts that it is a Scottish solution to a Scottish problem and wholly consistent with the principles of devolution.

Increasingly, committees are producing more thoughtful and detailed reports on budget issues. The Health and Community Care Committee, for example, has made it clear that there are still issues to do with the transparency of the health budget and the need for the publication of health board allocations and budgets to aid that transparency. Mary Scanlon raised some of those issues this morning.

The Finance Committee has made further recommendations in respect of health that relate to delaying the implementation of the Arbuthnott formula to general medical services as a result of problems in the rolling out of the McCrone settlement. I look forward to seeing what happens.

Other committees are coming forward with different budgeting options. The Local Government Committee, for example, is concerned about the implications of national insurance increases. This morning, Alex Neil made proposals on the enterprise and lifelong learning budget and Alex Fergusson outlined clear proposals in respect of the rural development budget to support the Scottish fishing industry. Christine Grahame discussed the need for greater funding for the justice portfolio.

The Finance Committee and I welcome the minister's continued willingness to work effectively with the subject committees and the Finance Committee to discuss and understand issues and to help the Parliament to move towards outcome-based budgeting, which members have mentioned. I think that we all agree that we wish to go in that direction.

I also welcome the minister's commitment to continue to work towards equality proofing the budget. The committee is keen on the development of clearer definitions and on the development of a mechanism to ensure that the equality strategy is reflected in budgeting allocations. The committee and I look forward to the outcome of the discussions that the Executive will hold with the Equal Opportunities Committee and the results of the work of the equality proofing advisory group and others who are interested in the area, such as Engender. It is clear that instant solutions in that area, as in many other areas, are not available.

Whatever its faults, the Scottish budgeting process is at the leading edge of budgetary processes that are used by Parliaments. A lot of time and effort is going into the Scottish budget process on the part of many people within and outwith the Parliament. Increasingly, it is building a sound basis for the scrutiny of financial decisions that I am sure will grow and develop. As Jamie Stone and others have mentioned, the level of scrutiny that is possible now is several light years away from what was possible in pre-devolutionary years. As Jamie Stone said, input from ordinary people is vital. That, together with the ability of the budget to deliver for the people of Scotland, will be one of the touchstones for the success of the Scottish Parliament and I commend this year's budget report to the chamber.

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