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Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
24 Sep 2015
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On behalf of Labour members, I thank the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the witnesses who contributed to our stage 1 consideration. On 7 March 2008 the justice secretary at the time, Kenny MacAskill, announced a review of the Fatal Accidents and Sudden...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 Dec 2015
Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill
As we have heard, the bill was introduced almost two and a half years ago, in June 2013. It has gone through a number of transformations in that period. It was brought to Parliament to implement many of the recommendations of Lord Carloway’s review of Scottish criminal law and...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
28 Jan 2016
Succession (Scotland) Bill
During stage 2 consideration of amendments, the Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs said that he was glad to get away from the Justice Committee for a while. I suspect that fellow members of the Justice Committee will agree with me that we were pleased not to have ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the clerks and the witnesses for their efforts in bringing a lot of issues to the committee’s attention during the stage 1 process. The Scottish National Party manifesto in 2011 stated that the party would “remain committed to ending automatic early release once the ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
10 Dec 2015
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill
As we have heard, fatal accident inquiries into the circumstances of deaths are undertaken in the public interest in order to determine the time, place and cause of death and to establish whether lessons can be learned in order to prevent similar fatalities in the future. They...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 Oct 2015
Apologies (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On behalf of Scottish Labour members, I thank the clerks to the Justice Committee and the witnesses who gave evidence on the bill, and I congratulate Margaret Mitchell on bringing her bill to this stage. In particular, I congratulate her on her recognition of the importance to...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2010
Marine (Scotland) Bill
The Marine (Scotland) Bill is vital and its significance should not be underestimated. The marine area is essential to biodiversity, to food supply, to energy generation and to sequestering carbon—the seas dissolve CO2, so they are an extremely important carbon sink. It is no ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab) Lab Chamber
09 Mar 2011
Reservoirs (Scotland) Bill
The bill’s passage through Parliament has been relatively fast. It was introduced only five months ago, and the stage 1 debate was only six weeks ago. That is rather unfortunate, as it rules out the possibility of my simply repeating the speeches that I made at that stage. Peo...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
29 Oct 2009
Marine Scotland Bill: Stage 1
Scottish Labour supports the principles of the Marine (Scotland) Bill and welcomes many of its provisions. However, in our view, the bill could be improved and strengthened in parts by amendment at stage 2. As Maureen Watt said, that is also the view of the Rural Affairs and E...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
25 Feb 2016
Criminal Verdicts (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As Michael McMahon said, I lodged an amendment to his motion, and I am disappointed that the Presiding Officer did not select it for debate. I will nevertheless speak to the amendment’s intentions, although there is no possibility of a vote on it. Michael McMahon introduced h...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
28 Jan 2004
Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Like others, I am disappointed that the discussion of this important bill was interrupted by a somewhat infantile display of gesture politics. I am glad that we have managed to recover and get back to matters that are important to many young people and their parents. Like Robe...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
13 Sep 2006
Adoption and Children (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The media have tended to describe the bill as controversial, but it has been widely welcomed by organisations that represent children's interests, although I know that such organisations will propose to us several amendments for stage 2, which we will consider carefully.I will...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
11 Mar 2014
Tribunals (Scotland) Bill
Several members commented on the uncontentious nature of the bill and the fact that it attracted little public interest. However, we all agree that it introduces regulation into an important part of the justice system that, as my colleague Graeme Pearson said, enables individu...
Elaine Murray Lab Committee
02 Jun 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I appreciate Margaret Mitchell’s concerns, which are reflected in some of the evidence that we have received. However, there are two things that I am not really sure about. I know that the proposals were originally supposed to be amendments to the Criminal Justice (Scotland) B...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
19 Jan 2016
Apologies (Scotland) Bill
There is probably not a great deal more to say about this short bill at this stage that has not already been said, so I apologise for any repetition. Margaret Mitchell is to be congratulated on bringing her member’s bill to this final stage—shortly, I am sure, to become law. ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Nov 2015
Succession (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As has been said, this bill was not considered by the Justice Committee, and I was completely unaware of its provisions until last week. I have not read through the almost 200-page Scottish Law Commission report of 2009, but I suspect that the Scottish Government’s approach of...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
26 Feb 2009
Marine Bill Consultation
This is an important topic for debate. It has come to Parliament early in the process; both Liam McArthur and Jim Hume made the point that members have not yet seen the Government's response to its consultation, still less the draft bill. However, this being environment week, ...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
12 May 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the member for that—I simply highlight the need for clarity on that issue of concern. As we have heard, many witnesses were concerned about the lack of specific reference in the bill to child victims. The counter-argument is that child victims are already covered by e...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
23 Jun 2015
Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Margaret Mitchell lodged an amendment in the same terms at stage 2 and, as I said then, I am not quite certain what it is in the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Bill that has to receive royal assent before the Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Bill can proceed. Although...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
24 Sep 2015
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Indeed—and I think that there was a recent case of that type. However, an example does not provide a definition. In that case, the public interest is easier to understand, but there are other cases in which what the public interest is is less easy to understand. As Patricia Fe...
Dr Murray: Lab Chamber
19 Sep 2001
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry—I need the time to develop my arguments. Although Mike Watson has said that his intention in introducing the bill was to end cruelty, I believe that it is a mistake to predicate that on the use of dogs. The evidence that was taken by the committee convinced most of ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
19 Dec 2012
Water Resources (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The debate has been mainly consensual, even though we have been invited to envisage Stewart Stevenson discharging water, and despite the fact that the Conservatives take a different view from other members on the value of retaining Scottish Water in the public sector.It makes ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
07 Oct 2014
Courts Reform (Scotland) Bill
On Radio Scotland this morning, the bill was described as an important reform of the civil justice system, which it is. The bill has had a long gestation period. In 2007, my good friend Cathy Jamieson, as the then Minister for Justice, invited Lord Gill to review the civil c...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 May 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The act to abolish slavery in the United Kingdom was passed in 1883. However, each year around 50 to 100 people are imported into Scotland to live in a modern form of slavery: people who are constrained and exploited for financial gain by those who traffic them. Human traffick...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2015
Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I congratulate Jim Hume on introducing the bill and commend the Health and Sport Committee for its scrutiny of the bill at stage 1. I am pleased to speak in support of both the bill and the Health and Sport Committee’s suggestions in its report. I know many other people who wi...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
27 Oct 2015
Apologies (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The debate has been short but interesting, and many important points have been made—and, in some cases, repeated. I hope that the fact that we are having a debate on the bill might in some way contribute to the cultural change that is required to enable apologies to be made th...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
01 Oct 2015
Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Bill
I am delighted to be closing the debate for Scottish Labour as parliamentary consideration of this very important bill comes to its end. I, too, pay tribute to Jenny Marra, whose proposals to legislate prompted 45,000 responses on the issue from across the world and were descr...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
07 Jan 2016
Lobbying (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Unlike others who have taken part in the debate, I am not on the committee that considered the arguments on the bill, but I read the SPICe briefing and the committee’s stage 1 report with interest. As others have said, lobbying is an acceptable activity; indeed, it is a neces...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
28 Jan 2016
Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the clerks, as well as the witnesses who gave written and oral evidence at stage 1. Two parts of the bill were more contentious than the rest: judicial directions and whether the provisions about the distribution of intimate photographs without consent ought to be ex...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
26 Nov 2014
Programme for Government 2014-15
I am glad that I am going to be a sexagenarian next month; that makes me feel a lot better about it. I congratulate the new Cabinet Secretary for Justice and the new Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs—who is in the chamber—on their new roles. The First Minister ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Nov 2014
Human Rights
Scottish Labour welcomes this debate on human rights. We have not lodged an amendment to the Government’s motion because it does not require to be amended. We welcome the endorsement of the UK Labour Government’s Human Rights Act 1998 by the majority of members in the chamber...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
19 Nov 2015
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
On behalf of Labour members, I thank the committee clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre, the witnesses who gave oral evidence and those who gave written evidence. The bill will replace the current system of eight regional community justice authorities, or CJAs—t...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
24 May 2000
National Parks (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I too welcome the bill, which has been 55 years in arriving and fulfils one of Labour's manifesto commitments at the Scottish parliamentary elections. It has been a very interesting experience being a reporter at stage 1 of this bill, and I want to thank the conveners of the T...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
23 Nov 2000
Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am overcoming a bout of laryngitis, and hope that I can find my voice today. A politician without a voice is something akin to a fish out of water.The minister mentioned a number of rivers where salmon fishing is important; it is also important on the Nith, the Annan and the...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
05 Sep 2001
Scottish Executive's Programme
There has been scepticism in some quarters that the Scottish Executive would deliver on its commitment to land reform. I am therefore pleased to hear the First Minister say that the land reform bill will be introduced in the next year. Land reform is an important, and in some ...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
01 Apr 2004
Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Bill
I welcome the fact that we have reached the final stage of the bill. The bill has been a long time in gestation, not only in the committee but in the consultation periods before that, so I hope that it will succeed in being passed without the qualification of the amendment.I c...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Mar 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill
Like many others, including members of the Finance Committee and the Education Committee, I came to stage 1 of the bill with significant concerns because of the issues that had been raised, especially by the voluntary sector, and most of all by groups representing the interest...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
13 May 2009
Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Bill
Point taken, Presiding Officer.The Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Bill transposes into Scots law the provisions of a European Union directive. Many members will have witnessed the distress that floods have caused our constituents. The legislation will not prevent flooding fr...
Elaine Murray: Lab Chamber
04 Feb 2010
Marine (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
This area of the bill is a little contentious. I hope to be able to give an explanation of the intention behind amendments 41 and 22 and provide reassurance to the local authorities that have expressed concern about them.The amendments were prompted by the majority conclusion ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 Jan 2011
Reservoirs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Labour members, too, support the general principles of the bill, which requires all reservoirs with a capacity of more than 10,000m3—we were told that that is four Olympic swimming pools—that lie above the natural level of any part of the surrounding land to be risk assessed a...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
27 Jan 2011
Reservoirs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Peter Peacock referred in his speech to John Scott’s role on the committee, given his experience as a civil engineer. I concur with those remarks: John Scott exhibited an enthusiasm for the bill that was possibly not mirrored by all his colleagues on the committee, and he cert...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
08 Sep 2011
Scottish Government’s Legislative Programme
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Excuse me, I have a mint in my mouth—I did not realise that I was about to be called. Laughter.In the area of rural affairs, climate change and the environment—which is covered by the committee on which I sit—a couple of bills were mentioned in th...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 Feb 2013
Water Resources (Scotland) Bill
The bill has not changed a great deal since the stage 1 debate at the end of the December, which makes it a bit difficult to think of anything terribly new to say about it. I did my best to protract the amendment stage—obviously without a great deal of success.The bill is not ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
07 Nov 2013
Tribunals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Scottish Parliament has, over the years, debated many bills that have attracted significant media and public attention. Bills have given the entitlement to permanent housing to the unintentionally homeless, banned smoking in public places and foxhunting and, more recently,...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Mar 2014
Tribunals (Scotland) Bill
I, too, thank the witnesses who provided evidence by writing to and attending the Justice Committee. I also thank the committee clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the legislation team, who always provide invaluable assistance with drafting amendments. We do...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
27 May 2015
Assisted Suicide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Like many members, I have been thinking long and hard about how I should vote tonight, and in doing so, I am grateful to constituents who have contacted me to describe their or their family’s experiences and to express their views. I am also grateful to the Health and Sport Co...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
14 Jan 2016
Scottish Fiscal Commission Bill: Stage 1
I congratulate the Finance Committee on the considerable amount of work that it has undertaken, not just on the bill, which was introduced at the end of September, but on its report on proposals for a Scottish Fiscal Commission almost two years ago and its visits to Stockholm ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
11 Feb 2016
Community Justice (Scotland) Bill
On behalf of Scottish Labour, I thank the clerks, the witnesses, the legislation team, Scottish Government officials and the minister for their contributions to the development of the bill since it was introduced last year. The bill has changed considerably since its first dr...
Dr Murray: Lab Chamber
07 Dec 2006
Adoption and Children (Scotland) Bill
I will come to that, and I support that position. However, it is not what the bill is about.The bill is about increasing the opportunities for those children who are no longer able to live with their birth parents to become part of a stable and loving family in the broadest de...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
22 Jan 2009
Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As Angela Constance and others have said, there can be few more distressing and frightening experiences than the serious flooding of one's home. Unfortunately, an increasing number of residents are suffering that experience as a result of climate change, and the trend is likel...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
07 Nov 2013
Tribunals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank the member for his intervention. That was along the lines of some of the suggestions that were made to the committee, and I think that we will be keen to pursue some of those later. Although we all think that we know what a tribunal is, that is not good enough when we ...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 Dec 2013
Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Bill
Scottish Labour will support the bill at decision time. We believe that the bill will make a positive difference to the experience of victims and witnesses during criminal investigations and proceedings. However, as others do, we believe that the bill could have gone further.I...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Committee
31 Oct 2006
Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill<br />and<br />Education (School Meals etc) (Scotland) Bill:<br />Financial Memoranda
We are looking today and next week at both bills: the Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Bill from the Executive and Frances Curran's Education (School Meals etc) (Scotland) Bill. We will be asking Frances about her bill next week, but I am not quite clear whe...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
19 Sep 2001
Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
When the bill was originally proposed, I expected to support it. I did, however, undertake to listen to the views of my constituents and to the evidence that was presented to the then Rural Affairs Committee. The proposals generated much correspondence—as one might expect—expr...
Dr Murray: Lab Chamber
19 Nov 2003
Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is what the Tories tell us, but I have no evidence of that, other than that the Conservatives like to say it. Part of what we must tackle is the perception of and fear of crime. We should encourage people to stand up for themselves and their communities, to report crime a...
Dr Murray: Lab Chamber
24 Jun 2004
School Education<br />(Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have no idea what the member said in Latin, because I do not speak it. However, I do not see how an individual child whose education might be suffering or their parents can be reassured by the suggestion that the local electorate will somehow sort things out for them.The bil...
Dr Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 Jan 2007
Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
As a member of both the Finance Committee and the Education Committee, I approached the bill with a number of significant reservations on the basis of the evidence that the Finance Committee had taken.The Finance Committee was concerned about the number of individuals who seem...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
07 May 2009
Climate Change (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I, too, am pleased to take part in the stage 1 debate on the bill, which is widely considered to be very important.I will concentrate on waste strategy. Although the Minister for Environment stated yesterday that she assumed that the lack of major comment on the bills proposal...
Elaine Murray (Dumfries) (Lab): Lab Chamber
10 Feb 2010
Control of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I speak as a dog lover who has had the pleasure of owning several dogs over the course of my life. I also speak as someone who has twice received hospital treatment due to attacks by dogs—not my own dogs. I was a signatory to the bill, and I have watched its progress with inte...
Elaine Murray Lab Chamber
23 May 2012
Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am a bit surprised that Mr Stewart does not think that Mr Swinney would have been well able to do that had he attended the conference.We need to pass the bill to enable work to be carried out on introducing the legislation that will cover the areas of devolved competence, pr...
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Meeting of the Parliament 24 September 2015

24 Sep 2015 · S4 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

On behalf of Labour members, I thank the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the witnesses who contributed to our stage 1 consideration.

On 7 March 2008 the justice secretary at the time, Kenny MacAskill, announced a review of the Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths Inquiry (Scotland) Act 1976, which was to be conducted by the Rt Hon Lord Cullen of Whitekirk, a former Lord President of the Court of Session. A debate took place in the Scottish Parliament on 27 March 2008, led by the Lord Advocate, during which members of all parties expressed concern over the functioning of the 1976 act. Lord Cullen reported in November 2009, but it took until 2011 for the Scottish Government to publish its response, and it took a further three years for it to publish a consultation on proposed legislative change, which it did in July 2014. The Government bill was finally introduced on 19 March this year, five and a half years after Lord Cullen had reported.

The Justice Committee agreed to the general principles of the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill, which takes forward some, but not all, of the recommendations of Lord Cullen’s 2009 report on his review of fatal accident inquiry legislation. However, that was not the only bill to address the recommendations. While the committee took evidence on the Government bill, it also considered the alternative approach that was offered by Patricia Ferguson’s member’s bill: the Inquiries into Deaths (Scotland) Bill.

Members who, like me, sat in this Parliament in 2004 will recall the support that Patricia Ferguson gave to her constituents who were affected when ICI’s Stockline Plastics factory exploded on 11 May 2004, with the loss of nine lives. Her experience of supporting her constituents and her frustration at the lack of action by the Scottish Government following Lord Cullen’s review in 2009 led her to draft a proposal for a member’s bill in August 2013 and, following consultation, to introduce her bill in November last year.

The Justice Committee’s stage 1 report makes reference to the member’s bill and the ways in which it differs from the Government bill, but it does not make recommendations about the member’s bill. Instead, the committee published a shorter stage 1 report on Ms Ferguson’s bill and it anticipated that both bills’ stage 1 debates might take place on the same day. I do not know whether we made a formal recommendation to that effect, but it certainly seemed to be the favoured way forward when we discussed our reports on both bills. I understand, however, that Scottish Government officials thought that it might be too confusing for members to consider two bills that cover the same area of policy on the same day. In the Justice Committee we frequently have more than one bill before us on the same day.

Labour members are disappointed that we are not debating both bills on the same day. I tabled an amendment to the stage 1 motion on the general principles of the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill, which reflected the Justice Committee’s recommendations on how proposals in the two bills might be considered together. Unfortunately my amendment was not selected for debate today, despite assurances from the chamber desk that it was competent.

The current legislation—the Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths Inquiry (Scotland) Act 1976—limits mandatory fatal accident inquiries to deaths in work-related accidents or deaths that occur in legal custody. The Lord Advocate has discretion to decide not to hold a mandatory FAI into deaths in work-related accidents or deaths that occur in legal custody if the circumstances of the deaths have been established during criminal proceedings. If it is in the public interest and lessons can be learned to prevent similar deaths from occurring in future, the Lord Advocate can also decide to hold a fatal accident inquiry in other circumstances if a death is sudden, suspicious or unexplained.

The bill does not take forward a number of Lord Cullen’s recommendations. For example, he recommended that the scope of the bill be extended to include children who die in residential care, other than secure accommodation, and deaths of people during compulsory detention by a public authority.

The Scottish Human Rights Commission agreed with Lord Cullen that fatal accident inquiries should be mandatory for deaths of persons who are held in mental health detention. However, in a case in which the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland’s investigation had established the circumstances of the death, the Lord Advocate would have discretion not to hold a fatal accident inquiry. Families against corporate killers agreed with the position of the Scottish Human Rights Commission, considering that people who are held in compulsory detention are amongst some of the most vulnerable.

In order to keep families informed of progress, Lord Cullen suggested that an initial early court hearing be held shortly after the reporting of the death to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. In evidence to the Justice Committee, he went even further and suggested that an earlier meeting take place to inform family members about process and timescales. However, the status that such a meeting would have was unclear, and, given that the Solicitor General’s recently published milestone charter should cover the information that would be included in such a meeting, the committee felt that this early meeting would not add anything.

Under the bill, fatal accident inquiries remain mandatory where someone dies in a work-related accident or in legal custody; the mandatory category is extended to children who are kept in secure accommodation; and discretionary fatal accident inquiries are extended to deaths abroad where the body is repatriated. A number of witnesses including the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers, which represents workers employed at sea, argued that the bill should give the Lord Advocate discretion to hold an FAI without the body being repatriated, as lessons could still be learned in such circumstances. We welcome the Scottish Government’s response that it intends to lodge an amendment at stage 2 to allow the Lord Advocate discretion to permit a fatal accident inquiry in some circumstances when it has not been possible to retrieve the body. We also welcome the provisions in the bill that enable an FAI to be reopened under certain circumstances.

As has been mentioned, a strange anomaly was uncovered during the bill’s consideration as a result of evidence from a member of the public. I think that it came as a surprise to committee members and the ministers that fatal accident inquiries cannot be held for service personnel on active service who die in Scotland, even though in England and Wales coroner’s inquests can be held in such circumstances. We were advised that that was because service personnel are appointees of the Crown, not employees. I welcome the minister’s announcement that the UK Government is considering what I think is called a section 140 amendment, because of the reserved aspects, and I hope that the matter will soon be resolved to enable the families of service personnel who die in Scotland to have the death of their loved one investigated in the same way that it would be if the person had died in England and Wales.

Addressing delays in holding fatal accident inquiries and keeping families informed of progress were major concerns for committee members, who heard a number of possible routes in that respect. Bereaved families should be central to the fatal accident inquiry process and they and the appropriate trade unions and staff associations must be kept informed and enabled to participate. The draft milestone charter, which has already been referred to, sets out commitments to bereaved families on the timescales by which certain communications with families should take place at various stages in the process. Bereaved families must be better included in the inquiry process and I look forward to the stage 2 amendments that, as the minister indicated, will place the charter on a statutory footing and improve accountability to families.

In its briefing on the bill, the Law Society voices concern that Lord Cullen’s recommendation regarding the provision of legal aid to families without their having to demonstrate reasonableness is not reflected in the bill. It points out that because FAIs are fact-finding inquiries in the public interest they can be very complex and families might be in particular need of legal advice.

The Government bill requires that, where the Lord Advocate decides not to hold an FAI, whether it be discretionary or mandatory, written reasons be provided to families on request. In its stage 1 report, the committee recommended that the requirement that the information be requested be removed and that the information be provided to families as a matter of course.

Lord Cullen suggested that the Scottish Government publish sheriff’s recommendations, and the Government bill proposes that that be done via the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service website, instead of the Scottish Government publishing the material itself. However, it is not clear on whom the duty to monitor the implementation of such recommendations would rest. That is a particular concern; for example, in its briefing, the Law Society comments that no sanction appears to be proposed against parties that fail to comply or co-operate with the sheriff’s recommendations.

Patricia Ferguson hoped to address the matter in her bill by enabling a sheriff to make legally enforceable recommendations where appropriate; in other words, the party at which the recommendation was aimed would be within Scottish jurisdiction and the recommendation would be capable of being enforced. As currently drafted, Ms Ferguson’s bill does not make that as clear as it could be but, during the committee’s evidence-taking session on her bill, Ms Ferguson mentioned amendments to the bill, and I think that that would have been the effect of those amendments. If that solution is not enforceable, we urge the Government to consider how enforceability can be strengthened under its own proposals, because we believe that that is still an omission in the bill that will lead to the distress of families whose loved ones have died in those particular circumstances.

Scottish Labour will vote for the bill at stage 1, but we do so very much in the hope that some of the suggestions that have been made by our colleague Patricia Ferguson in her bill will be included as amendments at stages 2 and 3.

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I welcome the opportunity to speak as convener on behalf of the Justice Committee, which is the lead committee considering the bill. As members are aware—I r...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
Did the committee look at the definition of what is in the public interest? In my experience, the definition is drawn so narrowly that issues that people fee...
Christine Grahame SNP
No—I think that it would be very dangerous for us to interfere with the independence of the Lord Advocate, who takes the decision on what is and what is not ...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
Like the committee convener, I would welcome that move. However, does she agree that the final report of perhaps a yearly return should be laid before the Pa...
Christine Grahame SNP
I return to what I said as a caveat at the beginning of my speech, which was that I speak with my convener’s hat on. Members have that on the record but I ca...
Elaine Murray (Dumfriesshire) (Lab) Lab
On behalf of Labour members, I thank the clerks, the Scottish Parliament information centre and the witnesses who contributed to our stage 1 consideration. ...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the stage 1 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. I thank the many witnesses for their valuable contr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Lab
We are fortunate to have a little time in hand, so I can allow speeches of a generous six minutes. 15:12
Roderick Campbell (North East Fife) (SNP) SNP
I apologise to the chamber for the fact that I will not be able to stay for the full debate because I have another pressing engagement. I refer members to my...
Patricia Ferguson (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, it is now seven years since the Scottish Government commissioned Lord Cullen to review the system of fatal accident inquiries, and it is so...
Christian Allard (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Fatal accidents and sudden deaths are unforeseen tragedies. It is hard to comprehend how families and friends can deal with the aftermath of such tragedies. ...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow Pollok) (Lab) Lab
We all recognise the importance of the debate. I congratulate Patricia Ferguson in particular on all that she has done to drive the agenda. I do not think th...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to participate in the stage 1 debate on modernising the fatal accident inquiry legislation. My experience of the system is in the context of th...
Patricia Ferguson Lab
I am grateful to the member for his comments and I sympathise entirely with him about the tragic constituency case that he is talking about. Will he therefor...
Willie Coffey SNP
I am keen to hear what the minister will have to say on summing up. I understand the explanations that have been given by the minister and others about the d...
Alison McInnes (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Fatal accident inquiries provide an important opportunity to find out what went wrong and, ultimately, to learn in order that we can prevent something simila...
Gil Paterson (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
The bill is yet another example of the Scottish Government’s—and Parliament’s—bid to implement progressive policies for the benefit of the people of Scotland...
Jayne Baxter (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
A discussion of fatal accident inquiries will inevitably be emotive. Families who have experienced the loss of a loved one often seek nothing more than an ex...
Bob Doris (Glasgow) (SNP) SNP
On 29 January 2009, Colin Love went for a swim beside a beautiful beach on Margarita Island in Venezuela. I have mentioned Colin previously in the chamber. H...
Margaret McDougall (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have just joined the Justice Committee, so I was not part of the bill’s stage 1 scrutiny. I have listened with interest to the debate, and I have found it ...
Mike MacKenzie (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
As a layperson—that is, a non-lawyer who is not a member of the Justice Committee—I do not propose to talk much about the technicalities of the bill. Instead...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Ind) Ind
The bill is technical but, as Mike MacKenzie eloquently highlighted, no one in the debate has lost sight of its human element. We would do so at our cost—it ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer Con
Before we move to the closing speeches, I invite all members who have taken part in the debate to join us for them. 16:32
Annabel Goldie (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, welcome the opportunity to speak in this stage 1 debate on the Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc (Scotland) Bill. It is clear that...
Elaine Murray Lab
Fatal accident inquiries are inquiries into the circumstances of a death that are undertaken in the public interest to determine the time, place and cause of...
Christine Grahame SNP
I will give a hypothetical example. Let us say that a young mother who is suffering from severe postnatal depression and who has not been given the appropria...
Elaine Murray Lab
Indeed—and I think that there was a recent case of that type. However, an example does not provide a definition. In that case, the public interest is easier ...