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Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 61 is an important one that deserves the support of Parliament. It applies a new maximum penalty for the few instances in which fisherpeople are convicted of contravening a marine conservation order or of committing offences relating to the protected features of natu...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 28 is about increasing the penalties for offences involving illegal pesticides. Members might recall that, at stage 2, I received cross-party support for increasing penalties for possession, and for causing possession, of illegal pesticides. Amendment 28 seeks to e...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
26 May 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
These amendments are about increasing maximum penalties and focus on offences relating to breeding sites and resting places, as found in section 1 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, and offences relating to illegal pesticides, as found in section 15A of the 1981 act. ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Scottish Labour robustly welcomes heavier sentences—of up to five years in prison and unlimited fines—for serious animal and wildlife crimes. We are supportive of all the recommendations of the ECCLR Committee, of which I am a member. I note for the record that its report was ...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The amendments in this group seek to extend the bill’s provisions on vicarious liability to certain offences under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 and the Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996. The offences referred to are not only heinous crimes of cruelty to wildlife; th...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
My amendments in the group seek to increase the penalties for wildlife crimes that involve the nesting, resting and lekking places of protected wild birds and animals. I have found out that lekking places are where birds do their lovely mating dances. The existing proposals d...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill
This is, indeed, an important bill, and it is right that penalties and powers related to the offences in the bill are brought into line with a more modern understanding of the severity of those offences. Scottish Labour understands that all animals are sentient. It also under...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
13 Jan 2016
“Wildlife Crime in Scotland: 2014 Annual Report”
On penalties, I want to highlight for the record something from the 2014 report that the panel will be only too well aware of. As regards wildlife crime offences, the report records that, of the 60 cases with a charge proved, there was one custodial sentence, there were four c...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
10 Feb 2016
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I listened carefully to what the cabinet secretary said. On the quite straightforward point on amendment 274 about there not being penalties, I thought that I would look at penalties in discussion with the cabinet secretary and others if he thought it appropriate to take forwa...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
06 Nov 2018
Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I want to follow up on what Paul Gray and Chris Wood-Gee have highlighted in relation to the public sector climate change duties, which we all know are now mandatory. The process was difficult, but that is where we are and I believe that it is the right place to be. It has bee...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Do the panellists have any comments on the need for any further interventions to support the application of appropriate penalties or to support broader compliance with the law, such as sentencing guidelines, enforcement, public awareness interventions or changes to the powers ...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The panel has already looked at the increase in penalties. Are there any comments about serious wildlife crime? I am interested in the implications for the investigation of wildlife crime of changes in the bill such as the change in statutory time limits and the potential abil...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
From an animal welfare perspective, what are the implications of the proposed increases to penalties for wildlife crime offences?
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
One of the tools that can be used is covert video surveillance. We keep highlighting the remoteness of areas, but that is very important in this context. As you will know, minister, stakeholders generally welcome the increase in maximum penalties, for a range of reasons, but p...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
17 Jun 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Although it is at a late stage, I will seek to withdraw amendment 28. However, I put on the record that sale and importation of illegal pesticides have, across the EU, become very serious issues that I hope will be addressed in other ways. I appreciate what the minister said...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 Jan 2021
Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I thank Emma Harper for bringing forward the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill. Scottish Labour fully supports the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s recommendations for the bill at stage 1. I identify myself with the remarks of my colleague an...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
14 May 2014
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 48 would confer on the Scottish ministers a duty to make provision on energy efficiency standards in the private rented sector. Ministers would set regulations that required landlords to adhere to a minimum energy efficiency standard, which would come into force by 1...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 May 2014
Wildlife Crime (Raptors)
The consensus on the eradication of raptor persecution and the strong words from the Parliament send a clear message to Scotland. It was a positive step when the Scottish Government produced the first “Wildlife Crime in Scotland” report in 2012. As the minister said in the for...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Apr 2015
Mandatory Public Sector Climate Reporting
I want to ask about the challenging issue of sanctions, penalties or whatever you want to call them. Obviously, there is awareness around the table and beyond that organisations are at different stages along their journeys. The committee would value comment on whether there is...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
27 Jan 2016
Fuel Poverty
No. I am sorry. I do not have time for interventions. As we have heard, the Scottish Government will not meet its 2016 target. I would be very interested to hear from the minister in her closing speech what the Scottish Government is going to be doing for the infrastructure p...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Feb 2016
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank Scottish Environment LINK and others who have a wide knowledge of the issues. I have also gained some knowledge of the issues through the work of the committee. It is disappointing that my amendment 119 is not going to be accepted. Although I understand what the minist...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
10 Feb 2016
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Good morning, cabinet secretary. My amendment 274 would allow the tenant farming commissioner to make a declaration or order when a tenant or landlord claimed that the rent review process breached a code of practice. The amendment makes provision for appeals in the interests ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Chamber
21 Dec 2016
Protecting Scotland’s Livestock
The cabinet secretary has sought to reassure those in the sector who are concerned about cross-compliance. In his statement, he said: “To ease the changeover ... I announced in September that we are taking a soft-landing approach during 2017 to encourage farmers to use the ne...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
05 Jun 2018
Round Table on Environment and Climate Change
It is about the Scottish courts, on which we have had a fairly wide discussion. Should the courts be able to impose sanctions and remedies in the shape of financial penalties on the Scottish ministers and public bodies in the event of a failure to properly apply environmental ...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
15 May 2019
EU Exit and the Environment
Will you comment on concerns that have been expressed, which I share, about the independence of any watchdog in relation to infraction and the ability to impose fines and penalties?
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Having been on the previous committee during the previous session of Parliament when the idea of extending the Scottish SPCA’s powers to wildlife crime was raised, I find it puzzling that it is not thought appropriate for the Scottish SPCA to be able to offer additional suppor...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes, but it might inform developments if the bill team could let us know that—if that is appropriate.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
With respect, from evidence that I have heard and from going out with people who are on the ground, I know that in South Scotland, the police—with the best will in the world—sometimes take a considerable amount of time to respond. Incidents happen in remote areas, where eviden...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I seek clarification whether, when it is alleged that a crime has been committed but no one has been directly prosecuted for it, it would still be possible for there to be a vicarious liability prosecution. Would court action be considered even in the absence of the perpetrato...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Yes—I want to turn to wildlife crime investigations and video surveillance. Given the nature of wildlife crime—it has already been highlighted that it is committed in remote areas, that the weather can affect the gathering of evidence and that evidence can be removed—the likel...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That was helpful. As you will know, the committee has heard previously that video surveillance could be important in gathering evidence and thereby enabling the prosecution of wildlife crime. However, there has been some debate about the admissibility of such evidence in cour...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
29 Oct 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful. Particularly with regard to third parties, has article 1 protocol 1 of the European convention on human rights, which concerns private property, been considered in relation to future developments? I am thinking about the issue in view of where we started with ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Although I have a substantive question, I will first ask Mr Radford about something that he just said. If I heard correctly, he said that negligence was an “unintentional” issue. From my layperson’s perspective, if a person—-an adult who has responsibilities—treats an animal i...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. That is helpful. I am keenly conscious of the time.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is it your view that there would have to be a direct prosecution of the alleged perpetrator, or would evidence of an alleged crime be sufficient?
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful; thank you.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It has been highlighted to me that there could be a conflict of interest in relation to the SSPCA. I make that point in a completely neutral way. We will be taking evidence from the SSPCA next week, but are there any quick comments on that? What would be the purpose of that?
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I ask the question because, in the previous parliamentary session, some people said that it could be seen as a conflict of interest. I do not understand why, and I have never managed to tease that out. I see that nobody has any comments.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I think that Runa Hanaghan said that animals are sentient beings and not property. That is an interesting remark, and I am simply trying to understand it. It connects to Stewart Stevenson’s question about whether compensation is really appropriate for a puppy farmer. That has ...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Okay, but it will be when Christine Grahame has done her member’s bill on that.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I understood that it was, but I stand corrected.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have touched on the SSPCA in relation to powers. As was said earlier, and as we all know, many of these crimes and alleged crimes are committed in remote rural areas. Are there any views on the possible alteration to and increase in the powers of the SSPCA in relation to wi...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
03 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I see that Libby Anderson wants to say something, and it might be more important for her to speak than for me to do so. However, I will just say that, as a layperson—I proved that earlier in the meeting—my understanding is that the opportunities for police surveillance are dif...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have been told that, in certain American states, if someone receives a sentence for a serious animal welfare crime, the information about that offender is passed to social services. I thought that that was interesting. Obviously, such a provision would not be in the bill, b...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will go back to the general licence situation that Mark Ruskell raised. As you and the lawyers will know, Scottish Natural Heritage withdrew a general licence from Leadhills estate. That is a civil issue, but I am perplexed about it so I am seeking clarification of the legal...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That would be helpful. Constituents who have approached me are concerned that the licence has been reinstated while an appeal is on-going. I do not understand why that is, so a response would be most helpful, thank you.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I was very pleased and relieved that, in the previous parliamentary session, vicarious liability was introduced for wildlife crime. As you will have seen, the committee has heard quite a lot of evidence on the matter and, outside of the committee, I have received correspondenc...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I asked the bill team this question, but I seek final clarification from you. Is it the case that, with regard to vicarious liability proceedings, there need only be evidence of an alleged crime on a landowner’s or company’s land, and that the actual perpetrator of the crime d...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My understanding is different, so I would really appreciate clarification. I may have misunderstood the issue, and I apologise if I have, but I understood that there had to be evidence of a crime on a landowner’s land, not that the person who committed the crime had to be known.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
So, in legal terms, evidence of a crime having taken place on a person’s or company’s land is not sufficient for a vicarious liability prosecution to proceed.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful. I have a further question on vicarious liability. Should nature conservation or welfare organisations have a right to request a review of any decision by the Crown Office not to bring a prosecution against a landowner in relation to a wildlife crime, in a sim...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
17 Dec 2019
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That is helpful.
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I absolutely agree. The SSPCA has highlighted that animals can have to wait for a decision on their fate for weeks, months or sometimes years, so that is of fundamental importance. In recommendation 51, the committee raised the issue of video surveillance relating to wildlife...
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Will the member accept an intervention?
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Could the member explain why he is uneasy about the alteration of powers, especially in view of what Mark Ruskell said and of the fact that the SSPCA has said that it already has powers in relation to animals?
Claudia Beamish Lab Chamber
12 Mar 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The minister may well be going to touch on this, but is she able to respond to Fisheries Management Scotland’s concerns about the iconic salmon species, either today or in the near future before stage 2?
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
26 May 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I thank those members who have contributed to the debate. If it is appropriate, convener, before I tell the committee my decision on my amendments, I want to comment briefly on Mark Ruskell’s amendment 95. A landowner would definitely know about the existence of badger setts ...
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
26 May 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I wish to withdraw it. Amendment 74, by agreement, withdrawn. Amendments 75 to 78 not moved.
Claudia Beamish Lab Committee
26 May 2020
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will not move amendment 98. I have noted the minister’s comments about possible discussions. Amendment 98 not moved.
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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid) 17 June 2020

17 Jun 2020 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Amendment 61 is an important one that deserves the support of Parliament. It applies a new maximum penalty for the few instances in which fisherpeople are convicted of contravening a marine conservation order or of committing offences relating to the protected features of nature conservation MPAs. I drew the amendment narrowly. I hear what the minister says about other marine protected features, but I focused particularly and deliberately on marine protected areas.

As with the amendments dealing with vicarious liability, I am talking about the few vessels that operate illegally and with disregard for those invaluable habitats and species.

I stress the word “habitats” as well as “species” because what is right for the land is also right for our marine environment. Marl beds, kelp areas and other protected areas are invaluable habitats. They are as valuable as the creatures themselves. There can be damage to the sea, just as there can be on land to the badger setts and the nesting and resting places that Parliament has already agreed to protect. It is high time that our sea creatures and habitats had the same respect and protection as those on land. Damaging the marine environment is no less of a wildlife crime than the destruction of a hen harrier nest.

Illegal damage to marine protected areas can mean the loss of precious habitats that took decades to establish and threatens our iconic biodiversity. I understand that the minister says the bill is about wildlife, but all creatures exist within habitats.

The measures to which amendment 61 refers are not overly punitive. They relate to serious damage, and the provisions seek to ensure that those who inadvertently cause damage would not be disproportionately punished.

I understand that members may be concerned because I am raising the issue for the first time at stage 3, but the amendment is analogous to the Scottish Government’s amendment 29 on the conservation of seals.

Before stage 2, I genuinely thought about how I might say something about the marine environment. I missed a trick. I should have thought about introducing the marine protected area amendment at stage 2, which I agree would have given more opportunity for discussion, but I thought about doing so only after stage 2. However, I consider the case to be very strong.

It is clear that the penalties issued in response to fishing in closed areas are inadequate as a deterrent. There have been multiple reports of vessels operating illegally in sites. In November 2018, there was wide reporting of the illegal damage to Loch Gairloch by two vessels. In July 2019, that happened again a few miles north in Wester Ross MPA.

I thank Open Seas and the Sustainable Inshore Fisheries Trust for their support with amendment 61. Open Seas states that part of the reason for repeat offences is that illegality is treated as a fisheries offence and not as a wildlife offence. Part of the offence in the amendment includes the intentional killing or injuring of animals in a protected area. It is hardly a stretch to say that that is committing a wildlife crime.

The Government guidance for penalties states that the level of fixed penalty imposed will reflect any financial gain. Other factors that can be taken into account in determining the level of fixed penalty are whether the stock in question is identified by commissioners as a recovery stock and whether the person has received a fixed penalty for the same category of offence. That cannot be right. In addition to the value of the stock, it has to be about the effect on the habitat and on the wildlife.

I recognise that the Government may think that the issue can be tackled by the roll-out of the inshore vessel monitoring systems to the entire fleet, but progress on that has been slow, and it looks as though it will continue to be slow. In addition, Marine Scotland’s resources are stretched.

As the minister highlighted when talking about taking action in the round, the inshore fisheries bill has now been shelved. We do not know when it will come, especially given the situation with Covid.

In light of the climate and environment emergencies, it would be very disappointing if the Government does not support this important shift on marine wildlife crime. Higher penalties are a much-needed deterrent to keep MPAs thriving.

Scottish Labour will support amendment 29, on the conservation of seals. That issue came to the committee in 2018, and I am not sure why we had to wait. We are where we are, although I hope that it is not because of US demands that we are only now considering the amendment.

We had intended to abstain on Mark Ruskell’s amendment 29A, but I understand that he will not press it. We have concerns about dolphins and other cetaceans, but I have concerns about that amendment for a number of reasons. The Fisheries Management Scotland briefing highlights the concerns about seals predating on wild salmon in our rivers. The issue is not only about fish farms as the minister has highlighted; it is also about wind farms and other installations.

In that context, it makes sense to support Mark Ruskell’s amendment 55, which seeks to place an obligation on the Government to report by March 2021, which is in only 10 months or so. We should really tackle the issue, and look at whether we should be banning acoustic deterrent devices altogether or at how we should otherwise progress matters. The issue is unresolved, and it needs to be tackled quickly.

We will also support amendments 55A and 55B, in the name of the minister.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Bill. Members should have the bil...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 1 is on animal welfare offences penalties. Amendment 32, in the name of Colin Smyth, is the only amendment in the group.
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I declare an interest as a proud member of the League Against Cruel Sports, the deputy convener of the cross-party group on animal welfare and the Scottish E...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
As we know, the overall objective of the bill is to increase the range of sentencing options in relation to animal welfare and wildlife offences. Therefore, ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Like Finlay Carson, we believe that at the heart of this bill is the desire to see cruelty towards animals and abuse of their welfare treated more seriously....
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
At stage 2, I said that I fully appreciated the aim of the amendment that Colin Smyth lodged on this issue, and I indicated my support for his intention. The...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 2 is on protecting dogs from unnecessary suffering: docking. Amendment 33, in the name of Mark Ruskell, is the only amendment in the group.
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I declare an interest, as I am an honorary associate member of the British Veterinary Association. It has been three years since Parliament partially reintr...
Gail Ross (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP) SNP
Mark Ruskell and I agree on a lot of things—including much of what is in the bill—but amendment 33 is not one of them. I find the heading of the proposed new...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the member give way?
Gail Ross SNP
Yes, absolutely.
Mark Ruskell Green
I understand the point about distress, but is it 300 times more distressing for an adult dog? That is what we are talking about. Three hundred puppies need t...
Gail Ross SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for that intervention, but I do not accept the argument that, because 300 puppies have to have their tails shortened, it is 300 times mo...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to be able to speak to amendment 33. As an owner of a working cocker spaniel, who has a full tail—even though he wags it so much that it bleeds...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I declare an interest as the convener of the cross-party group on animal welfare and I speak in support of Mark Ruskell’s amendment 33. I supported the same ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I speak in support of Mark Ruskell’s amendment 33. Previously, Scottish Labour has supported a ban on tail docking, and I agree that a ban will protect dogs ...
Liam McArthur LD
As Gail Ross said, we ran through this debate three years ago. Last time, the issue provoked a great deal of passionate argument on both sides, and that is t...
Finlay Carson Con
As we have heard, tail docking was banned in 2007 but, to bring the legislation in line with that in the rest of the United Kingdom, exemptions were put in p...
Mark Ruskell Green
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. Can I ask for your guidance on whether amendment 33 is outwith the scope of the bill?
The Presiding Officer NPA
That is a good question. The answer is that the amendment is within the scope of the bill.
Finlay Carson Con
I take on board your ruling, Presiding Officer, but the amendment is outwith the spirit of the bill. All the way through the bill process, we have been looki...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I start by refuting some of the claims that were made by Mark Ruskell, because they are absolutely outrageous and completely unfounded. No one has the ear of...
Mark Ruskell Green
It is welcome that the minister is listening to veterinary surgeons. Will she also address veterinary surgeons’ concerns that there is no certification of wo...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
We have significantly tighter legislation in Scotland. The decisions are down to the professional judgment of veterinary surgeons, and if Mark Ruskell was as...
Mark Ruskell Green
I press amendment 33. During the past three years, the Scottish Government has refused to monitor and review its own legislation. The policy was put in plac...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 33 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
As this is the first division of the afternoon, I suspend the meeting for five minutes and call members to the chamber. 16:23 Meeting suspended. 16:28 On r...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We will proceed with the division on amendment 33. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Beamish, Claudia (So...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 22, Against 56, Abstentions 1. Amendment 33 disagreed to.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Group 3 is on disqualification orders. Amendment 34, in the name of Maurice Golden, is grouped with amendments 35 and 63. 16:30