Chamber
Plenary, 11 Nov 2009
11 Nov 2009 · S3 · Plenary
Item of business
Scotland's Historic Environment
I will campaign for anything if Karen Gillon can help me to get the money, but at the moment my priority is the Waverley line. Let us get that built first, after nearly 50 years of it not running.
Currently, nearly 10 per cent of employment in the Scottish Borders is tourism related. At the top of the attractions are Melrose abbey, Abbotsford house and Jedburgh abbey—I know that Karen Gillon will not thank me if I do not mention that. In 2008, UK tourists brought £77 million and overseas tourists brought £29 million into the Borders economy. That is not to be sneezed at in an area that was in recession and where mills closed long before Gordon Brown's recession—that is a little party-political point just to see whether members are awake.
Not all our historic environment is suitable to be a tourist attraction and we should not wish it to be. The demise of the weaving and spinning mills and of the paper mills in Penicuik means that vast stone-built mills stand empty, sometimes for far too long. However, I am pleased to say that at the riverside at Selkirk, new enterprises are rising phoenix-like from the metaphoric ashes of Borders industries that are—regrettably—dying.
I would like the minister to examine the use of compulsory purchase orders. Some of the long-deserted derelict buildings that are in commercial property developers' hands are a huge blight on towns. At the entrance to Gala from the A7 from Edinburgh stands a big mill that has been derelict for 10 to 15 years and which only now has a sign that says it is available for development. That is another issue that Karen Gillon raised, but we are not in cahoots. The matter needs to be addressed.
I return to Penicuik and beyond. Newtongrange has a successful mining museum and will be linked with the Waverley line, which will stop there and link into a tourist trail. The line, which is still clear from the A7, is part of our built and historic environment, as is the viaduct at Newtongrange. We must not think that the historic environment is just buildings.
Many historic houses and lands are in not just commercial but private ownership. I am really pleased that Traquair house near Innerleithen is still in the Maxwell Stuart family's hands. It is utterly charming and is very much a family home, as visits show. The property is one of the oldest inhabited houses in Scotland.
I will raise another issue for the minister to consider, just to see whether he is listening. Sometimes, a community becomes aware too late of the value of an historic construction such as a building, a mill or a salt house for which a planning application has been lodged for demolition. I understand that, once a planning application has been lodged, the community and everybody else is barred from seeking to have the building listed, albeit retrospectively, and cannot even halt proceedings. If a building is not listed, people have had it. I have chased that issue before. Will the minister advise me of the current position? Would his office consider examining the situation?
Windows provide a metaphorical example of what we sometimes allow to happen to our built and historic environment. As shorthand, I will talk about sash and casement windows versus C R Smith—I mean no offence to C R Smith, but I know that it does not fit sash and casement windows. We are being sloppy as a society when we allow what appear to be minor alterations to buildings—sometimes just to one building in a row—to spoil an area's built landscape. Some councils are tight about that—the matter tends to be local—but I would like the issue to be addressed nationally.
Currently, nearly 10 per cent of employment in the Scottish Borders is tourism related. At the top of the attractions are Melrose abbey, Abbotsford house and Jedburgh abbey—I know that Karen Gillon will not thank me if I do not mention that. In 2008, UK tourists brought £77 million and overseas tourists brought £29 million into the Borders economy. That is not to be sneezed at in an area that was in recession and where mills closed long before Gordon Brown's recession—that is a little party-political point just to see whether members are awake.
Not all our historic environment is suitable to be a tourist attraction and we should not wish it to be. The demise of the weaving and spinning mills and of the paper mills in Penicuik means that vast stone-built mills stand empty, sometimes for far too long. However, I am pleased to say that at the riverside at Selkirk, new enterprises are rising phoenix-like from the metaphoric ashes of Borders industries that are—regrettably—dying.
I would like the minister to examine the use of compulsory purchase orders. Some of the long-deserted derelict buildings that are in commercial property developers' hands are a huge blight on towns. At the entrance to Gala from the A7 from Edinburgh stands a big mill that has been derelict for 10 to 15 years and which only now has a sign that says it is available for development. That is another issue that Karen Gillon raised, but we are not in cahoots. The matter needs to be addressed.
I return to Penicuik and beyond. Newtongrange has a successful mining museum and will be linked with the Waverley line, which will stop there and link into a tourist trail. The line, which is still clear from the A7, is part of our built and historic environment, as is the viaduct at Newtongrange. We must not think that the historic environment is just buildings.
Many historic houses and lands are in not just commercial but private ownership. I am really pleased that Traquair house near Innerleithen is still in the Maxwell Stuart family's hands. It is utterly charming and is very much a family home, as visits show. The property is one of the oldest inhabited houses in Scotland.
I will raise another issue for the minister to consider, just to see whether he is listening. Sometimes, a community becomes aware too late of the value of an historic construction such as a building, a mill or a salt house for which a planning application has been lodged for demolition. I understand that, once a planning application has been lodged, the community and everybody else is barred from seeking to have the building listed, albeit retrospectively, and cannot even halt proceedings. If a building is not listed, people have had it. I have chased that issue before. Will the minister advise me of the current position? Would his office consider examining the situation?
Windows provide a metaphorical example of what we sometimes allow to happen to our built and historic environment. As shorthand, I will talk about sash and casement windows versus C R Smith—I mean no offence to C R Smith, but I know that it does not fit sash and casement windows. We are being sloppy as a society when we allow what appear to be minor alterations to buildings—sometimes just to one building in a row—to spoil an area's built landscape. Some councils are tight about that—the matter tends to be local—but I would like the issue to be addressed nationally.
In the same item of business
The Presiding Officer (Alex Fergusson):
NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-5160, in the name of Michael Russell, on Scotland's historic environment, a unique resource for our econo...
The Minister for Culture, External Affairs and the Constitution (Michael Russell):
SNP
Today's debate, as we have just been so powerfully reminded, takes place exactly 90 years after the first time that we stopped together to remember those who...
Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
Hear, hear.
Michael Russell:
SNP
I am glad that Mr Brocklebank agrees with me.I draw attention to the groundbreaking and important castles initiative, which represents a whole new way of wor...
Jamie Stone (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD):
LD
Perhaps I speak for my colleague John Farquhar Munro when I ask the minister whether, given what he just said, he would care to comment on Castle Tioram.
Michael Russell:
SNP
It is important to recognise that when decisions are made, they are decisions for that time and within the policy. The opportunity to make new applications a...
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD):
LD
Poor Irene.
Michael Russell:
SNP
Mr Smith is making an ungallant remark from the front bench, from which I would like to disassociate myself if it was picked up.The Carrick/City of Adelaide ...
Irene Oldfather (Cunninghame South) (Lab):
Lab
I have said many things about the minister in the past, most of which could not be repeated in the chamber, but I believe that he has a genuine interest in p...
Michael Russell:
SNP
I will be happy to listen to genuine solutions. If it is possible to make progress, we will do so. Given the number of years that have passed, I think that t...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I call Ted Brocklebank, who has a loose nine minutes.
Ted Brocklebank (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con):
Con
In the spirit of consensus to which the minister referred, we will support not only the Government motion but the Liberal Democrat amendment.Scotland is fort...
Christopher Harvie (Mid Scotland and Fife) (SNP):
SNP
It strikes me that we are omitting what is possibly the most impressive Scottish building of the lot, which was deroofed in an act of straightforward vandali...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Is this an intervention or a speech, Mr Harvie?
Christopher Harvie:
SNP
It could be termed a speech, but as I was not placed to speak in the debate I will relish just a few seconds longer.
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
Could you hurry up, please?
Christopher Harvie:
SNP
I commend to Mr Brocklebank, at least for the longer term, the idea of putting a roof back on Linlithgow palace and in that way restoring one of Scotland's f...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
We have extra time available, but it does not all need to be taken up in one intervention.
Ted Brocklebank:
Con
I thank Christopher Harvie for his intervention. It seems a bold and praiseworthy plan—in line with the thought of putting the roof back on St Andrews cathed...
Michael Russell:
SNP
I have a feeling that a number of members will mention Castle Tioram. I heard Mr Rumbles rebuke me for not intervening earlier, but rather than intervene dur...
Ted Brocklebank:
Con
I am happy to leave it at that.I make no apology for returning to another example of Historic Scotland's apparent lack of judgment. Interested members might ...
The Presiding Officer:
NPA
I call Iain Smith. You may have a similarly loose nine minutes.
Iain Smith (North East Fife) (LD):
LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am delighted.I have had terrible visions of what I might see when I look out at Salisbury Crags from the chamber, given Mr Ru...
Michael Russell:
SNP
Tavish Scott. Laughter.
Iain Smith:
LD
This is one of the strangest motions that Parliament has been asked to debate in my 10 and more years as a member. We are asked to welcome"the enthusiasm, pa...
Michael Russell:
SNP
Crail is an interesting case. It illustrates two points, one of which is that blanket conservation and scheduling do not work. Fortunately, several parts of ...
Iain Smith:
LD
That is the point that I was about to make. We have at least moved forward and are preserving only what needs to be preserved of the key buildings and the si...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow Kelvin) (Lab):
Lab
"Scotland's Historic Environment—A Unique Resource for Our Economy". Like Iain Smith, I looked for the punch line in that happy motion. On further investigat...
Michael Russell:
SNP
I agree strongly with Pauline McNeill's comments and would go further. One of the strongest reactions at the summit—I know that Iain Smith is desperate for a...
Pauline McNeill:
Lab
I am pleased to hear that.One dimension of collaboration that might be addressed only in the context of the historic environment—I am sure that I do not need...