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Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab Chamber
28 Apr 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Usually when we consider change in legislation on any issue, areas where there is confusion become clearer and areas where there are controversies become more or less controversial. That is life in the Scottish Parliament. The experience of the Legal Services (Scotland) Bill h...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
21 Mar 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 10 proposes that the court should take account of whether the debtor has had the opportunity to obtain legal or financial advice before the court hearing. It would allow the court to consider whether the court process should continue before the debtor has obtained le...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Oct 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) (Bill)
Like other members, I would like to thank everyone who has taken part in the parliamentary process of the bill, including the clerks and all the people who gave written and oral evidence to the committee. As our convener Bill Aitken said, all the members of the committee know ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Chamber
20 Jun 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendments 10 and 11 have different effects, so I will deal with each in turn.We discussed the proposals in amendment 10 at stage 2. The amendment proposes that the court should take account of whether the debtor has had the opportunity to obtain legal or financial advice befo...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The committee received written evidence from Douglas Mill, a former chief executive of the Law Society and the director of professional legal practice at the University of Glasgow's law school, in which he raised concerns about the independence of the legal profession and said...
Cathie Craigie Lab Chamber
30 Sep 2010
Tribunal System Reform
We—and many of the voluntary organisations in my constituency—have concerns about that, but those must be addressed by implementing a system that offers people the opportunity to go before a tribunal with confidence and to be able to cope with the process. When people go to tr...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have written evidence from a host of interested individuals who represent different parts of the Scottish legal profession. One submission suggests that, if the bill is passed in its present form,"the independent Scottish legal profession as we know it will ... be in danger...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Your written submission talks about the benefits of alternative business structures, such as increased choice, reduced prices, better access to justice, a more consumer-focused service, greater convenience and increased consumer confidence. That all sounds very upbeat, but peo...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will move on swiftly, because I am conscious that the clock is ticking. I do not want to get on the wrong side of the convener on our first day back in 2010.The Law Society gave evidence to the committee on 15 December. It suggested that if the bill is not enacted, big Scott...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 Apr 2002
Housing Improvement Task Force
I, too, welcome the task force report and acknowledge the good work that the task force has undertaken.The report sets out a number of key issues that we should address. Like Robert Brown, I hoped that, as the task force was composed of experts who came together to put their k...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
06 Sep 2005
Scottish Executive's Programme
I am pleased to take part in this afternoon's debate. In outlining the Executive's programme up to 2007, the First Minister has set out a vision of a strong and ambitious Scotland where opportunities are available not only to a few but to us all, regardless of our background o...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
11 Mar 2008
Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The Judicial Appointments Board will be composed of judicial members, who will be appointed by the Lord President, and legal members and lay members, who will be appointed by the Scottish ministers. The Sheriffs Association submission mentions concerns among your members that ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I will be as concise and quick as I can be, convener. What evidence is there that the existing regulatory approach is not working? Do we need a fully independent regulatory body for the legal services market in Scotland that separates the representative and regulatory functions?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
08 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It seems like you have a foot in every camp in the legal profession, Professor Paterson. The Law Society's opinion on the whole issue changed considerably in the space of a year or so. Have you any idea why solicitors were able to come together in that way to change their view?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Is there a danger in the bill that outside ownership might lead to law firms offering only profitable legal services to the exclusion of less profitable work?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We are picking up a concern in the written evidence that we have had so far. A few years ago, the "Tesco" word was tripping off everyone's tongues—large organisations might come in and mop up all the profitable work, which would affect the smaller high street firms. Such firms...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The granting of one licence for the whole of Scotland might produce an imbalance. One licence might make it easy for people to deal with their legal needs over the telephone or by going to Edinburgh or Glasgow. I apologise if I am taking a wee step back, but why are we going i...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good afternoon, panel. Is there a danger that outside ownership will mean that law firms offer only profitable legal services? Will you highlight some of the less profitable services that might suffer?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2009
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In the case of smaller high street firms, is it legal aid and family law things that will suffer, as Mr Scanlan suggested?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sorry that I do not have the working group's recommendations to hand—I think that I have them somewhere on my desk, but I do not want to be rude and fumble through my papers as we hear your evidence. I do not think that you can pick and choose from the group's recommendat...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have had a look at Unite's submission. Is it your concern that the passing of the bill would create an open door for people to provide legal services purely for profit rather than for other motives? Are you worried that they would be motivated by profit?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My question is directed primarily at Consumer Focus Scotland. In its written submission, it reminds us that it"works to secure a fair deal for consumers in both private markets and public services"and states that"While producers of goods and services are usually well-organised...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What is going wrong with legal services just now? Why is there a need for the legislation?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a question for Sarah O'Neill. In evidence to the research working group on the legal services market, Consumer Focus's predecessor organisation—the Scottish Consumer Council—highlighted the areas of wills, trusts and executries and employment law, particularly as it aff...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
You said that you do not have any evidence to allow you to comment in detail on the issue. Was there any evidence from consumers in particular that the changes that are proposed in the bill are needed? I have asked that question before. Did your organisation consult, or have a...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We discussed this issue briefly earlier. Your submission suggests that a fallback, compromise position would be that there could be minority investment by non-lawyers in a law firm, up to a maximum of 25 per cent. How would that work in practice? Would it protect the public by...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
05 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
In your submission and in your evidence this morning, you have highlighted the importance of the public interest, public access to justice and the independence of legal services providers. Will the public interest be well served if the bill is enacted in its current form?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
My concern is that, if people move elsewhere, the test might throw out of business some smaller firms that serve communities. You mentioned the public consultation. I agree that the issue is not keeping our constituents awake at night and that they are not rushing to members' ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
What will happen if the licensed provider tells people to stop writing so many letters and to do the work more cheaply? How long will it take for that to surface? If an individual is motivated more by profit than by the desire to deliver legal services, what will happen if the...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Clearly, the minister believes that benefits will flow to consumers if the bill becomes an act. What categories of users of legal services are likely to benefit most from the MDPs?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
How would you respond if the legal professionals themselves wanted a system similar to that of the accountancy professionals, whereby 50 per cent or 25 per cent—we will not argue about what the percentage should be at the moment—of the principals in a firm should be solicitors.
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
A major change is proposed to the way in which lawyers and legal firms operate. Are you saying that if we had more than one regulator, we could have different sets of regulations? For example, one regulator might have the power to say, "There must be 50 per cent solicitors," w...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I have a question about section 92 in chapter 3—this is the most appropriate point at which to raise it. Paragraph 202 of the explanatory notes states that section 92, on membership of the council, gives"the Scottish Ministers a power to specify, by regulations, additional cri...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
This is quite an important point, so I will pursue it further. As I said, paragraph 202 of the explanatory notes states that section 92 amends the 1980 act to give"Scottish Ministers a power to specify, by regulations, additional criteria which must be met by non-solicitors".I...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 Jan 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
No, but could they be debarred from acting as a non-lawyer proprietor of a legal services firm?
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
27 Sep 2005
Private Bills
I agree that the proposal would be an improvement for everyone involved. As other members have said, it is not necessary to have a full-blown inquiry. The important issue for me is that we get legal advice that what we endorse is within the spirit of the law. I am happy to hea...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
22 Nov 2005
Private Bill Committee Assessors
I, too, have concerns. I checked the Official Report of our first discussion on this issue, when we took evidence from Margaret Curran, Tavish Scott and civil servants. The ministers were supported by two of the most senior legal civil servants—I cannot remember their titles, ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Committee
20 Sep 2000
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill
I thank the committee for giving me this opportunity to give evidence on my member's bill. I have circulated a briefing paper that highlights the main aspects of the bill. The explanatory notes to the bill are also a good guide to the aims of the bill.When I was a councillor o...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
04 Oct 2000
Housing Bills
On that point, it is not unusual for members' bills to get support from the Executive, or from the Government, and for the member to get assistance with drafting—this may be the second or third case in the Scottish Parliament. I can assure the committee that I checked this out...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Committee
06 Dec 2000
Charity Law Review
I want to ask about the information, advice and guidance services that the SCVO provides—we touched on that earlier. You advocate that much of the legal advice and guidance should be sought from a registrar, perhaps working on the same basis as the body that exists in England ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
25 Apr 2001
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I accept what the minister says and I oppose amendment 92. From experience, I know that the existing legislation and guidance work. They work very well where local authorities work hand in hand with Women's Aid, without having to look to court decisions or any legal remedy to ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Committee
03 Oct 2001
Voluntary Sector Inquiry
I echo Robert Brown's thanks for the work that you and the commission have undertaken. Your presentation has helped to shed some light on the recommendations.I return to the suggestion of new legal forms for charities. You mentioned that in your presentation but did not expand...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
18 Jun 2002
Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Bill:<br />Stage 1
Perhaps you could pass it on to your colleagues that the committee and voluntary organisations have suggested such rebates as a serious way of helping people out of debt and poverty.The Scottish Association of Law Centres and the Legal Services Agency Ltd expressed concern abo...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
17 Jan 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to move the motion at stage 1 of the Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill. I thank all those who have assisted me to prepare and lodge the bill. In particular, I thank those who have supported the measure, many of whom are here this afternoon and without whom the bill ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Chamber
17 Jan 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am tempted to use up the remaining time allotted to this debate on the Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill, but I will try to contain myself to responding to some of the points that have been raised. It is not often that back benchers get this amount of time to speak in the cham...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Chamber
20 Jun 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
This group of amendments provides partners—whether they are of the same or the opposite sex—with the right to apply to the court in certain circumstances. It also ensures that section 1(3A), which requires the consent of the debtor or proprietor and the non-entitled spouse bef...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
20 Jun 2001
Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill
It has been a pleasure and a privilege for me to have introduced the Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Bill, which, when enacted, will benefit many thousands of people and households in all parts of Scotland. Throughout the stages of the bill, I have been heartened by the Parliament ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
11 Jun 2008
Legal Profession
I thank the cabinet secretary for his statement. I expected to be informed about the Government's position in more detail, but other than the cabinet secretary's announcement that the Government will begin work as soon as it gets the parliamentary time, the rest of the stateme...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
04 Sep 2008
Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006 (Breach)
As a member of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, I would like Parliament to know that I regret the way in which the matter has been handled. To allow a complaint to drag on for almost 10 months is unacceptable to the member involved, to the complaina...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
02 Apr 2009
Antisocial Behaviour Framework
I am pleased that the Scottish Government recognises that antisocial behaviour blights the quality of people's lives and should not be tolerated. However, I am deeply disturbed that the Government is content simply to act in the media, rehash what we already have and stand by ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Chamber
08 Oct 2009
Civil Justice
I am pleased to take part in this important debate. In 2007, Cathy Jamieson was right to identify the need to change and modernise our civil justice system. She was also right to recognise that that could not be achieved quickly or by someone without experience and in-depth kn...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab Chamber
06 Oct 2010
Legal Services (Scotland) (Bill): Stage 3
The answer to Mr Thompson’s question is that this is democracy and stage 3 consideration of the bill. Richard Baker is perfectly entitled to lodge amendments on any subject relating to the bill.I support amendment 46A, in the name of Richard Baker, and encourage members to do ...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab Chamber
03 Feb 2011
Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this stage 1 debate. I begin by outlining my support for the general principles of the bill, which the cabinet secretary has introduced. Of course, I also want to emphasise the importance of protecting the rights of all our constituents. T...
Cathie Craigie Lab Committee
15 Mar 2011
Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010
The 2010 act also provides that a constable may delay a detained person’s access to legal advice in “exceptional circumstances”, but it does not define “exceptional circumstances”. Can you explain what you understand “exceptional circumstances” to mean?
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab): Lab Committee
25 Feb 2004
Companies (Audit, Investigations and Community Enterprise) Bill
The UK Government has stated that its aim in providing for CICs is to give more options to social enterprises that wish to use the legal form of a company. However, there is confusion among members today about where the provision is going and whether there is a need for it. Fr...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
12 May 2004
Antisocial Behaviour etc (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I am not at all persuaded by Bill Aitken's argument in support of his amendment 8, which seeks to delete section 37. He said that there is existing legislation to deal with the matter and pointed to the offence of breach of the peace, which is the catch-all offence. He is know...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
15 Dec 2004
Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
The committee is receiving mixed messages on this matter. Indeed, when we took soundings from charitable organisations throughout the country, they asked whether OSCR should simply be a regulator or whether it should be able to provide legal or other advice. We certainly seek ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
16 Mar 2005
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I suppose that what a landlord would require to do when they were applying for registration would be to tick a box to say that they were aware of the legal obligations.
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
19 Apr 2005
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Earlier, you gave two or three examples of the kind of person who might have difficulty paying for the survey, such as an elderly person who has to sell up and move on and who does not have the money for the survey up front. Is that not something of which the legal profession ...
Cathie Craigie: Lab Committee
25 May 2005
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Why do I feel that the ball keeps getting kicked back into my court?The bill allows for HMO licences to be given for a three-year period. Previously, the licences were given for a period of up to three years. Witnesses have mentioned that that allowed local authorities the fle...
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Meeting of the Parliament 28 April 2010

28 Apr 2010 · S3 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Craigie, Cathie Lab Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Watch on SPTV

Usually when we consider change in legislation on any issue, areas where there is confusion become clearer and areas where there are controversies become more or less controversial. That is life in the Scottish Parliament. The experience of the Legal Services (Scotland) Bill has been no different, but the bill could bring major change to the delivery of our legal services. It is clear that the profession is divided on the way forward and that the Government and we in the Parliament must ensure that the concerns that have been expressed are heard and properly considered. We should not attack people whose views differ from ours.

We should remember that the most important outcome is to ensure that all of us—regardless of where we live or how much we have in our pockets—have access to justice. To have that, people need to be able to access an independent solicitor.

We may be where we are because of the super-complaint that was made on consumers’ behalf, but the committee received little evidence that the public had been consulted on the matter and no solid evidence that the public would get a deal financially or otherwise, leaving me with concerns that the complaint was brought in the interests not of the public but of the big business model.

Encouraging business is not a bad thing—it is good to have a playing field that allows our legal profession to compete in the international market—but it must not be at the cost of destroying the profession’s confidence. A one-door approach to legal, financial and accountancy services may seem attractive to some, and modernisation of our system may be due, but there are too many ifs, buts and maybes to rush through the measure. If the Parliament agrees to allow the bill to progress, the next stages cannot be rushed to meet the Government’s timetable—we need to get this right.

The issue of the so-called Tesco law has split opinion in the legal profession in Scotland. John McGovern, president of the Glasgow Bar Association, has been quoted as saying:

“The professional interests of high street solicitors are clearly different to the professional interests of big commercial firms.”

That is true. The needs of small communities and individuals for legal services must also be considered.

There is a case for saying that a number of smaller, independent firms could be overshadowed by the larger conglomerates. The problems that are faced by the main street butcher or baker when a new superstore opens nearby are similar to the problems that small solicitors firms could face. With the possibility that cheaper legal advice could be acquired along with the out-of-town weekly shop, it is understandable that more small partnerships are venting their concerns. There are viable arguments on both sides, but a number of the fears that have been put forward are fair and need to be aired.

That is not the only potential flaw in the bill. Another relates to the plans to allow those without links to the legal profession to hold majority stakes in law firms. To me, that is fundamentally wrong. There is a chance that felonious individuals, entrenched in organised crime or the drug trade, would invest and become the majority owners of legal practices. As a consequence, legal services providers could become puppets to Scotland’s criminal underworld, leaving our lawyers compromised as a result of dodgy investors. It may sound like something out of a Hollywood gangster movie, but those in the organised crime trade are not stupid: if they see an opportunity to gain access to the respectability of a firm that is providing legal services, they will pounce on it. The minister mentioned the fit-to-own test. The test that we have heard about so far is not right. There are questions that need to be asked, answered and fully examined during the bill’s next stages.

Scotland’s legal system is unique. Our approaches on many issues are different from those in the rest of the UK. Sometimes that is good and sometimes it is bad, but it is clear that our legal profession is deeply divided—so much so that Ian Smart, who has been doing a good job as the president of the Law Society of Scotland, stated recently that relations could be “unbridgeable”. I do want to disagree with him, as he happens to be one of my constituents, but I hope that in this instance he is wrong and that a resolution can be found. However, the fact is that there is no consensus. The tone of the minister’s speech this afternoon did not do anything to take matters forward. Like Robert Brown, I hope that the minister will think on that.

We must remember that our job is to ensure that the bill gives the best deal to both solicitors and clients, who are our constituents. We must listen to both sides. I am against tampering with the traditions of our legal services on a major scale. As has been pointed out, there are many areas that the Scottish Government must iron out.

In principle, I am willing to support the bill proceeding to stage 2, as are other members who have spoken in the debate. However, I have substantial reservations and I think that the Justice Committee will have a big job to do before we can bring the bill back to the Parliament as one that is worthy of support and of progressing into statute.

We have a job to do—there is a lot of work to be done. I do not think that we should try to keep to the timetable of the Government or of business managers. The committee needs time to deal with the next stages of consideration in a competent manner.

16:15

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Alasdair Morgan) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S3M-6168, in the name of Fergus Ewing on the Legal Services (Scotland) Bill. 15:13
The Minister for Community Safety (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I am delighted to open the debate on the general principles of the Legal Services (Scotland) Bill. At the heart of the bill is the removal of current restri...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
The minister will agree that a significant part of the legal profession, particularly smaller firms, do not exactly share his enthusiasm for the bill. What a...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I will address that matter specifically later. I will say now simply that the experience abroad in another jurisdiction—although that jurisdiction is not ide...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
The minister is discussing the benefits of the bill. Earlier, he said that the bill would result in “tens of millions of pounds” being saved. How does he f...
Fergus Ewing SNP
My reference to saving tens of millions of pounds is based on the fact that the cost of the Legal Services Board is, as I understand it, circa £4 million to ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Perhaps the minister could draw his remarks to a close. You will get another shot at the end.
Fergus Ewing SNP
I just have two paragraphs to go, Presiding Officer. We also plan to lodge other amendments, including provisions relating to McKenzie friends and regulatio...
Bill Aitken (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I am pleased to present the Justice Committee’s stage 1 report on the bill. At the start, the committee took the view that this would be a relatively non-con...
Richard Baker (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
In reforming our legal services sector in Scotland, the first principle must be access to justice—maintaining it and improving it. In changing the law with a...
David McLetchie (Edinburgh Pentlands) (Con) Con
I find it interesting to reflect on the fact that only a few months ago the Parliament completed its consideration of the Tobacco and Primary Medical Service...
Robert Brown (Glasgow) (LD) LD
As has been said, the bill raises complex issues. The divided view among solicitors has made assessment of its merits particularly difficult for the Justice ...
Nigel Don (North East Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As usual, I do not want to spend too much time repeating what colleagues have already said. Instead, I will look at one or two issues and perhaps offer a few...
Robert Brown LD
On the question of ethics, does Nigel Don accept that writing all that down in the bill is one thing but imbuing it right through the legal profession is som...
Nigel Don SNP
I take Robert Brown’s point, although I would also make the point that those who have trained as lawyers have those ethics, in exactly the same way that thos...
Cathie Craigie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (Lab) Lab
Usually when we consider change in legislation on any issue, areas where there is confusion become clearer and areas where there are controversies become mor...
Stewart Maxwell (West of Scotland) (SNP) SNP
As other members have indicated, the examination of the Legal Services (Scotland) Bill at stage 1 has been somewhat complicated by divergent views among the ...
Cathie Craigie Lab
The member, as a committee colleague, has asked questions on and taken an interest in these issues. However, what comfort can I take from the debate, given t...
Stewart Maxwell SNP
I do not quite know where Cathie Craigie is going with that argument. The argument here is about the ability to identify individuals who may—improperly—be tr...
Bill Butler (Glasgow Anniesland) (Lab) Lab
I am deputy convener of the Justice Committee and I place on record my sincere thanks to the clerking team, the Scottish Parliament information centre and th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Trish Godman) Lab
We move to wind-up speeches. 16:30
Mike Pringle (Edinburgh South) (LD) LD
I feel perhaps a little outnumbered as someone who is not a lawyer, but it must be a positive thing that a number of ex-lawyers are so involved in the debate.
Bill Aitken Con
Let me clarify that I am not a lawyer and am most certainly not rich.
Mike Pringle LD
I was not implying that all lawyers are rich or that the convener of the Justice Committee is a lawyer. I understand that, like me, he was a magistrate at on...
David McLetchie Con
The debate, which has been interesting, has reflected many of the divisions of view that have come to light in the wider public debate and among the legal pr...
James Kelly (Glasgow Rutherglen) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to close on behalf of the Labour Party. As a member of the Justice Committee, I thank the clerks and the team at the Scottish Parli...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I thank all members for their contributions, which have been extremely useful—at times thoughtful, perceptive and coming at the issue from a large number of ...