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Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
It is my firm belief that the success of the sexual offences court depends, perhaps more than any other single aspect of the model that is set out in the bill, on the judges who are appointed to preside over cases that call in the SOC. Judges play a hugely important role in an...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I believe that, in this instance, the Faculty of Advocates is wrong. I will quote Lady Dorrian’s response to a question from the convener of the Criminal Justice Committee about whether her review group had considered specialist divisions. Lady Dorrian said: “Our view—althoug...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The amendments in this group feature a mixture of substantive and technical amendments related to the offences and cases that the sexual offences court—the SOC—will have jurisdiction to hear. My position is that the SOC should be given a broad jurisdiction to ensure that its ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
26 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I have met with Lady Dorrian on a number of occasions, and she is the biggest advocate of a stand-alone sexual offences court. She certainly—as she narrated to the committee—had some different views with regard to how some of the bill’s provisions were drafted when it was intr...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Although the overriding purpose of the sexual offences court is to improve the experience of victims and survivors in their interaction with the courts system, it is, of course, imperative that we do so without losing sight of how the reforms will impact the accused. I ther...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
This is a sensitive subject, so I will lay out in detail my position on Liam Kerr’s amendments. Although they are well intentioned, I cannot support them as they raise significant policy issues. As members have heard from Mr Kerr, amendment 129 would fundamentally alter the...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
19 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I add my thanks to members for their diligence in this area and put on the record my thanks to the many survivors whom I have met on this and other matters. The amendments seek to achieve something that we are all committed to. They seek to ensure that victims are fully suppo...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will speak to all the amendments in the group. Amendment 67, from Pauline McNeill, seeks to remove the mandatory requirement for the court to provide an opportunity for justice social work to provide information relevant to the question of bail and, instead, make that discr...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 206 responds to a recommendation of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, while amendments 204 and 205 are technical amendments. Amendment 204 amends the bill to clarify that the reference to “the High Court” in section 54(5) is to the High Court of Justici...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I have a lot to say about the amendments in group 16, but I assure the Parliament that what I have to say is important and that it relates to the amendments in this group and group 17. Ms McNeill’s amendments are, in my view, a licence to do nothing. They would only give the ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
In my remarks on the previous group of amendments, I said what I wanted to say about the creation of sexual offences courts and about my opposition to Ms McNeill’s amendments in both that group and this one, but I will take the opportunity to provide some specific detail. The...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I am not aware of a requirement to have someone on site with professional witnesses such as doctors, police officers and other experts. I would have the utmost confidence in police officers being able to give evidence to courts remotely. The Scottish Courts and Tribunals Servi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
10 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will speak to amendment 7 and the other amendments in the group. Amendment 7 seeks to address the concerns that the committee highlighted regarding the potential additional burden that might be placed on the courts by the recording requirements that are contained in section ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It might be somewhat difficult to access historical information, given the passage of time, and I want to be very up front with members on that. I can confirm for members the number of cases that are in process, and I will do that in writing tonight. In short, 19 individuals h...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
26 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
In the same way that the High Court sits the length and breadth of Scotland, the sexual offences court should sit the length and breadth of Scotland. I know that some people—certainly, some members—thought that the sexual offences court involved the construction of a stand-alo...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
26 Jan 2016
Subordinate Legislation
We looked at a broad range of information in preparing order 1. The Scottish Government publishes classifications of crimes and statistics and we looked at all that. We looked at the criminal histories system, the police national computer, offences listed in the disclosure and...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
10 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
At the risk of stating the obvious, I say to Mr Greene that it is Parliament’s job to make legislation, and legislation either gives very wide powers or places some restrictions on the decision-making powers of independent agents—in this case, for good reasons of victim and pu...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
28 Jun 2023
The 50th Anniversary of the Murder of Margaret McLaughlin
As we approach this 50th anniversary, I begin by joining others in the chamber in paying tribute to Margaret McLaughlin. As we have already heard, at the time of her murder she was a young woman aged 23, was engaged to be married and had her whole life in front of her. It is h...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will start with my own amendments in this group. The Criminal Justice Committee has given careful scrutiny to the provisions of the bill concerning national custody jurisdiction. The committee’s views were instrumental in further refinement through stage 2 amendments to make...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I will come to embedding the important principles of the interests of justice and victim and public safety in a few moments. The fundamental point is that Mr Greene, here today, at stage 3, is proposing to massively expand the court’s ability to remand, and that is a propositi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have still to make a decision as to whether the pilot—if we call it that—would take place in the sexual offences court or the High Court. Let me run through the pros and cons of both. If we want the pilot to look more at how the current system operates in the High Court, we...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
11 Jun 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The bill provides for virtual attendance in criminal proceedings by making permanent the legislative underpinning that has been in place since 2020. The framework for virtual attendance is, admittedly, somewhat complex, which is inevitable given that it must account for the co...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
It will be no surprise to anybody on the committee that we are living in fiscally challenging times. I will not go into the causes of that or, indeed, the solutions, because that will be part of a bigger parliamentary budget debate. The one-off cost of establishing the sexual...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
19 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will start with amendment 89, in the name of Sharon Dowey. At stage 1, the committee heard very moving testimony from victims and survivors on their experiences of the criminal justice system, sharing that they felt that they did not have enough choice in how they gave their...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Section 5 of the bill seeks to provide a new power for the court to take into account any time that an accused person spends under a relevant electronically monitored curfew condition of bail and to treat that as time served in relation to any custodial sentence. Section 5 do...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
With regard to the views or concerns that have been expressed regarding the Lord Justice General’s power to remove judges, we have listened carefully and are looking at potential amendments so that the situation is clear and unambiguous. There is an arrangement for the appoint...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The amendments in the group are on protection for victims and I am pleased that I have been able to work with members on that important issue. Even though I do not support the amendments in the name of Maggie Chapman, I welcome her continued and constructive engagement on the ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
26 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I begin by reflecting on the evidence that the committee heard at stage 1. I list just some of those who told the committee that they supported the proposal to establish a stand-alone sexual offences court: Lady Dorrian; the Lord Advocate; Lord Matthews; sheriff, now Lord, Cub...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
16 Apr 2024
Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021 (Implementation)
I would like to provide Parliament with an update on the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021. After the commentary that we have seen since the act’s commencement on 1 April—much of it misleading at best—I will take this opportunity to remind members of the act’s pu...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
23 Apr 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We will of course consider the debate in and around the jury majority with sensitivity and in depth, and we will look at all the relevant issues and engage with all the relevant stakeholders. This is an area of the bill that involves finely balanced judgments. We need to proce...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
The amendments in this group largely relate to provisions in the bill on the presumption in favour of pre-recorded evidence as it applies to the sexual offences court. They are intended to ensure that that presumption works as effectively as possible in the SOC. Together, a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
09 Sep 2015
Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exclusions and Exceptions) (Scotland) Amendment Order 2015 [Draft]
Presiding Officer, I begin by thanking you, business managers, committee conveners and members and parliamentary officials for support and co-operation in facilitating an accelerated timetable for scrutiny of the order amending the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exclusi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
We have all heard powerful personal testimony from complainers about their experiences in court, particularly in sexual offences cases. We also have Lady Dorrian’s observations from her work, in which she reflected on the commentary by the appeal courts in such cases, with reg...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
There is a cost to addressing and responding to the increasing demand caused by sexual offences cases. The figure for the sexual offences court relates to the additional costs that are specific to the proposed changes. That figure might change, depending on operational decisio...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
17 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
The core of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill is about supporting victims. I begin by recognising everyone who has been impacted by the matters that the bill seeks to address—victims, witnesses and survivors, their families, campaigners and support org...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Lifelong Learning (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
26 Jan 2016
Subordinate Legislation
I am grateful to the committee for allowing me to contribute to your discussions on the orders. I thank Parliament, the committee, officials and business managers for their support in timetabling Parliament’s consideration of the orders. Members will recall that the Governmen...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Thank you very much, convener. Good morning to colleagues. I very much appreciate the opportunity to appear before the committee at the start of its deliberations on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, which is landmark legislation. The bill puts victi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
10 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I want to continue with my previous train of thought, after which I will—I promise—explicitly address your points in relation to the Lord President, because they are important. The court is required to decide on bail on the basis of the information that is put before it in th...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 72, in the name of Katy Clark, would remove the proposed new bail test from the bill in its entirety. A similar amendment was lodged by Ms Clark at stage 2 and was debated at the Criminal Justice Committee. I cannot support the amendment. Part 1 of the bill does not...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am sure that Mr Ewing will forgive me if I resist the opportunity to get drawn into the details that the Lord Advocate has now laid out twice in parliamentary statements—and she has also answered an extensive number of questions. The one thing that I would point Mr Ewing and...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
11 Jun 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I will try to address most of those points as I proceed. If I do not, Ms McNeill will, I am sure, intervene on me again. I turn to Mr Kerr’s amendments 49 and 47, and Ms McNeill’s amendments 47 and 48, which set out new requirements for the retention of physical productions. ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
18 Dec 2024
Subordinate Legislation
The purpose of the order is to enable Police Scotland to be able to lodge extract conviction information on spent convictions at the same time as making an application for sexual harm prevention orders and sexual risk orders. Those new orders, which were introduced in March la...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
27 Sep 2023
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That provision is intended to seek clarity and certainty for complainers at the earliest opportunity and to increase people’s confidence to come forward and report offences and make complaints in the first place. We all know that the evidence is that sexual offences in particu...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
07 Oct 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
The bill aims to increase the use of modern technology in our courts through a number of measures, including permitting the use of images in lieu of physical productions. As we have heard, such practices are already happening. However, not only would such opportunities for mod...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
02 Apr 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
As I said, there is the role of the Lord Justice General in allocating individuals in specific circumstances. My final word is that we have an existing process to appoint temporary judges, and it is tried and tested. Having listened to the full range of views, we propose to r...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
10 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
We are talking about a section of the bill as introduced. I am responding to endeavours to remove that entire section from the bill. Members are entitled to lodge any amendments that they wish, but I am entitled to put forward arguments to protect the overall integrity of the ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
17 May 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Amendment 6, in the name of Katy Clark, would add proposed new section 203B to the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995 to enable the court, when passing sentence on a person who was convicted of an offence, to take account of the person’s compliance with any bail conditions...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
24 Apr 2024
Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I very much appreciate Mr Whitfield’s point, which gives me the opportunity to stress that it is not a case of us abandoning the UNCRC—far from it. As a result of the in-depth implementation work that has been pursued across Government, it has been recognised that the UNCRC re...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 54 relates to changes that I made at stage 2 about how the pre-recording of evidence of child witnesses will operate in the sexual offences court and how it currently operates in other courts under the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. Those changes removed the...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
30 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill
Thank you, Presiding Officer. In taking the bill through Parliament, I am pleased to have worked with colleagues from all parties in the chamber to ensure that the bill delivers the best possible outcome for Scottish sub-postmasters. We cannot ever fully remedy the hurt and h...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 55 is a response to a gap that I believe should be covered by the restrictions in section 274 of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995. Those restrictions prohibit the leading of evidence that relates to the sexual history or the character of complainers in sexu...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Good morning. The Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill places victims and witnesses at the heart of the system. It is informed by the experience of victims, their families and organisations that support them, as well as by independent research, cross-sector g...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
30 May 2024
Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
As I said at stage 2, I absolutely recognise the desire for those who were responsible for this unprecedented miscarriage of justice to be held to account. However, as Ms Chapman is aware, I am unable to support her amendments. The purpose of the bill is deliberately quite na...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
08 Sep 2015
Instruments subject to Affirmative Procedure
As the committee will appreciate, this is a complex area to which we had to give great thought. A murder conviction is never spent and must always be disclosed. Offences that will be in schedule 8(a) of the remedial order and offences that are in schedule A1 of the affirmati...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
03 Feb 2026
Prison Population
Throughout my tenure as justice secretary, I have taken significant steps both to strengthen our justice system and to address the rising prison population. I have also proactively kept Parliament up to date on this critical issue, and on any proposals and measures that we are...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
21 Jun 2023
Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Amendment 5, in the name of Russell Findlay, would require the court to state the grounds for the granting of bail and have those grounds entered into the record of proceedings. Section 4 of the bill, as introduced, required the court to state and record the grounds and reaso...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
11 Jun 2025
Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
In every circumstance in which remote evidence is used, it is delivered in a way that is consistent with the solemnity and integrity of court proceedings. As the Crown Office set out in its evidence, “Professional witnesses are sent additional information on what is expected ...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
09 May 2023
Trauma-informed Justice for Victims and Witnesses
The member raises an important point about the quality and frequency of engagement with victims throughout their justice journey. He may be aware that an independent review of the victim notification scheme is currently under way. I am hopeful that that will report back to all...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
07 Feb 2024
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
That detail will be worked through with experts in sexual offences cases and trauma-informed practice, as well as with the courts, which will have to ensure that all participating parties in the new sexual offences court have undertaken the requisite training. The point about ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
19 Mar 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
I support the intention behind amendment 240, which seeks to expand victims’ ability to have their voices heard by the court by making an impact statement about how a crime has affected them physically, emotionally and financially. A previous consultation was carried out on th...
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Criminal Justice Committee 02 April 2025

02 Apr 2025 · S6 · Criminal Justice Committee
Item of business
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

It is my firm belief that the success of the sexual offences court depends, perhaps more than any other single aspect of the model that is set out in the bill, on the judges who are appointed to preside over cases that call in the SOC. Judges play a hugely important role in any court, but that role will be particularly pronounced in the SOC. Judges will set the tone and culture of the SOC and will be responsible for embedding the specialist trauma-informed practices and procedures that will be central to improving our approach to the treatment of sexual offences cases and the complainers involved.

Given that important role, it is imperative that we maximise the court’s ability to take full advantage of the pool of experienced and trauma-informed judges who have the commitment and specialism to make the SOC a success. Of course, the judges must be allowed to exercise the full powers of their office without fear or favour.

We must have processes for appointing and removing judges of the sexual offences court that strike the correct balance between rigour and proportionality. By that, I mean that appropriate safeguards must be in place to ensure that a sufficient number of judges are appointed and that those judges are, and continue to be, the right people to preside over cases in the sexual offences court.

Provisions in the bill at introduction gave the Lord Justice General a broad power to remove judges of the sexual offences court, provided that the Lord Justice General had consulted with the Lord Justice Clerk and the president of the sexual offences court in advance. During stage 1, it was suggested that that power could undermine the security of tenure of judges, which could ultimately impact on the independence of judicial decision making. That resulted in a stage 1 recommendation from the committee that amendments be lodged at stage 2 to adjust the process for removing judges of the sexual offences court. In my response to the stage 1 report, I committed to doing that, and I indicated my intention to review the process for appointing judges to ensure that there is an appropriate balance.

Before setting out the substance of the amendments, I want to be clear with the committee on what they do not change about the appointments process. It will remain the case that judges of the sexual offences court can be appointed only from among those who hold substantive judicial office as a High Court or temporary judge, sheriff principal or sheriff, and that their role as judge in the SOC will continue to be contingent on their holding that substantive office. Additionally, my amendments will not change the requirement that only those who have completed a course of approved training in trauma-informed practice in sexual offences cases can be appointed to sit in the SOC.

I turn to the amendments. Taking up the committee’s recommendation, the amendments remove the power of appointment from the Lord Justice General and establish distinct processes for appointing those who currently have rights to preside over High Court cases and those who currently have rights to preside over sheriff court cases. Amendments 184 and 195 will mean that all those who hold judicial office as a High Court or temporary judge are automatically appointed to the role of judge of the sexual offences court, provided that they have completed the necessary training in trauma-informed practice.

That approach recognises that those judges already preside over cases that involve the most serious offences that are heard in our courts, including rape and murder, and that they have the necessary associated sentencing powers when they do so. Putting it beyond doubt that those judges will be able to sit in the SOC underscores the status of the SOC and the seriousness and gravity of the crimes that it will consider.

The process for appointing sheriffs and sheriffs principal, as modified by amendments 185 to 193 and 196, is closely modelled on the process for appointing temporary judges under the Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008. The Scottish ministers will be responsible for appointing sheriffs and sheriffs principal to the role of judge of the sexual offences court, based on the recommendation of the Lord Justice General.

Individuals will be appointed to sit in the court for a period of five years and will be automatically reappointed unless specific exceptions apply. Individuals can be appointed only if they have completed a necessary course of training in trauma-informed practice in sexual offence cases and the Lord Justice General considers that they have the skills and experience to hold office as a judge of the sexual offences court.

The temporary judge appointment process has been an effective and proportionate mechanism for giving sheriffs the additional responsibilities and sentencing powers that are associated with that office. We continue to engage with partners to ensure that the appointments process strikes the right balance between rigour and proportionality that I spoke about earlier, so that the approach will prove effective at ensuring that the SOC can access and take advantage of the talent and commitment in the Scottish judiciary.

Amendments 229 to 232 respond directly to the concerns that the committee raised regarding the process for removing judges of the sexual offences court. The amendments remove provisions in the bill that give the Lord Justice General the power to remove judges of the sexual offences court and, instead, tie that process to removal from the judges’ substantive office.

Under existing legislation, High Court and temporary judges, sheriffs principal and sheriffs can be removed from office only by the First Minister, following the recommendation of a Fitness for Judicial Office Tribunal. That provides an established safeguard against unfair dismissal and provides security of tenure for judges.

As provisions require that a judge of the sexual offences court holds that position only by virtue of their substantive office, it is therefore unnecessary to have provisions in the bill that create specific powers to remove judges of the sexual offences court from that office. Instead, the approach adopted through the amendments is to rely on the existing, long-standing and fair Fitness for Judicial Office Tribunal process related to their substantive post, so that if they are removed from that office, they also cease to be a judge of the sexual offences court.

Amendments 230 and 232 also make it clear that the conduct of an individual while sitting as a judge of the sexual offences court can be taken into account in a Fitness for Judicial Office Tribunal for their substantive post and can, in fact, trigger commencement of a tribunal.

Amendment 197 gives the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service the power to pay expenses to judges of the sexual offences court in connection with expenses incurred in fulfilling that office. The amendment also enables the Scottish ministers to make bespoke arrangements for paying judges of the sexual offences court.

That is an enabling power, similar to that provided for in the legislation relating to temporary judges. I consider that it is important for the Scottish ministers to have that power and the flexibility that it provides to ensure that the SOC works as it should and that the framework that establishes it is future proofed to account for changing circumstances.

We will, of course, hear directly from Pauline McNeill on her amendment 270. Following our discussions, I believe that it is designed to address her concerns that moving rape cases to the sexual offences court somehow constitutes a downgrading of rape. However, I have profound concerns about the amendment, which would, in effect, not enable the sexual offences court to function as intended.

In considering the amendment, I encourage members to reflect on the evidence at stage 1. The victims and survivors who spoke to you were not concerned about the status of the SOC nor about the title of the judge appointed to preside over their case. Victims and survivors told us that what they care about is how their case is managed by the court system and that they are treated in a way that recognises and responds to the trauma that they have experienced.

Although senators may be the most senior cohort of judges, sheriffs sitting as temporary judges already preside over rape cases in the High Court, where, as Lady Dorrian told us,

“they do a very good job indeed”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 10 January; c 13.]

There are a great number of sheriffs with many years of experience presiding over sexual offences cases. The positive impact of that expertise and experience would be substantially diminished if sheriffs and temporary judges were to be prohibited from presiding over rape cases in the SOC.

By placing restrictions on which judges can preside over certain offences, amendment 270 impinges on the capacity of the Lord Justice General to deploy the most suitable and effective judges to preside over the cases that are indicted to the SOC. In doing so, it prioritises adherence to existing hierarchies over and above good practice in the management of rape cases. In my view, that would not be to the benefit of victims. In addition, amendment 270 would present significant operational challenges for the SOC.

Prohibiting temporary judges from presiding over rape cases would fatally undermine the ability of the SOC to deal with the cases that will be indicted to it, let alone provide a sustainable model for the management of those cases moving forward. Temporary judges play a crucial role in managing the business of the High Court, including the many rape cases that are indicted to it. By excluding those who hold office as a temporary judge from presiding over rape cases in the sexual offences court, amendment 270 would lead to a substantial reduction in the judicial resource available to manage the current volume of rape cases. There would simply not be enough judges to deal with the SOC’s case load.

I ask the committee to support my amendments.

I move amendment 184.

In the same item of business

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The Convener SNP
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Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Convener SNP
I call the cabinet secretary to speak to amendment 180 and other amendments in the group.
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
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The Convener SNP
If no other member wishes to speak, I invite Pauline McNeill to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 157.
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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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You may remember that, in relation to a previous set of my amendments, I said that the same approach could be achieved by having a sexual offences division o...
Liam Kerr Con
Yes.
Pauline McNeill Lab
You can achieve the same thing. A High Court judge—Lord Bracadale, for example—who sits in the High Court could sit in a newly created sexual offences court ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I understand what you are saying, and I totally agree with that. I am now a bit confused about whether you approve of the setting up of a sexual offences cou...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I will rehearse the same argument as I rehearsed last week. I do believe that there should be a specialist element but, as I have argued from the beginning, ...
Rona Mackay SNP
I will repeat what I said last week. I understand your argument, but I do not think that anything different will happen unless the new court is set up, becau...
Pauline McNeill Lab
It is clearly a difference of opinion about how to achieve the same end. I feel as though I am arguing something that was part of last week’s debate—what I a...
Liam Kerr Con
I do not think that you are taking up too much time. This is really interesting, and it is clear that your colleagues are trying to get to the bottom of what...
Pauline McNeill Lab
Yes—that is exactly right.
Liam Kerr Con
Great—thank you.
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Pauline McNeill Lab
Yes.
Katy Clark Lab
The cabinet secretary spoke about hierarchy as a negative—she said that we should not have a hierarchy. As Pauline McNeill knows, at the moment, the people w...
Angela Constance SNP
Will the member give way?
Katy Clark Lab
I am actually making an intervention on Pauline McNeill. I will hand back to her.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I am happy to give way to the cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP
I reiterate the point that sheriffs and sheriffs principal sit as temporary judges, so they currently preside over rape cases in the High Court.
Katy Clark Lab
They are sitting as temporary judges and they have been certified for that purpose. Our understanding is that the proposed sexual offences court would have a...
Pauline McNeill Lab
I agree. On the question of hierarchy versus practicalities, it is possible to get both. As I have said, the specialist nature of a sexual offences court can...
The Convener SNP
The question is, that amendment 69 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener SNP
There will be a division. For Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab) Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con) Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con) McNeill, Pau...
The Convener SNP
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 4, Abstentions 0. As convener, I use my casting vote to vote against the amendment. Amendment 69 disagreed to...