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The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Thank you, and good morning. I am very grateful to the committee for allowing me to make a short statement, so that I can put on public record the apology that I gave privately to Alexis Jay for the fact that there has been so much focus not on her eminent work or on the subst...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
06 Jan 2026
Ministerial Statement
Thank you for the opportunity to make this statement today. On 16 September last year, during stage 3 of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, I made remarks that referenced the position of Professor Alexis Jay. What I said during that debate has been th...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I will certainly consider that. If I may, I will perhaps explain my thinking at the time about why I did not adjust the Official Report. I will then address the point that you are making about the here and now. At the time that I received Professor Jay’s letter, I did not, as...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Yes. I had asked to make a private call to Professor Jay. I did so. I thanked her for taking the call, because I requested it. It was entirely up to Professor Jay whether she accepted the call. At the time, I was strongly of the view that I owed Professor Jay a professional ap...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am conscious that everything has to be on the record. As I said, I do not have the ministerial code in front of me. It was important to me to make a personal call and a personal apology to Alexis Jay. The call was, of course, about comments that I had made as the cabinet sec...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am confident that I have always said, and tried to convey, that, at the end of the day, we are all responsible: we all have—each and every minister has—a shared responsibility. In my view, it is clear where responsibility for particular aspects lies. For MSPs and Opposition...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
16 Sep 2025
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
It is important that we get the right type of data, and that work is of course under way. Is Mr Kerr aware of the work led by Professor Alexis Jay, who was the chair of an independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales and who currently sits on our national ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
01 Oct 2025
Crime and Policing Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)
Criminal child exploitation and cuckooing have been a frequent topic of consideration at the serious organised crime task force, which I chair, along with the Lord Advocate. I am quite sure that the committee is aware of the work that was commissioned by Action for Children on...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
28 Oct 2025
Urgent Question · Exploitation Networks (Children and Vulnerable Adults)
It is important that we focus on the facts. As Mr Kerr knows—because I specifically wrote to him on the matter—the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill was not the right route. As he well knows, the Government has always been clear that we are prepared to giv...
Angela Constance SNP Chamber
03 Dec 2025
Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse
We have taken advice from Alexis Jay and from the national child sexual abuse and exploitation strategic group. We are looking at the work that Police Scotland is doing. The view that is coming back is that right now we need to do work to get a more comprehensive picture in or...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP Chamber
18 Dec 2025
Point of Order
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I made a point of order yesterday to inform you and members that I had written to the editor of the official report to seek to update the parliamentary record to clarify the context of remarks that I made at stage 3 of the Victims, Witnesses, and...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I always try very hard to be sensitive and compassionate and to take on board the views of all victims. I would never for a minute deny victims the opportunity to speak to their truth. You will, of course, appreciate that, in this role and in my previous roles, I have engaged...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am very respectful of the views of the victims whose comments you have read out. It grieves me if I have done or said anything that causes distress to anyone, not least victims. However, in my day-to-day work, I have had many hard conversations with victims, and some of tho...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I can certainly look at if and how that can be done. I am conscious—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I recognise that, convener. As I would with any committee, I will seek to give a speedy response.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I cannot answer the specific nature of your question. Obviously, I have been a parliamentarian for a long time now, and I certainly considered that when I received Professor Jay’s letter. As is the norm with correspondence in relation to which further advice or information is ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
The quote was in a briefing note that I had. I do not know whether it was officials or special advisers who wrote it. Of course, there was a bill team that was supporting me with a large landmark piece of legislation. Any briefing pack is divided into the groupings for debate....
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am not sure that my officials will be able to answer that.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I was calling as an individual. I am not quite sure—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
It was in relation to quotes that I had given as cabinet secretary.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Yes.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
There were no officials on the call. It was a private call.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Yes, it was.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
As you say, I was calling as a result of comments that I had made as cabinet secretary. I wrote up a note, and I have provided that to my office.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I wrote it up that day, and I would have sent it to the office either that day or the next day. I would have to check.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I do not know, Mr Ross. I do not actually know what information you asked for in the freedom of information request.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Okay. Well, forgive me.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am aware of the ministerial code.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I do not have it in front of me.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Because I had asked to make a private call.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I do not think so. No, I do not.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I had contacted her about—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Forgive me.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Of course.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
It was a note of a meeting as opposed to correspondence, although I do not want to get into semantics. If you or any other committee members have outstanding issues, I will ensure that a timeous response is provided.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I think that my position and reasoning are clear, Mr Rennie. As I intimated in my opening remarks, I accept that there should have been an earlier intervention by me to ensure that all information that people were requesting was available. It is unsatisfactory that information...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I have had considerable time to reflect on all matters, as you would expect any minister to always reflect on their actions. The basis of my position has not changed—what I said was a correct quote and Professor Jay was seeking clarification. However, while my position on what...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am conscious that, today, it is me who is at committee. We are all entitled to speak to events as we see them.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am always very respectful of other people’s views, Mr Rennie, and I try my best to understand things from the perspectives of others, not least victims and witnesses.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I have made some additional remarks today—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I do not think that they are contradictory. I do not accept that.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
As you say, when Mr Kerr spoke to amendments 30 to 32, he was reflective and he made some detailed remarks. He spoke to the work of the Casey review in England and Wales. I made the remark on the public record, in response to a subsequent supplementary to an urgent question th...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
The issue of a grooming inquiry has become extremely politicised. It is regrettable that others have mischaracterised what that vote in Parliament was about. I am aware that a piece of social media was circulated that listed MSPs and claimed that they had voted against a groom...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
The quote was accurate—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
—and, of course, Professor Jay exercises her right, which I absolutely respect, in providing additional context to it. She was seeking clarity—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I do not imagine that there is a parliamentarian in this place who does not look back at how they have expressed themselves. Could I have expressed myself differently? I am quite sure that I could have, but the quote was accurate.
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
As Mr Kidd says, child protection is led by my colleagues in education. However, it is a cross-Government endeavour in the same way that we have a cross-Government mission to tackle child poverty, for example. Every minister has a responsibility for the protection of children,...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
In the real world, the protection of our children is multidisciplinary, and there are joint investigations between police and social work. I led on child protection when I was the children’s minister a long time ago, and I had the ultimate responsibility for it when I was Cabi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
You can see the value that work in justice brings to this if you look at, for example, online harms. We will have a debate in Parliament this afternoon on cybersecurity and the threats in that area. There are threats to the protection of children, but there are also other impl...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Throughout the bill process, there was extensive engagement with victims and victim support organisations. In fact, many of the reforms in the bill were the result of campaigns and endeavours by very brave victims who were able to speak about their experience publicly. Many vi...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I meet victims and survivors and their families very regularly. This week, I met families who had lost loved ones who had died in custody, in the care of the state. I am a great believer in people being able to express their truth and to speak truth to power. However, I have ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
While I would be—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Not that I recall. I will go back and check, but I do not recall—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
I am not saying that. I am saying that I do not recall having any specific discussions with Jenny Gilruth about Mr Kerr’s amendment. I restate that the amendment was not about the establishment of a grooming gangs inquiry. Officials—and, in particular, a bill team—will, of cou...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
—but it is important that we are clear about what the amendments to the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill were about—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
In terms of—
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Yes, that is a Government decision. I was talking about when Opposition members lodge amendments to a bill. As a hypothetical example, I might look at an amendment and say, “Well, that’s got nothing to do with this bill—that’s not the bill’s purpose”, but which amendments are ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
There are two strands to that work. We have committed resource, and committed to a timeline, with regard to the provision of independent legal advice. That is different from the provision for independent legal representation in the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotl...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
That will be one of the earlier pieces of work with which we will proceed. I would have to get back to you on that, but it will be one of the earliest. The first provision in the bill to be enacted will be the abolition of the not proven verdict. Work on that is being led in ...
Angela Constance SNP Committee
17 Dec 2025
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs
Legal aid is in need of reform—I am not going to demur from expressing that view for one second. The legal aid budget is demand led, so, if people are currently entitled to legal aid, the cost of that must be met. In comparison with other jurisdictions, we have a generous syst...
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Education, Children and Young People Committee 17 December 2025

17 Dec 2025 · S6 · Education, Children and Young People Committee
Item of business
Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Thank you, and good morning. I am very grateful to the committee for allowing me to make a short statement, so that I can put on public record the apology that I gave privately to Alexis Jay for the fact that there has been so much focus not on her eminent work or on the substance of child protection, but on remarks that I made in the chamber. It was never my intention for Professor Jay to be the subject of so much intrusion and attention, and I very much regret that.

With regard to Liam Kerr’s urgent question on 19 November, I unfortunately could not attend chamber, due to being away from Parliament on Scottish Government business, so another minister had to reply. On reflection, I should have written to Mr Kerr and provided then the information that has been provided since.

I wrote to Mr Kerr twice in relation to two of his stage 3 amendments to the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill—which, incidentally, I am very proud of—to explain why I could not support those amendments. Work led by experts was already on-going, through the national child sexual abuse and exploitation strategic group and Police Scotland’s review of historical and existing cases. The research that he proposed, which was to be undertaken, within three years, by a commissioner who had yet to be established or appointed, would have been a duplication of that work. I repeated that argument in the grouping debate on 16 September.

In a later intervention on Mr Kerr regarding data, I quoted what Professor Alexis Jay said in an interview in January with BBC Radio 4. I did not state that Professor Jay was commenting on Liam Kerr’s amendments; I was making a general point on Professor Jay’s views on calls for further inquiries.

As the committee will be aware from reading the Official Report, I started by saying:

“Is Mr Kerr aware of the work led by Professor Alexis Jay, who was the chair of an independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales and who currently sits on our national strategic group? She shares my view and has put on the record and stated to the media that she does not support further inquiries into child sexual abuse and exploitation, given the significant time and resource already spent in the review that she led, the Casey audit and other reviews. She says that it is now time that

‘people should just get on with it’.”—[Official Report, 16 September 2025; c 31.]

Professor Jay wrote to me on 26 September, noting that, although I had correctly quoted her, her comments were made in the context of a public inquiry in England and Wales, not Liam Kerr’s amendment. She said that

“the Scottish Government should urgently take steps to establish reliable data”

and that she had already been in discussions with officials about how that might be achieved. She also asked for her position to be clarified.

Officials contacted Professor Jay on 3 October, proposing to do that at the meeting of the strategic group that was scheduled for 8 October and noting that minutes of such meetings are published. Professor Jay responded on 6 October, agreeing to that. That was done as planned, and the minutes were published on 18 November.

I conclude by addressing the most important people in all of this, who are the victims. I have been driven in my work by the experiences of victims, who must have their voices heard. That is why I established what is now the Scottish child abuse inquiry with the education secretary and why I took forward the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Act 2025.

Although the focus of some in the past few weeks has been on the way in which I quoted Professor Jay, I hope that, after today—I note that the education secretary will make a statement this afternoon—attention can rightly turn to victims and survivors and the work that we all need to do together to protect our children.

In the same item of business

The Convener Con
The next item on our agenda is to take evidence from Professor Alexis Jay, independent chair of the national strategic group on child sexual abuse. Following...
Professor Alexis Jay CBE (National Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation Strategic Group)
It is relatively easy to answer your first question: not enough is known about the situation of child sexual exploitation in Scotland. That is, of course, si...
The Convener Con
You mentioned the data. What quantity and quality of data is available at the moment? Is that a major barrier to making progress here?
Professor Jay
Yes, it is. It is a major barrier anywhere. I have no information that suggests that Scotland is worse than England and Wales, but we simply do not know. Ind...
The Convener Con
You mentioned your review and the recommendations. Those were for England and Wales, but one of the recommendations was for mandatory reporting. Where are we...
Professor Jay
I do not speak for the Scottish Government, but I can say that the national strategic group, of which, in my new role, I am independent chair, is in the proc...
The Convener Con
Why do we not have mandatory reporting? Why is there a sub-group? That seems to be delaying the implementation further when you made a clear recommendation t...
Professor Jay
I do not have an answer for that. We spent a great deal of time in the public inquiry looking at the models that have been in operation elsewhere for several...
The Convener Con
That is helpful. Professor Jay, you will also be aware that a quote you gave in January of this year was used in the chamber by the Cabinet Secretary for Ju...
Professor Jay
I wanted accessible clarification, which is one of the reasons why, rather than have a response directly from Ms Constance, I opted for it to be contained in...
The Convener Con
There is a process. If the Official Report were amended in the same way as the minutes of the advisory group, would you welcome that?
Professor Jay
Yes, I would.
The Convener Con
We have seen in your correspondence that there has been a lot of dialogue. You raised your concerns on, I think, 26 September but were still raising concerns...
Professor Jay
Yes, but let me be clear about why I did that in November. It was because, at that stage, I was being pressed by various media contacts to publish the commun...
The Convener Con
It is all now published. We are grateful for that and for your coming to the meeting. We have a lot of members on the committee, so I will now move to ques...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Good morning, Professor Jay. Thank you so much for taking the time to come along at such short notice. I will ask you a couple of questions about the strateg...
Professor Jay
The national strategic group has been in existence for—I am trying to remember precisely—approximately two years and was not initially independently chaired....
Jackie Dunbar SNP
What do you see as the strategic group’s purpose moving forward? You said that there will be sub-groups—will there be a main group and then sub-groups in whi...
Professor Jay
I am still to talk to the members about that because, although it will not be the group’s first meeting, the meeting in January will be the first that I have...
Jackie Dunbar SNP
Thank you.
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Thanks for joining us, Professor Jay. I do not want to dwell too much on the quote issue, but it would be useful to ask for one point of clarification. You h...
Professor Jay
Simply, I opted for that to be included. At the next meeting of the group, it was not discussed; it was noted that a correction was to be made to the statement.
Ross Greer Green
Grand. So it was mentioned at a meeting as well as in the minutes.
Professor Jay
It was actually the first item at the next meeting after the debate.
Ross Greer Green
That is very helpful—thanks. More importantly, I am interested in what we can and should do right now, because your strategic group will undertake a huge am...
Professor Jay
I should have mentioned earlier that data is the most important aspect of this phase in getting an accurate picture of what is happening. It is difficult to ...
Ross Greer Green
I would like to clarify something briefly—I am conscious of the time. Is it your understanding that the Police Scotland review of historical cases is a syste...
Professor Jay
I am afraid that I cannot answer that. I do not know about the detail of how the review is going to operate.
Ross Greer Green
That is not a problem—we can write to Police Scotland in the new year.
The Convener Con
Professor Jay, on Mr Greer’s opening question about the clarification in the group minutes, did that suggestion come from you? Did you think that that would ...