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Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
14 Mar 2024
Addressing Child Poverty Through Parental Employment
I, too, thank the committee clerks for their diligent work in drafting such a comprehensive report and all those who supported the inquiry. The Scottish Conservatives believe that the best way to tackle child poverty is to ensure that parents are in paid employment and earnin...
Roz McCall Con Committee
14 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I note that the remit of the inquiry is child poverty and parental employment. I whole-heartedly accept the child poverty aspect, but with parental employment, as much as we need to monitor what is happening in that respect, we must also ensure that there is a long-term proces...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
05 Sep 2024
Programme for Government 2024-25 (Eradicating Child Poverty)
Yes, I accept that that came up in committee. Again, I raise the point that we must be careful that we are not just looking at how we move across an arbitrary line. However, I accept that there needs to be more work and analysis. As with all things, especially in government, ...
Roz McCall Con Committee
14 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
It is very important to me that active change is made. I want to highlight the Government’s employment offer to support 12,000 parents into work and achieve a 2 per cent reduction in child poverty by 2026. How is the impact of that employment offer being evaluated, given that ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Committee
21 Sep 2023
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Good morning. The regulations as laid provide for full-time young carers in non-advanced education to access carer support payment in exceptional circumstances, such as when they have no parental support. Is that sufficient? Does the eligibility need to be widened? One of my...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
04 Jun 2024
Child Poverty
The cabinet secretary will be aware that supporting more parents to access employment is a tried and tested route out of poverty, but it is sadly lacking from the statement, with only a brief comment about employability services, which this Government has cut to the tune of £5...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
05 Nov 2024
One Parent Families Scotland (80th Anniversary)
I, too, thank Karen Adam for bringing the debate to the chamber and for making such an honest and frank opening speech. I congratulate One Parent Families Scotland on its 80th anniversary. We have just heard from Ms Adam a fantastic overview of what that organisation does. It...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
23 Apr 2025
United Kingdom Government Welfare Reforms
I am pleased to speak in the debate, and I will direct my remarks to the Scottish Conservative amendment, in the name of Liz Smith. The amendment correctly highlights the concerns of the Office for Budget Responsibility and the Scottish Fiscal Commission “about the projected...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
10 Sep 2025
Scotland’s Finances
My passion is the outcomes for Scottish children; that is, providing a positive future and ensuring an education that encourages knowledge and allows children to be children. What is essential to achieving such outcomes for our children? I would go as far as stating that, to a...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I want to ask both Pauls this question, if that is okay, and I would be happy if Mick Hogg wanted to come in at any point. What are the key challenges in delivering the vision of a national transport strategy? How will that work as a long-term process and not just as an immed...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Thank you.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Mick, I want to come back to the three factors that you highlighted. First, you talked about affordability and individual circumstances. I do not know whether you have information from your members on the balance in that respect, but is affordability the main concern, or is it...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I am new to all this, so, just to sum up, are you saying that the other issues would solve themselves if we could fix affordability?
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Thank you.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
That is very helpful.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I am sorry; I am writing so many notes that I am not quite as organised as I should be. Here we are. The fair fares review is currently under way. What would you like to be recommended on concessionary travel? I will have to ask all three of you, as I am in a new situation; ...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I apologise, James. I believe that Lothian Buses has done something similar to what is happening down south by introducing a £4.80 daily cap on its bus fares. Is that working? I know that that model is slightly different, but could that work? Has that been considered? What ar...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
And that is more plausible than the other capping scheme that you were talking about.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Thank you—and apologies again to James Dornan.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Thanks for clarifying that. I will now let James Dornan back in.
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
You are talking about a specific example just outside Aberdeen, which sounds great and certainly goes with the other evidence that you have given us today about fitting transport into people’s lives, because it is a bit more user friendly. Your concern was that the funding sto...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Just to make sure that I have got this right, you are saying that, within the remit of our inquiry, which is about getting parents back into work and looking at child poverty, this is an avenue that might work, as long as the funding process is there.
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Committee
14 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
Thank you for coming to talk to us, minister. You know what I am going to raise. We have had Barnett consequentials for rural that did not make it to rural, and we have had Barnett consequentials for swimming pools that did not quite make it to swimming pools, so you can under...
Roz McCall Con Committee
14 Sep 2023
Child Poverty and Parental Employment Inquiry
I really appreciate the cabinet secretary coming back on that point, and I understand that, but we have specific Barnett consequentials for childcare coming through, because of the expansion programme at Westminster. I am wondering whether that will all be allocated—I want to ...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
08 May 2024
Colleges (Support)
I guess that my response to that should be to ask when, but I accept the intervention and appreciate the point. Previous decisions are, unfortunately, coming home to roost, for the SNP Government. I want to take the time to cite, from my region, one example, which is the plig...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
11 Jun 2024
Child Poverty
I note the motion and the Scottish Conservatives’ amendment, and it is to that amendment that I wish to direct my remarks. I also note the First Minister’s opening remarks. In that vein, I will highlight a couple of avenues towards eradicating child poverty that I believe may ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
05 Feb 2025
Addressing Child Poverty through Education
I am pleased to close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. The SNP promised to transform Scottish education; it was their number one priority for many years. The language may have changed from, “Judge me on my record in education” and “Closing the attainment gap,” to, “Ad...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
17 Jun 2025
Child Poverty
Access to affordable good-quality childcare is essential to supporting parents back into work. That was highlighted in a Social Justice and Social Security Committee report last year, and it is a recognised route out of poverty. The progress report highlights the recruitment o...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
12 Mar 2026
Tackling Child Poverty Delivery Plan
I welcome the focus on parental employment. As the cabinet secretary will know, I have been asking for that focus for the past four years, so I am happy to see that the cabinet secretary has finally taken my advice.The statement highlights that today’s announcements build on a...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
18 Apr 2024
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
I begin my contribution this afternoon by congratulating Mark Griffin on getting his bill to stage 1. I have met Mark Griffin in relation to the topic and I know how passionate he is about it. We could all hear that in his speech. I understand that the process can be somewhat ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Feb 2026
Childcare Support for Parents
I thank members from across the chamber for supporting my motion to allow this debate to take place. It is on a really important issue, and I am delighted that we have a chance to debate it in the final few weeks of the parliamentary session.The motion speaks to two connected ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
29 Feb 2024
Portfolio Question Time · Nursery-age Childcare Funding
The minister will be aware of a proposal in Edinburgh to phase out funded childcare in private and independent nurseries for parents who live outside the city. That will have a massively detrimental impact on my constituents in Fife who commute to Edinburgh for work. Furthermo...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
25 Nov 2025
Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
I am pleased to speak in the stage 1 debate. The bill raises profound questions about how we balance children’s rights, parental responsibilities and the practical realities of delivering education in Scottish classrooms. At the outset, I want to be absolutely clear that child...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
29 Jan 2026
Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
::I add my congratulations to Daniel Johnson on doing the wheen of work that goes into bringing a bill to this stage. I also congratulate, as many members have done today, Beth Morrison and Kate Sanger, who have also done a wheen of work. It is important to mention that it is ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
28 Feb 2024
Qualifications and Assessment
I thank every member who contributed to the debate. It is a privilege to close the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, not least because it is a rare occurrence that we are debating the substance of the education of our young people. I agree with Willie Rennie and ...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
03 Oct 2024
Portfolio Question Time · Social Security Payments (Fife)
I fundamentally believe that creating jobs and getting more people back into the workplace is the best way to tackle poverty, and I thank the cabinet secretary for highlighting job start. However, the employment rate in Fife has remained static for long periods, with almost a ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
26 Jun 2025
Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill
I rise to speak on the LCM that we have been asked to approve this afternoon. It has already been highlighted that it covers child employment, secure care and residential care. I have concerns about it, which I will briefly outline to members. At face value, the proposal to a...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
18 Nov 2025
Mossmorran Fife Ethylene Plant
The statement highlights that a vast number of people in the wider community and supply chain rely on the Fife ethylene plant for their employment. Does the First Minister have any numbers on how many people in Fife will be affected? Considering how many people will be looking...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
08 Nov 2023
Cashback for Communities
I add my support for the cashback for communities programme and for the Scottish Conservative amendment. I commend the scheme and recognise that, since 2008, it has managed to reinvest in community projects up to £130 million of the money that has been obtained through the pro...
Roz McCall Con Committee
09 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
My questions are for Dr Rushton. Thank you for the overview that you have given. I am also reasonably new, although not totally new, to my role, and this is the first time that I am getting an understanding of what it is that both bodies actually do. Having said that, I am aw...
Roz McCall Con Committee
09 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. That is very helpful. In what other ways does IIAC get the information that it needs to advise ministers? Obviously, ministers do a lot of work themselves, but in what other ways does IIAC get information?
Roz McCall Con Committee
09 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
That is very helpful. Thank you very much.
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Committee
16 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Welcome, both. I will ask both of you this question, and, on the basis of the answers that you have just given, your answers will be very informative. I will start with you, Lucy, if that is all right. Given the answer that you have just given us, and taking into considerati...
Roz McCall Con Committee
16 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. It would be fantastic if you could send in more information in relation to relevant evidence. I do not think that we would have any problem if you wanted to do that. Thank you very much. Professor Macdonald, I know that you said that you do not have any formal arra...
Roz McCall Con Committee
16 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
That was a very interesting, full and informed answer. Certainly, both answers very much focused on support. What are your opinions on preventative measures that are being used in the workplace? We will hear from you the other way around this time: Professor Macdonald and the...
Roz McCall Con Committee
16 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Very briefly, Lucy, would you speak on the preventative side?
Roz McCall Con Committee
16 Nov 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Thank you.
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Committee
07 Dec 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for coming along. I want to talk about timing, which Mark Griffin has already alluded to reasonably succinctly in his opening statement. As you are aware, the Scottish Government wrote to the committee on 6 November and said that it will ...
Roz McCall Con Committee
07 Dec 2023
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Roz McCall Con Chamber
18 Apr 2024
Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1
Although I accept that, I think that there are charities that can provide additional information and I am still not sure that moving forward with this body is the right way to go. My main concern, however, centres on the fact that the bill is meant to deal with a benefit that...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
08 May 2024
Colleges (Support)
I am pleased to be able to close the debate on supporting Scotland’s colleges. Every child should have the same chance to succeed, regardless of where they are from, what school they went to or what their parents did. Education can be the single greatest leveller in our societ...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
30 Oct 2024
Schools (Funding)
No. What I am saying is that, if local authorities are looking at cutting teacher numbers, which they are, and the Government is highlighting that it is going to withhold the funds, the only thing that can be done is to make cuts elsewhere if they keep teacher numbers the same...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
26 Mar 2025
Portfolio Question Time · Long-term Economic Inactivity (Fife)
The number of registered private sector enterprises fell by 60 in 2023-24 and employment in businesses in that sector fell by almost 2,500 jobs in the same period. If we dig a little deeper, we find that Fife’s job density as a whole for the period 2018-2022 was only 0.69 job...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
03 Apr 2025
General Question Time · Childcare (Costs)
Good-quality, accessible and affordable childcare is essential to addressing child poverty and enabling parents to re-enter the workforce. Thanks to the policies of the previous Conservative Government, as has been stated, the cost of a part-time childcare place has more than ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
07 May 2025
Mental Health Awareness Week 2025
I am pleased to use members’ business time this evening to debate an ever-growing and increasingly urgent issue in our society. I thank members on all sides of the chamber for supporting my motion and enabling us to discuss these matters today. As the motion mentions, mental ...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
28 May 2025
Teaching Workforce
First, Presiding Officer, I apologise to you, Mr Rennie and the chamber for the fact that I arrived late to the debate this afternoon. I am pleased to be the closing speaker for the Conservatives in this debate, and I thank our Liberal Democrat colleagues for bringing the iss...
Roz McCall Con Chamber
30 Oct 2025
First Minister’s Question Time · Babcock (Fife)
Employers in Fife, such as Babcock, are crying out for investment in local skills to drive local growth and opportunities, but college budgets have been cut by a staggering 20 per cent over the past five years and the number of apprenticeships has sharply declined by as much a...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
18 Mar 2026
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
I put on record my thanks to the minister for the work that she has done with me and the rest of us on the amendments. I am going to speak only to my amendment in the group. I am proud to have lodged amendment 92, which would allow local authorities to provide financial suppor...
Roz McCall (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con Chamber
07 Jan 2026
Non-domestic Rates
I rise to speak on the motion because I fully agree with my colleague and friend Murdo Fraser that the matter is, indeed, urgent. The Scottish Government must act before we see many Scottish businesses fail and close, which would further add to the demise of our high streets. ...
Roz McCall Con Committee
04 Feb 2026
Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
This has already been a very interesting discussion on a subject that we have broached previously. I am very much in agreement with the concept of there being “no wrong door”, which Miles Briggs mentioned.On my amendment 98, I believe that housing should be a foundation and no...
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Meeting of the Parliament 14 March 2024

14 Mar 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Addressing Child Poverty Through Parental Employment
McCall, Roz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank the committee clerks for their diligent work in drafting such a comprehensive report and all those who supported the inquiry.

The Scottish Conservatives believe that the best way to tackle child poverty is to ensure that parents are in paid employment and earning a decent wage. It is very concerning that more than a third of children who are in poverty live in households that cannot get work, so delivering a growing economy with employment is key to tackling child poverty.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice—who, unfortunately, has just left the chamber—partially agrees with that approach, which was detailed in the Scottish Government’s response to the committee’s recommendations. She said that the Scottish Government

“recognises the importance of increasing family incomes from work and earnings as key component of achieving a balanced and sustainable approach to breaking the cycle of child poverty”.

I agree with the cabinet secretary’s statement in the same letter, in which she reaffirmed the Scottish Government’s view that

“a sustainable exit from poverty will never be just about securing and retaining a job”.

However, securing and retaining parental employment is a crucial element in addressing child poverty, and that cannot be overlooked. That is particularly important for women, and I am grateful to Close the Gap for providing its briefing ahead of today’s debate. It states:

“action to address women’s labour market inequalities is vital for tackling child poverty.”

Parents still face barriers to employment such as poor childcare provision, lack of support when re-entering education and a failing transport system. Not being able to access childcare was the most common barrier to employment that was raised in response to the committee’s call for views. For example, the Scottish Women’s Convention quoted a mother who was struggling to juggle work and childcare. She said:

“There are no childcare providers through there, so you’re constantly having to look into what family or friends are available … no women can develop in their work, or their career until their child has reached a high school age.”

Accessible, affordable and flexible childcare is essential to support parents into sustainable employment.

The “Tackling Child Poverty Delivery Plan: progress report 2022-2023” recognised the need for more accessible, flexible and high-quality childcare, and a recent review of the impact of childcare on parental poverty noted that formal childcare is an

“indispensable part of a policy toolkit”

for tackling child and in-work poverty. Unfortunately, the toolkit is missing a wrench and a couple of spanners.

I must again mention the City of Edinburgh Council’s proposal to phase out funded childcare in private and independent nurseries for parents who live outside the city. That will have a massively detrimental impact on my constituents in Fife who commute to Edinburgh for work.

I was recently informed that, because of the deferred start date for primary 1 as a result of the Give Them Time campaign, North Lanarkshire Council will not allow three-year-olds to start their funded hours the day after their third birthday. The reports that some councils are looking at cutting the provision entirely in some areas due to lack of staff are deeply worrying.

Removing parents’ ability to choose a blend of childcare provision goes against the Government’s commitment to getting it right for every child, and it actively hinders parents who want to return to work. The committee’s recommendation that the Scottish Government should

“reassess the scope to accelerate and scale up its work in this area”

and should announce

“the exact timing, hours of provision, eligibility and income thresholds”

as soon as possible is therefore an important recommendation, and one of which the cabinet secretary should take note.

The Government could make a marked difference by ensuring that there is adequate provision in proximity to places of work or learning. I suggest that, instead of making things harder for private nurseries, the Government should look at ways of increasing the number of on-site nurseries on school campuses, for example. Streamlining the funding process to ensure that the money does, indeed, follow the child would certainly give parents increased flexibility to choose the blend of childcare that is correct for them.

The Scottish Childminding Association described the decline in its workforce as follows:

“In the six years of ELC expansion, the childminding workforce has declined by 34 per cent, which means, in real terms, a loss of 1,926 childminding businesses and more than 11,000 childminding places for families.”

In undertaking its annual audit for the Scottish Government, the association looks at where authorities are as regards their childminder offer. It projected that

“those trends are set almost to double by July 2026 unless we take urgent action.”—[Official Report, Social Justice and Social Security Committee, 25 May 2023; c 4-5.]

That is a sobering thought.

I also want to use my speech to highlight the importance of the public transport options that are available and how they can be used to encourage parents back into the workforce. We need to make it possible for people to make orbital trips between suburbs without having to travel via city centres, and we must engage in joined-up thinking on more workable transport options.

I will give an example. I was approached by Fife College, which recently had to cancel a fully subscribed course on its Kirkcaldy campus simply because the time of the bus route had changed. That is not the first time that that has happened. It is surely not beyond the realms of the combined intelligence of organisations in local government, local transport and local education to ensure that they work together on processes to provide a proper, sensible solution.

I fear that, if we do not find sensible solutions, we will actively force families to stay in an imposed poverty trap in which self-worth, pride and individual achievement are sidelined by hopelessness and reliance on others. That cannot continue.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-12468, in the name of Collette Stevenson, on behalf of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, ...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
More astute members will have noticed that I am not Collette Stevenson. Collette sends her apologies; she wishes that she could lead the debate, but I am afr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I advise members that we have some time in hand for interventions. 15:00
The Minister for Energy, Just Transition and Fair Work (Gillian Martin) SNP
I thank the committee members for leading the inquiry and all those who participated in it, particularly those whom Bob Doris has mentioned around Scotland, ...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the minister agree that the cost of childcare is also contributing to that? Will she give an update on where the Government is with its expansion of fre...
Gillian Martin SNP
I will come on to speak about childcare later in my speech, but I note that Scotland has the best childcare offer. It is about how childcare is deployed at l...
John Swinney (Perthshire North) (SNP) SNP
Will the minister give way?
Gillian Martin SNP
Yes, I will.
John Swinney SNP
The minister has just made reference to the importance of childcare and transport issues being addressed. Does she accept—and is it the Government’s position...
Gillian Martin SNP
I absolutely agree with Mr Swinney on that point. As a rural MSP, he will know that that is a particular challenge in rural settings. Bob Doris mentioned an ...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Will the minister give way on that point?
Gillian Martin SNP
I will just get to the end of my point. It should not be a one-size-fits-all situation in which, if someone cannot access childcare, they have to pay for it...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Through its childcare expansion programme, the Government has created a system in which, when it comes to setting the rates, councils are both banker and com...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, when responding, please also bring your remarks to a close.
Gillian Martin SNP
I will have to wind up, but I ask Meghan Gallacher to look at how the childcare offer down in England works in comparison with the Scottish offer, which has ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Balfour!
Gillian Martin SNP
On tackling travel, I mention the investment of £370 million to provide free bus travel for more than 2 million people. It is about transport services as wel...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the organisations that have provided helpful briefings ahead of today’s debate, and I thank our committee clerks for the amount of work that they did...
John Swinney SNP
I am interested in the substance of the point that Mr Briggs and Meghan Gallacher are advancing in the debate. They are, in essence, saying that the design o...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you your time back, Miles Briggs.
Miles Briggs Con
The point that the former education secretary and Deputy First Minister also needs to understand is that the Scottish Government has created this model in wh...
John Swinney SNP
Will Miles Briggs give way?
Miles Briggs Con
I do not think that I will be able to get six minutes back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand if the member wishes to take an intervention.
Miles Briggs Con
I am happy to.
John Swinney SNP
I am interested in advancing the debate, because we have to flush out the rhetoric from the Conservatives on this question. Mr Briggs is, I think, arguing f...
Miles Briggs Con
The key thing is choice.
Meghan Gallacher Con
Will Miles Briggs give way?
Miles Briggs Con
I will.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Briefly, Meghan Gallacher.