Committee
Education, Children and Young People Committee 08 June 2022
08 Jun 2022 · S6 · Education, Children and Young People Committee
Item of business
Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry
I need to do a bit of a U-turn, because I omitted Stephanie Callaghan’s questions. It will seem as though we are stepping back a bit. Sorry, Stephanie—over to you.
In the same item of business
The Convener (Sue Webber)
Con
Good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2022 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is to take evidenc...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Con
It is almost impossible to talk about the college sector without talking about funding. It is hard to believe that, off the back of the pandemic and from a G...
The Convener
Con
We will go round the panel alphabetically; first is Stuart Brown from the Educational Institute of Scotland.
Stuart Brown (Educational Institute of Scotland)
The Further Education Lecturers Association, which is the part of the EIS that organises in the college sector, will always want more funding for further edu...
The Convener
Con
Thank you, Mr Brown. Ms Lewis, do you have something you wish to contribute?
Eve Lewis (Student Partnership in Quality Scotland)
Yes. Colleges do an amazing job in terms of providing access to education, routes into different types of work and into higher education. Students get so man...
The Convener
Con
Thank you very much, Eve. Lorcan Mullen, it is over to you now.
Lorcan Mullen (Unison Scotland)
I echo Stuart Brown’s comments. The Scottish Government has some very difficult budget choices to make, but we have been saying on the record for years that ...
The Convener
Con
Thank you to the panel. Oliver, do you have a follow-on question from anything you have heard?
Oliver Mundell
Con
Are colleges that operate in more rural and remote parts of the country getting a fair deal, and are young people, learners and those returning to education ...
The Convener
Con
As that is about students and learners, can we ask Eve Lewis to respond first?
Eve Lewis
Funding models are not within my area of expertise, but our view is that students in every part of Scotland deserve the best experience, so the funding model...
The Convener
Con
I will go round the panel. I am not getting any Rs in the chat box; I am not sure whether that means that nobody wants to respond. Perhaps I can go to Mr Brown.
Stuart Brown
Part of my answer is a reflection on the regionalisation process. Regionalisation led to a number of college mergers, with some colleges becoming significant...
The Convener
Con
Thank you very much. Is there anything further from Oliver Mundell?
Oliver Mundell
Con
No. I am happy with that.
The Convener
Con
Thank you. The next suite of questions is from my colleague Ruth Maguire.
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
SNP
Good morning to the panel. Obviously, colleges provide important access to education and routes to employment, as you have said. Will you share your reflecti...
Stuart Brown
I first want to apologise to the committee, because it seems that there is a gardener outside with a very loud piece of equipment. I apologise if that is cau...
Eve Lewis
The way in which colleges respond to the needs of learners depends on how they approach that and listen to students about their needs. In that regard, there ...
Ruth Maguire
SNP
I want to press you for an example of that good practice. It is good to hear exactly what that looks like for a student. Obviously, I acknowledge that studen...
Eve Lewis
Good practice is about how colleges work with their student bodies and make decisions in partnership with them. When colleges review what is happening in the...
Lorcan Mullen
Speaking honestly, the trade union experience will always skew more towards the poor practice and the negative examples, because that tends to be where we ar...
The Convener
Con
Mr Brown wants to come back in on that point before Ruth Maguire moves on.
Stuart Brown
I want to pick up on Eve Lewis’s point about digital delivery. I am sure that we can all understand that there is massive potential in digital delivery. Duri...
The Convener
Con
I think that Lorcan Mullen wants to come back in again as well.
Lorcan Mullen
Very briefly on the digital point, our union is not against innovation or a greater use of digital tools in education. Obviously, great work was done during ...
Ruth Maguire
SNP
On that issue of responsiveness to communities and to business and routes to work, how much influence do staff have on the choice and design of the qualifica...
Stuart Brown
That is a good question. In all honesty, the situation is inconsistent at best. One thing that regionalisation has caused and that is of major concern to the...
The Convener
Con
I notice that Eve Lewis has put an R in the chat bar. Do you want to respond to that question, Eve?